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Hi Charlie, How is your practice of 80 70 50 30 and the 70 50 20 10 seated Monk Serves Wine meditations? If 3 days brought you some in roads, 10 days in a row (if you managed to do 100 should cause something to happen with your hair! Glad you felt effects from these 2 seated Meds. they are powerful and do go well together. Fu_dog was the first to corroborate this a couple of years ago. Great that you continue with 90 60 4 50 40. Two Saturdays ago, I led my Sat. morning class in the slowest performance of this capstone meditation ever--taking 40 minutes. (We indeed reached "the speed of a shifting sand dune" at least for a little while).For the next 3 days, my body would not allow me to eat certain things that I normally like to eat. And to this day, I've stayed off of those particular foods. Such dietary self-regulation on a subconscious level is another manifestation of allostasis. Best, Sifu Terry P.S. I hope you got my PM tonight regarding discussion of blue light.

Hi Rene, Thanks for posting your very thoughtful assessment of FP Qigong based on your long experience in working with the DVD's and your following questions, which I now I have time to answer. But I will answer them in reverse order for the sake of the points of emphasis that I want to make: 2. Also, I'm very glad the FP system has been quite forgiving for minor mistakes in practice. If we count out a percentage exhalation of 1 when it is more like a 1.8, does this matter? I would think as long as we are consistent in our counts, it will still be beneficial. Perhaps I have worried a bit more in the past about distinguishing a 0.5 percentage exhale from a 0.7 percentage exhale. Your question about precision in the breath control sequences is asked like a true Ph.D., Rene! I am glad that you have discovered that the FP Qigong system is quite forgiving in mistakes made in the breathing sequences. Regardless of the breath-control sequence and FP exercise, as long as one takes a full breath between each percentage exhalation, and as long as the relative proportions of the exhalations (or ratios between each percentage exhalation) is pretty much constant and uniform, it doesn't if one exhales 7% when the formula calls for exhaling 5%. For the smallest breath counts like .5%, you don't have to worry to get that precisely. As long as it us 1/2 of however you do a 1% exhalation(!) 1. Once the blue light starts to accumulate, are there any other signposts to look out for besides this light possibly showing up on video? Would this light show up better is we use a thermal camera, even though this is more subtle than mere heat? A: The blue light is the concentrated Flying Phoenix Healing Energy--i.e. concentrated past a certain threshold where it becomes visible in one's aura. The observable blue light is indicates that the FP Healing Energy has been generated, established, cultivated, and concentrated to a certain level throughout one's body--and most importantly, that one's energy body and consciousness has become consecrated. At whatever such time that one is able to see one's aura as a fluorescent-like blue internally, in a mirrored image of oneself, and on a video recording of one's meditation, one's health, vitality, will be at a highly developed level (which I've described as subsuming a state of allostasis), that there also exists the tangible superabundance of the FP energy and the certain knowledge that it is always accessible for healing purposes. • No, I don't believe that it matters that one uses a thermal camera to record visible images of the blue light. The videotape that I used in 1991 that first captured the blue aura and blue light phenomena around Grandmaster Doo Wai was SVHS. Remember that ancient format? GM Doo Wai told us back then to just use the current video camera to record ourselves while practicing FP Qigong. We did so and were quite amazed at the time at the results. [*Also, in anticipation of inevitable requests by beginning FP practitioners and other enthusiasts, as well as skeptics, I will state here and now that I will NOT post on the internet any of the 1991 and later video footage of GM Doo Wai's visibly blue aura, of mine, or that of anyone else's--because the ensuing debate generated by non-practitioners and uninitiated will only be a waste of time and energy and distract practitioners from the business of furthering one's practice! As stated before the blue aura manifestation is simply a side effect of proper practice. As such, I suggest to all FP practitioners interested in seeing it that they video-record themselves while practicing. For years, I have demonstrated the blue auric manifestation to my students here and abroad (when they come to Los Angeles to train with me) on a spontaneous and unpredictable manner. It just happens when the occasion is right: when seeing the blue light as a side effect of proper training further motivates the student. • Oddly enough, unlike other healing energies associated with Kundalini yogas, the Flying Phoenix Healing Energy, is not a heat energy. Naturally and obviously not because its frequency is blue on spectrum. Every time I have experienced it, it occurred as having a neutral and unnoticeable temperature. ** To all FP Practitioners: Please chime in with accounts your tangible and repeatable experiences of the FP energy as to its temperature.** • It is not my custom nor intent to disclose the "signposts" or benchmarks of the Flying Phoenix Qigong's healing energy becoming visible in one's aura (on video) because doing so will take away some of the exuberant joy and natural elation that comes with the surprise when it happens. But I have described the conditions accompanying its onset the best that I can. I will also foreshadow this: When the visible blue aura manifests, one will also at some point be able to "see" the blue light internally during one's closed-eyes meditation. Besides one's own ability to see it, other people--and not even necessarily other FP practitioners--will sometimes see a FP Practitioner's internal and/or the auric blue light when they come into close proximity. That's about all I have to say about "signposts" or benchmarks of FP Energy development that hasn't already been stated in this thread. GM Doo Wai never foreshadowed anything of the FP Qigong's visible auric effects during the years that he taught me and group I had organized around him. He just showed us how to practice the FP Qigong correctly and then told us to practice it. Then he showed us how to do healing with the FP energy using acupressure and herbal lineaments. So having spilled too many beans already, I will leave it to you and to all FP practitioners out there to simply: JUST DO IT! --and enjoy the sublime, profound, and spectacular blue effects--whenever it comes and if it comes. Best, Sifu Terry Dunn www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

One of my students (of 7 years) just returned from a week-long trip to Maui and was fortunate to have had time to do these same 2 advanced MSW meditations on a beach near Hana on the far east end of the island (where I had suggested that he visit). Although in his early 30's, he was concerned about his hair health and when I told him about the rejuvenating effects of those two advanced MSW meditations on Vol.7, he moved them to the top of his practice priorities. He shared his experience with my class of qigong students at the acupuncture college this evening in L.A. and said that it was completely "off the charts" in terms of the "intensity of brain activation" and the "deepest absorption" he said he had ever experienced through any form of meditation. He was so blown away by the samadhi that he didn't mention anything about hair. Samadhi is like that: leaves you speechless because because no words can describe it. I'm sure Maui had much to do with it. But the Flying Phoenix seated MSW meditations do have their extraordinary and ineffable effects no matter where one practices them--just so long as one practices them correctly. The architect Le Corbusier described his design for the interior of the Chapel of Notre Dame du Haut at Ronchamp as "l'espace indicible" translated to mean 'ineffable space', a spiritual experience which was difficult to describe. May you all come upon such ineffable space through your FP practice! Carry On, You Wayward Sons--and Daughters--of FP! "There will be peace when you arrive; Lay your weary head to rest..." Sifu Terry Dunn www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

Hello CMPunk50, Not a stupid question. I think I might have described 8 Section Combined once during the first year of this thread in a few postings exchanged with my sihing, Sifu Garry Hearfield. Eight Sections of Energy Combined (Bot Dim Gum in Cantonese) is an extremely rare internal martial art that I learned from GM Doo Wai. It is not a Bok Fu Pai art that he inherited from his father and ancestors but a complete Kung Fu system that he learned from a monk at the Goddess of Mercy Buddhist Temple on Macao. And it has nothing to do with and has no relation to the art called "8 Brocades". While the 8 Sections combined art comes through a Buddhist tradition, GM Doo Wai stated that he is most certain that the art actually originated at Wudang because he said that it "just has that flavor and feel to it." And by "flavor and feel," he meant "alchemic flavor and feel" to it. For Eight Sections of Energy Combined is a complete martial art that cultivates what FM Doo Wai called the "hard-soft geng" (which he contested with Tai Chi's energy by describing the latter as the "smooth-round geng"), which also has the unique quality of being able to be transmitted through organic fiber like cotton and wood. The art is basically comprised of 8 very different and complex Kung Fu forms, each one cultivates a unique type of energy of "geng", and when all 8 types of energy are mastered, the Combined Energy has extraordinary qualities, to say the least. There is also a preparatory exercise that looks like a form but is not really a form, according to GM Doo Wai. The system is empowered and completed by six powerful Neikung exercises, five of which are standing moving meditations and one of which is done in "dragon drop" seated position and takes 15-20 minutes to complete. It is one of the kung fu styles briefly alluded to in the Tsui Hark movie, "Once Upon A Time in China, Part 2", starring Jet Li and Donnie Yen. 8 sections energy is depicted by Donnie Yen's character in the first encounter between Jet Li's character Wong Fei Hung and the police constable played by Donnie Yen--when he turns a large water-soaked rolled-up piece of cotton into a staff and fights WFH with it, and in the last encounter when Wong Fei Hung defeats the constable by lightly brushing a short, broken and splintered piece of bamboo across his neck. (The first scene definitely depicts BDG Energy. The last feat by WFH in the climactic battle scene can actually represent a number of internal martial arts; 8 Sections of Energy Combined is definitely one of them.) Regards, Sifu Terry Dunn www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

Hi Charlie, Sorry to take so long to respond to your post. But Mercury retrograde is the primary culprit behind the slowness. Glad to hear that the Advanced seated FP Meditations on Vol.7 surprised you with their level of energization. As I have stated throughout this thread, the Flying Phoenix is a complete SYSTEM of Qigong in which all the effects are cumulative and the more advanced exercises have greater and more profound energization and rejuvenating effects than the preceding basic ones. Also, as I've stated earlier in the thread, in the DVD series, I have presented the FP Qigong Meditations--both standing and seated--in the exact order in which I was taught by GM Doo Wai in 1991-1992. Finally, another recapitulation for those working their way up through Volumes 4, 5, and 7: as reported by Fu-Doggy about a year or so ago and confirmed by me based on my same experience since the 90's: two of the "Monk Serves Wine" mediations in Volume 7 when done back-to-back as they are presented in the DVD will sooner or later effect brain activation and will almost immediately cause a revitalization of one's hair. They are the ones with breathing sequences; 80 70 50 30 and 70 50 20 10 Both meditations have beautiful and powerful movements. All of the Volume 7 FP Mediations combined take the practitioner to deeper levels of "absorption"--i.e., absorption of At-Onement. In other words, they facilitate the experience of samadhi, which are spiritual states of consciousness. Enjoy! Sifu Terry.

Thanks for directing Ronko to "the sleeper" FP meditation on Vol. 7! I am 3/10 through teaching an accredited 20-hour "Chi Concentration" course for a semester at the best acupuncture college in Southern California (imho). 35% of the course is Tao Tan Pai Neikung (the Basic 31 meditations called "Cloud Hands" [not to be confused with the Tai Chi technique] and 65% of each class is basic FP Qigong.) I will be teaching the class "The Sleeper" next week. It is already tried, tested, and proven as an effective restful sleep-inducer. Best, Sifu Terry www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

Hello Rene, You're very welcome. And I'm so glad to hear that you got dramatic and concrete allostatic results within a day of coming back to FPCK practice. Yes, the mediative process contained in FP Qigong will modulate the sympathetic stress response by retraining the body's sympathetic nervous system to recognize what is a real physical threat that requires "flight or flight" and what is not a real threat. What does not require switching on "fight or flight" response are unreal, imagined, delusional or misperceived threats. The healing effects of FP Qigong will undo the stress caused by a hyper-sensitive or unrealistic stress response. And in the process of healing that stress to the body, the body naturally learns that the stimulus or stimuli that caused the stress response is an unreal threat. Then the nervous system "learns" not to fire that stress response again when the same stimuli occurs. Stage fright or any type of performance anxiety can be well-managed by FP qigong practice. But actually, the most effective cure for performance anxiety and all its related symptoms and behaviors is a good and competent hypnotherapy. Welcome back to FP Qigong and welcome back to the thread. Thanks for your update and glowing review of FP Qigong's latent effects that come with basic practice after a hiatus. After establishing a basic practice in FP Qigong, sometimes when you leave the FP alone and come back to it after a while makes you realize in dramatic fashion how effective it is. I've found that to be true of all of the internal arts under the Bok Fu Pai / Doo Wai Family umbrella. Enjoy your practice. Sifu Terry

Hi Charlie, Yes, doing lots and lots--i.e., infinite amounts over a long period of time--of Cloud Hands and its phase-shifted cousin in FP Long Standing Form that thou call the "cradling" is most essential to accelerate progress in Tai Chi for all practitioners--from absolute beginners to advanced adepts. My first teaching in Yang Tai Chi, Master Abraham Liu said that "in the old days, Tai Chi people would do "Wave Hands Like Clouds" in the bow stance and Wu Chi stance until it unlocked all the martial applications of Tai Chi Chuan." In so many words, "Cloud Hands" is like the Rosetta Stone", a key that unlocks almost everything. The same is true in the Bok Fu Pai family of arts. As I just recently saw a private video compendium of Tibetan Burning Palm by my Sihing, Garry Hearfield, and in it, he does Cloud Hands at every height of stance, at all speeds with all imaginable types of focus. Hope to see you again soon when you come to L.A. again. Best, Sifu Terry

Hello Ronko, So very sorry for the long delay in replying to your question. I've had a very hectic past 2 weeks with work, teaching and traveling last weekend out of town. I am still catching up. Here answers to your question (in blue): is the Tao Tan Pai Neikung available to learn ? Yes, there are several teachers of the Tao Tan Pai system besides myself. This list is not all inclusive but just to the best of my knowledge and consist of classmates and senior school brothers from the 70's and 80's: my friend and classmate Hugh Morison teaches 31 TTP Meditations ("Cloud Hands") in central L.A. on Wednesday nights. Bill Helm, Director of the Taoist Sanctuary of San Diego, is able to teach TTP, but i don't know if he currently is teaching a TTP program. Sifu Todd Takeuchi, who I think is in San Diego, CA, a senior student of Share K. Lew, teaches Tao Tan Pai and its nei kung system. My senior school brother Bruce Eichelberger, who I believe is in Arizona, is pretty fully versed in the TTP Neikung. Do you have to be trained in kung fu to learn it ? No and yes. To the learn the basic level of the TTP Neikung, the 31 basic meditations collectively called "Cloud Hands", one does NOT have to have a Kung Fu background. But it certainly helps as many of the 31 are done in horse stance and bow stance and wuchi-like positions. One can also learn the "Shen Exercises" without having a kung fu background. But again, it certain helps because all the Shen exercises are done in a horse-riding stance (ma-bu). In order to learn the more advanced levels of the TTP Neikung beyond the Shen Exercises--i.e., the 9 Flowers (or 9 Forms), the Six Stars, and the most powerful Five Dragons, one has to do the Kung Fu in order to get wholesome results from the Neikung. There may have been one exception to this general rule in my experience. Regards, Sifu Terry Dunn

Hello to all FP Chi Kung subscribers, This morning during my personal practice I did the following seated Flying Phoenix seated Meditations following my usual hour-long daily practice of an advanced Tao Tan Pai Neikung exercise and three of the five basic TTP animal Kung Fu forms--monkey, snake and crane: Advanced seated MSW with breathing 70 50 20 10 Advanced seated MSW with breathing 80 70 50 30 Advanced seated MSW with breathing 60 70 40 5 Advanced seated MSW with breathing 20 40 90 10 This sequence of advanced Monk Serves Wine Meditations caused intensely sublime energization of every cell of the body. When I opened my eyes between each exercise--i.e., between each set of 7 repetitions-- everything in my field of vision appeared in vivid, microscope detail and also "spongey" at the same time. (the above 4 exercises are all on Vol.7 of the CKFH dvd series) The seated session was followed by Advanced Flying Phoenix standing meditation Nos. 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 (not published except demo videos of Nos. 5 and 9 on Youtube). And this was followed by practice of Sections 3, 4, and 8 of Eight Sections of Energy Combined. Then, 8 hours later, my evening session consisted of: A. a 90-minute of GM William C.C. Chen's 60-part Yang Tai Chi Form and Yang sword form. B. Then 3 10,000 Buddhas (standing) Meditations (15 min. total). C. Then 90 minute practice of Liu He Ba Fa. 4 rounds at varying speeds. My teacher in this art Master Chan Ching Kai in New york, who years ago had recommended doing six rounds of the LHBF Form during each practice session. D. Red Lotus Flying Phoenix No.1 (a seated meditation form with 30 movements. ) Sifu Terry Dunn www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

Hi CMPunk50, Vol.6 was released in VHS cassette in the late 90's. but I withdrew it in 2003 or so around the time that I came out with the new DVD's vols. 1-5 and Vol.7. I had planned all along toy re-produce Vol.6, but unfortunately, due to the nasty ordeal of litigation I endured for the past 5 years at the hands of dreamworks (over Kung Fu Panda), I never got to make that version. So that's another addition to their karmic debt. If you want to read about this case, it's all at www.kungfupandalawsuit.com. And be sure to follow the links on my site to these videos on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=eat+your+panda+lachance+dreamworks --and please forward links to all your friends. These clips (1 and 2, especially) need to go viral as the third Kung Fu Panda movie will be coming out in Dec. 2015. Best, Sifu Terry Dunn

Hi Cihan, You are amazing...you're like the librarian for the FPCK tome! Thanks for your retrieval to answer Pitisukha's question. Best, Sifu Terry

Hello Aurelien, Sorry for the delay in this reply. Another very busy workweek. The change in your vision after your FP meditation sessions is quite commonly experienced. That "pixelated" effect in your field of vision indicates that your normal conditioned way of seeing is being re-conditioned. Humans are taught to see reality a certain way by the cultures they live in. FPCK and all effective meditation traditions will decondition that rigid way of seeing and simply allow you to see reality as it is--some are faster and more dramatic in their facilitation of "seeing.". I found out that my favorite is the warm up 50 30 10 =), and my BTB is improving too, it's a really good exercice for conditioning, it makes me sweat a lot. Yes, Bending the Bows is very cleansing. It is the most important of the Basic Moving FP Meditations on Volume 1. I have a private student of 7 years who is still sweating through BTB, but his form and health has improved tremendously since 2007. The operation that removed the polyp has had obviously positive effect as you said that your meditations can now proceed comfortably whereas in the past they led to feelings of heaviness and oppression. If the oppressive feelings in chest/lungs is now a thing of the past, you can now practice FP Qigong to much greater effect "by pushing the brain back to ignite the body's self-healing process", in the words of GrandmasterDoo Wai. Practicing FP Qigong in "spiritually active" locations: Your question is not really relevant to my posting several years back about practicing FP Qigong in spiritually active (i.e., haunted by angry or malevant spirits) locations. Since you attended this "shamanic gathering" for the autumn equinox last year and it was a generally positive experience, there's probably nothing wrong with doing FP Meditations while you're there. If the attendees are like-minded people just wanting to celebrate the fall equinox....FPCK will only enable you to enjoy the celebration all the more. Unless there are powerful spiritualists attending or leading this gathering, having an autumn equinox celebration does NOT make any place "spiritually active." (However, if this gathering is being held at some renowned spiritual portal or an esoterically known portal--beware that someone is not practicing occult sciences to siphon the group's energy or worse.) The basic, common-sense rule of thumb is: Do NOT practice FP Qigong or any meditative art in any place that feels unnatural, unwholesome, or uncomfortable in any way at any level. If you are attuned to perceiving and communicating with spiritual entities, you naturally do not want to be practicing FP Qigong or any meditation in a place that is haunted--where angry or malevolent spirits who make their presence known to you by physical means. (I happen to have had a kung fu classmate in the early 90's who meditated in his backyard in central L.A., which GM Doo Wai was a very bad idea because it was a very "haunted" place.) At any rate, enjoy the autumn equinox! Sifu Terry

Ok I was thumbing thru this thread and I dont know how I missed this. So this qigong lets one emit blue light!!???!!!!! If so thats so cool! My question is what does the blue light mean? At some point can it be done at will? What are some cool exps that you exp with the blue light.(ex - "I was standing in line at walmart and someone bumped into me and I started to get hot and emit blue light.") Hello JinlianPai, Welcome to the FP thread. My comments below in bold: So this qigong lets one emit blue light!!???!!!!! I would not say "emit". That term connotes in my mind, volitional control. My entire experience with FP Qigong since 1991 is that the blue light of its Healing Energy manifests of itself, whenever one is practicing the FP meditations correctly or is healing with it. And it it behaves in accord with a Greater Mind than the practitioner's. --This, too, is a profound characteristic that makes FP Qigong, a spiritual art (to continue answering Pitisukha's question in his post #3010). If so thats so cool! Once you experience the blue light--and it doesn't take all that much practice--its startling reality and consistency in its tangible healing effects is something that you will find to be a whole lot more than cool...but you'll be at a loss for words to describe it. My question is what does the blue light mean? Until you have practiced enough FP Qigong to manifest it spontaneously and effortlessly, and directly feel its effects, it has no meaning for you. And the blue light doesn't mean anything to anyone else who hasn't experienced it. Words are not things. At some point can it be done at will? by "done" if you mean manifest the visible blue healing light in one's aura or to transfer it to another person with healing effect, the answer is "Yes". What are some cool exps that you exp with the blue light.(ex - "I was standing in line at walmart and someone bumped into me and I started to get hot and emit blue light.") As I stated about 2+ years ago on this thread, one of the most delightful side-effects of the FP Qigong is that the blue healing light can not only be felt but can also be "seen" by others (who are not FP practitioners) internally--and with their eyes closed--when an FPCK adept is healing that person. -- and this is another effect that qualifies Flying Phoenix Qigong as a spiritual art. Such is Flying Phoenix Qigong's bona fide spiritual valence, which stands in blinding contrast to the wide number of mundane calisthenics published on videos these recent years deceptively labeled "Qigong" and made-up by self-proclaimed "energy experts" that do absolutely NOTHING in terms of providing healing effects that can be objectively verified, measured, and repeated (--or even subjectively "verified", no matter how hard the duped practitioner or fanatic wishes or wants to believe that he or she is healing himself with the downstream hokum they've bought into.) This is not to say that FP Qigong is the only Qigong method that effectively promotes self-healing and enables one to heal others. There are, of course, a many powerful and effective Qigong traditions equal to FP Qigong in profundity--such as Tao Tan Pai (Taoist Elixir Method), Soaring Crane, Sunn Yi Gung (of course), the Tai Chi Qigong of the Wu, Yang, and Chen styles (--the ones that I know about), and many others. I just to wish to remind everyone--especially beginners--that with just 7-9 months of consistent practice of FP Qigong (averaging 30 min. every other day), they will have under their belt an experiential frame-of-reference by which they can evaluate other Qigong, Yoga, and meditation methods from any culture and be able to tell the precious from the dross. In other words, they will have developed within themselves a most useful "Weird Shit-O-Meter" for the rest of their lives. Sifu Terry Dunn

Thank you very much, Bubbles, Oreocookie, Pitisulkha and all others for your nice birthday wishes!

Hello John, Welcome to the FPCK Thread...and sorry take so long to comment on your post. It's been a very hectic past 10 days. The pain symptoms--as well as the "clarity in the head", better sleep-- that you have described are very typical and normally experienced by beginners of FP Qigong. As you continue to practice the FP Qigong, john, you will find that the pain subsides and the energizing, brain-activating and body- rejuvenating effects become more and more pronounced. Sifu Terry Dunn

Hello Rob, Normally, the world "competition" is not relevant to progress in any type of meditative practice EXCEPT in the case of Flyng Phoenix Qigong--and then only within the context that Aurelien ("Oreocookie") uses the term: that of doing the moving FP Meditations as slowly as possible, and approaching "the speed of a shifting sand dune" per the maxim. To have a "competition" in a group practice session where every person tries to move more slowly than anyone else in the group is simply a fun and very effective tool to teach FP Qigong correctly to obtain maximum health benefits. And having observed and taught Aurelien over number of months via online Skype lessons, I can say with authority that he happens to practice FP Qigong so diligently and at such good, slow speed that he personally has nothing attached to the term "competition" other than his love of the fineries of this glorious FP Qigong system! And I want to state here loud and clear that I encourage all subscribers to this thread to participate in the Friday afternoon FP practice sessions organized by Aurelien. I review his order of practice each week before Friday and so far has found that everything that he has suggested to be most constructive and beneficial to practice. Best, Sifu Terry Dunn

Hello Pitisukha, You asked, So I'd like to ask what are the "spiritual" goals/attainments of the FP practice? I want to thank Cihan very much for again contributing his experience-based answer to your question in terms of yogic attainments through FP practice. You also asked: I mean what does the term spiritual point to in FP practice? I have described in great detail at several earlier points in this thread exactly what I mean by the spiritual benefits imparted by Flying Phoenix Qigong-- how FP Qigong is a spiritual art: 1) First, by virtue of the supra-mundane consciousness that it cultivates: FP Qigong, like any effective meditative art, purifies the human spirit to some degree simply by integrating mind and body. 2) Second, by providing conscious access to the "trunk" or the non-mundane and certainly non-ordinary channel of FP Healing energy that practitioners can access/tap into for most practical healing purposes once they cross certain thresholds of cultivation. I also want to say that wise and able teachers--hopefully, the two sifu's that you mentioned here--typically do not talk about the spiritual life facilitated by the meditative arts that they are teaching until they know that a student or seeker has had bona fide spiritual experiences and that they actually need to be talked about. Because words are not things. And talking about spirituality without DOING the Yoga, Prayer or devotion, does not impart or convey spirituality. As Carlos Castaneda put it so clearly in his second book, "A Separate Reality": A warrior learns to act like a warrior by acting, not by talking. Sifu Hearfield and I contribute to this thread to help clarify the experiences brought on by the action of doing the Flying Phoenix Qigong...so that we might provide better insight and understanding of the Universe as perceived by those who choose to clear their doors of perception using FP Qigong in my case and Sunn Yi Gong in Sifu Hearfield's case. But before we have anything worth talking about, students have to show us that they have acted, and acted well...which in the case of this thread, is simply to practice the FP Qigong corrrectly. To answer your question here again, I will say that the goal of FP Qigong practice is to perfect one's meditation so that one knows oneself and thereby knows God, and thereby personally learns how to become closer to God. That's it. That's what "spiritual" means to me: anything that enables man to know God, to become closer to God, and ultimately become one with God. And one of the easiest paths to become more godly is to heal your fellow man in a myriad of ways. Applying the Flying Phoenix Energy to heal others is one way. Teaching others to heal themselves with FP Qigong is another way. Best, Sifu Terry Dunn

Hello Protector, Don't worry, "this Dunn" won't lose it or do anythng rash or untimely. Not only have I survived 4 years of litigation ag. this movie studio and its lawyers, and filed appeals all the way to the U.S Supreme Court, but I've been living with the alleged theft (obvious as it is by the videos of Lachance posted here) since May of 2002. That's 14 years. Surviving and maintaining my work this long has been the test of spiritual tests. I have too many people relying on me to teach them The Flying Phoenix Celestial Healing Chi Kung of Taoist monk Feng Tao Teh of Ehrmeishan (created in 1644), one of 4 ancient monastic Qigong traditions that I preserve--along with Yang Tai Chi Chuan in the lineage of Cheng Man-Ching and William C.C. Chen, 3 styles of Kung Fu (Ehrmeishan White Tiger KF, Tao Tan Pai (Taoist Elixir Method) from the Tang Dynasty, and Southern Shaolin 5 Animals Kung Fu (ah, which was MY inspiration for the 5 Animal Kung Fu masters teaching my Panda named Zen-Bear). If you have any interest in authentic ancient Qigong system that works (and works almost instantly)--as to "modern" downstream hokum, visit this thread and start reading anywhere: www.thetaobums.com/topic/12639-flying-phoenix-chi-kung/ Interesting how Dreamworks' movie franchise features 5 animal masters training their fat panda--a tiger, snake, crane, monkey, and a (tiny) praying mantis--whereas the original Shaolin 5 Animals Kung Fu, of which I am a certified master--is tiger, leopard, dragon,snake and crane. And these are the 5 Animals in my registered treatments and story outlines. My lawyers and I argued at trial that Dreamworks changed and rearranged my case of protagonists and antagonists, using 8 of the 11 animals I had scripted and had professionals illustrate (better artistically than than what they came up with, btw, IMHO). And my villains were rats, yellow monkeys, hyenas all under the leadership of a giant praying mantis. So as someone posted early on, this Hollywood studio chose to strip my story elements of all the cultural narrative and insult the ancient Shaolin tradition--by making "their" 5 animals a purely Hollywood contrivance. Thanks for posting the link to that Simpsons episode about Bart and Lisa getting justice for the creator of "Itchy and Scratchy"! I saw that epis. when it aired like in 1996. I had completely forgotten about it till your posting. It was hilarious pick-me-up. I will take your posting of it as prophecy and inspiration! Thanks for your and everyone's empathy and support. Sifu Terry Dunn P.S. I won't mind if you forward these links: www.youtube/result?query=eat+your+panda+michael+lachance+dreamworks www.kungfupandalawsuit.com

JustBHappy, Thank you very much for offering your honest and very detailed impressions on Flying Phoenix Qigong and such a warm and glowing testimonial. (Give the Long Form Meditation more time and do it more slowly thane ver...it'll grow on you and become more profound.) The FP Qigong art speaks for itself in terms of efficacy, but I'm always thrilled and gratified when practitioners describe the value of the art in their very personal terms. The wonderful thing about this system is that the effects only get better with more years of practice. Best. Sifu Terry Dunn

Hello Robb, Depending on one's speed of practice, one can take anywhere from 8 minutes to 20 minutes to perform the Long Form Standing meditation taught on Volume 4. You might also want to ask "ridingthrox" on PM how long he takes because Charlie gravitated towards Vol.4 practice immediately because he had extensive Tai Chi background (20 yrs) and has been doing it for years. Enjoy the practice! Sifu Terry www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

I just had a very nice Skype exchange with Sifu Garry Hearfield and he reminded me of how--as it is true in almost all kung fu arts--that students seem to think that more and more and more advanced forms and exercises mean greater and greater development. That's true if the entire system up to that point has been established. But nothing can be gained from "advanced" exercises if the foundations of the art are not properly established. And the foundations of the Flying Phoenix Heavenly Healing Chi Meditation system are contained in the Chi Kung For Health dvd series. And as everyone who has tried them has found out, there are not that many authentic Qigong systems that can be learned to such an effective extent--with verifiable and repeatable energizing and rejuvenating effects--without the Qigong master being there in person standing next to you for 3-4 years. I've mentioned several times this year that I am still eager to hear from FP Practioners subscribing to this thread about their experiences with the the 2 Moving meditations on Vol.3 ("Wind Through Treetops" and "Moonbeam Splashes on Water") and with the capstone meditation fo the FP Qigong system, the Long Form standing meditation taught on Volume 4. I am still patiently waiting, and also ready and willing to give advice and refined instructions on that level of practice. And to emphasize how important it is to master the fundamentals of this Meditation System, I just disclosed how one should practice the very first seated "warm-up" meditation on Vol.2 (with breathing sequence 5 60 80 40 30 and involving the "tweaking" of the forearms and palms) for up to 30 minutes. For those FP practitioners with 3+ years of practice under their betls, this practice should take your practice to a whole other level of absorption and profound health. Enjoy the deeper, more healthful practice. Sifu Terry Dunn www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

No, I really can't offer any opinion about the authenticity of Golden Flying Phoenix Qigong or the video/DVD that has that title or other DVD's advertised on that website because I have never seen them and I do not know Sifu Dan Rochelle who apparently is associated with that website. In post #2979, I was writing ONLY in reference to GM Doo Wai's Youtube video condemning and disavowing his relationship to that said former student. If Golden Flying Phoenix DVD instruction contains footage of GM Doo Wai, and the grandmaster says that what he is doing is Golden Flying Phoenix, then it is what he says it is. But whether a student can learn the art from the DVD program is another issue. I did notice a disclaimer at the bottom of one of the webpages stating that the quality of the production(s) was "amature". Sifu Terry Dunn www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

Charlie, Very glad to hear that you've been tweaking your forearms regularly in seated meditation No.1 ! Best to you. Keep up good work. The forearm tweaking will refine and develop everything about your Wu-chi. Sifu Terry P.S. btw, Tweaking/Twerking = Tomato/Tomahtah www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

To the FP Community: I had the following exchange via Personal Messenger with JDR19 at the end of which John constructively asked that I post our conversation on this thread for the benefit of all--as sort of a public service announcement. It all started with my answering his last question in his posting #2892 on Page 181 of the thread. So here it is: Sent 13 August 2014 - 08:17 AM (by JDR19) a friend bragging to me that he just bought the Flying Phoenix Level 2 and Level 3 meditations from GM James Lacy (that after talking with him, he made him an personal offer with the DVDs -for a limited period of time).I started to look into that and just stumbled unto this site www.flyingphoenix.us . After skimming through it it seemed to me that those are not really the answers a student after years of training; on the FAQ page the answers were so bad.. i wonder if a 3rd grader wrote those. I've seen on this forum, you describing concepts and i was impressed how accurate and simple your descriptions were. If the owner of the site ( i don't know if it's J. Lacy or not -it doesn't matter ) would be a legit student of GM Doo Wai, than he'd know better - would be more knowledgeable. I wanted to buy those too and by the time i get a good foundations with Chi Kung for Health DVDs, to practice Level 2 and so on daily. Can you share more on the full system of Flying Phoenix? Like: how many levels there are, who teaches this system, how much it takes for every level, how much it takes to master the full system? things like that. P.S. at first i wanted to post this on the forum, but i don't want to advertise frauds ( in case it is one ) thanks in advance My reply: Zen-Bear The Tao Bums Sent 14 August 2014 - 09:53 PM I am only aware of two levels of Flying Phoenix Chi kung; The Level I put on the 6 volumes of my DVD series. And the Advanced Flying Phoenix system which crosses the line into martial qigong. It is 9 moving meditations (all standing) that looks in part similar to other internal martial arts such as Tai Chi and LHBF. the advanced FP system is taught only person-to-person. **Now there is also a set of Seated Meditations called Red Lotus Flying Phoenix, which I consider a companion art--or sort of a "sister art"--to the Monk Serves Wine series of FP seated meditations taught on Volumes 2 and 7 of my DVD series. Red Lotus FP Seated Meditations have different health effects compared to the Monk Serves Wine series of seated meditations of the FP Qigong system. I know that this may sound confusing, but that's the best that I can draw distinctions between these related arts at this time.** Outside of GM Doo Wai, who is reportedly retired, I am the only teacher of Flying Phoenix Heavenly Healing Chi Meditations (Fei Feng San Gung) art in the world. Up to this point, I have not said anything on the FPCK discussion thread about James Lacy other than the fact that GM Doo Wai has gone out of his way to vehemently publish Myspace and then Youtube videos denouncing Mr. Lacy and disavowing anything that he says or teaches as being approved by him. And effectively calling him out as a thief and a liar: I just found this latest videotape on Youtube by GM Doo Wai that makes it absolutely clear that Mr. Lacy is not authorized to teach any infinitesimal part of the Bok Fu Pai tradition, of which Flying Phoenix is a basic foundation, and that anything that Lacey has on videotape was allegedly STOLEN from GM Doo Wai, according to the grandmaster. Based entirely on and in deference to GM Doo Wai's statements in this Youtube announcement, I therefore will state at this time that I personally would not trust any publication put out by James Lacy. He might have footage of Grandmaster Doo Wai but he certainly does NOT have GM Doo Wai's approval to publish the material nor claim to be the authoritative teacher of anything related to GMDW's family martial or healing arts. Besides myself, Sifu Garry Hearfield in Australia is the only person GM Doo Wai has publicly recommended to learn his arts from. My good friend Sifu Garry is the sole preserver of GM Doo Wai's most powerful family martial arts--and stands in line, I believe, to be the next lineage holder of these arts: Bok Fu Pai Omei Mountain Bak Mei Tibetan Burning Palm System Golden Mantis Neikung Sunn Yi Gung and more. Besides Flying Phoenix Qigong, I preserve: Eight Sections of Energy Combined - a complete internal martial art 10,000 Buddhas Meditation (54 martial and health Qigong exercises) Eagle Claw Ten Hook Attack Form (one Bok Fu Pai form). and more. Sifu Terry Dunn JDR19's reply: Member Junior Bum 6 posts Gender:Male Sent 16 August 2014 - 08:29 AM here: http://thetaobums.co...i-kung/page-181 If you would be so kind and quote the last question of post #2892 and paste your response in the thread too. Maybe others will benefit from it, by knowing to avoid James Lacey. P.S. i saw your post on facebook about attaining immortality from practicing FPCHQ. Please expand more on that topic. To me seemed a little bit overestimated, but i'm no expert in the system; i don't realize how complex it is and how well structured. Keep doing what you're doing. You're changing lives Thank you for your response www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html