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Yes, Antares, absolutely nothing.

The transmission is indeed the Dao. Thank you, Si-hing Garry. And FP Chi Kung needs no condiments or additives. It is complete, sufficient, and self-explanatory. ...such that the BFP creed says is a brick that inside is gold.

I cited something about another spiritual lineage which was recieved by Tilopa from Buddha Vajradhara as they believe it. And here: http://thetaobums.com/topic/12639-flying-phoenix-chi-kung/?p=448954 • AGAIN, THIS POSTING HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH FLYING PHOENIX QIGONG--NEITHER WITH ITS PRACTICE NOR IN WITH FP HISTORY AND ORIGINS AS A MATTER OF CURIOSITY. FLYING PHOENIX CHI KUNG IS PART OF BOK FU PAI SYSTEM, WHICH IS A TAOIST MARTIAL ART TRADITION, NOT BUDDHIST) ANTARES, YOUR INSULTING OF CIHAN IS ARROGANT AND OBNOXIOUS--AND INSTANTLY BROUGHT TO MY MIND A FEW OF "THE TEN ERRORS" PRECISELY IDENTIFIED BY THE TIBETAN GURUS WHO TEACH THE MAHAMUDRA THAT YOU PROUDLY MENTIONED ON THIS THREAD [--THAT SIFU GARRY HAS ALSO POINTED OUT ARE IRRELEVANT TO FP TRAINING OR TO THE BOK FU PAI TRADITION THAT CARRIES IT (ALONG WITH THE JERRY JOHNSON BOOK REFERENCE)]: X. THE TEN ERRORS (1) Weakness of faith combined with strength of intellect are apt to lead to the error of talkativeness. (2) Strength of faith combined with weakness of intellect are apt to lead to the error of narrow-minded dogmatism. (3) Great zeal without adequate religious instruction is apt to lead to the error of going to erroneous extremes [or following misleading paths]. (4) Meditation without sufficient preparation through having heard and pondered the Doctrine is apt to lead to the error of losing oneself in the darkness of unconsciousness.1 (5) Without practical and adequate understanding of the Doctrine, one is apt to fall into the error of religious self-conceit. 1 This refers to that mental chaos or delusion which is the antithesis of the mental discipline acquired by right practice of yoga under a wise guru's guidance. --Precepts of the Gurus" from Tibetan Yoga and Secret Doctrines, by W.Y. Evans-Wentz. Page 74-75 Antares, Sifu Hearfield and I wish you and all others well on this thread, but please meditate and think more about the purpose of this thread before you post--not that Garry or I are moderators here--but because I personally don't want to spend all so much time correcting erroneous statements and pointing out irrelevancies. Sifu Terry Dunn

Lloyd, Thank you for providing 100% correct advice and directions to Pitisuhka. You are serving as an excellent lieutenant during my periodic absences from the FP thread! Yes, each of the Monk Serves Wine meditations are done in sets of seven. If one wants to do another complete or partial cycle of 7 repetitions, one does the MSW Meditation's breath control sequence one time again at the start of the new cycle. Best, Sifu Terry

Taiji Cat, Congrats on achieving good results and fun-profound effects with the basic FP seated Meds. Thanks for proving what I've been saying for the past 3.5 years on this thread: the "basic" FP meditatiions--especially the "warm-up" Monk Serves Wine meditations--are not "basic" at all. And I love your name for seated warm-up 50 30 10: "Monk Paints Garage"!!! Luminous turquoise blue, please. Looking forward to more of your breakthroughs with FPCK. Best, Sifu Terry

Hi Lloyd, Thank you for sharing your non-ordinary experiences of "gold-light-draped surroundings" of the past few days. The fact that such effects on one's vision is repeatable and verified by several practitioners in different parts of the world (who understand have had no contact with one another) proves the authenticity of this one special effect of the FP Qigong. There are many others. And this particular effect of seeing one's environment draped in gold light I will describe as having something to do with what Castaneda described as "shifting of one's assemblage point". Best, Sifu Terry

Ditto Fu_Doggy: Thank you, Sihing Garry, for your insightful and very helpful clarifications for Antares that are so valuable to other readers and myself as well. When it comes to preserving the vast disciplines that GMDW taught to us, respectively, occasional fact-checking and sanity-checks by a counterpart/school brother living on the other side of the world are most helpful! Best, Sifu Terry

Hi Steve, Regardless of when Eric did the reading on those 4 static meds. Your mere posting of his words was a point-of-contact through which his cultivated energy reached me in a most profound way. And I can still verify that each time I just look at your post, I experience a high energy state of consciousness just as powerful but qualitively different from the HSC's faciliated by any of the higher Chinese Yogas that I practice and teach. So thanks to you again and please thank Eric for me for his timeless readings and supervision--in the truest sense of the word! Sifu Terry

Antares, In general, it is true that attaining mental quiescence and/or the one-pointed mental concentration will enable one to experience and enjoy the benefits of Qigong more readily. But I am surmising from your general use of the term "Qigong", that your friend means a body of exercise systems that includes the low-level, diluted pedestrian systems and broken traditions that are nothing but random calisthenics coordinated with breathing cycle. In the case of so much of this broken, downstream detritus and flotsam that's being peddled these days as Qigong these days, which by themselves don't produce marked or notable results, authentic Indian pranayama would indeed activate and empower their practice!!!! --because these broken systems are quite lacking and crappy to begin with. So there it is, the hard truth. However, in the case of a complete, authentic and powerful ancient Qigong system like Flying Phoenix--due to the sophisticated nature of its alchemy that the oral tradition tells as having been created by a Higher Intelligence--it can and will very, very easily induce mental quiescence and help perfect one-pointed mental focus, with integration of mind and body as a passive, natural side-effect in the beginning practitioner. The FP Chi Kung system is not lacking for anything. One does not have to practice outside asanas or develop pranayama in order to attain profound health benefits from FP Chi Kung. FP Chi Kung itself a complete and powerful form of Pranayama. If one is well practiced in Indian pranayama, then the effects of FP Chi Kung should be profound, blissful and advanced. Just like as I stated earlier, if one is accomplished in Kung Fu, Tai Chi or other Chinese internal martial arts, or any other authentic system of Qigong, one already has cultivated extended-expanded-breath-power (pranayama). The proof that the basic level of FP Qigong has the equivalent effect of pranaymama--and more, so much more-- is the fact that almost every FP beginner sooner or later feels total body energization and rejuvenation. And recall the reports last fall on the thread by beginners of seeing their surroundings draped in gold light. And my and Sifu Garry's account that GM Doo Wai stated that just one--just one--of the Flying Phoenix or Sunn Yi Gung Meditations was enough to restore vital energy to others. Just do Monk Holding Pearl in seated position on chair or in half lotus along with any of the stationary standing FP Meditations in Volume One. These Meditations alone will facilitate mindfulness--more than enough to "stop the world." And certainly the basic FP moving meditations will induce it. For by performing the super-slow movements (approaching the speed of a shifting sand-dune), mental quiescence is attained through imperturbable concentration of the mind's eye on the moving hand or hands. When one attains the functional state of "seeing the world through the palms" in FP practice, the "world" is no longer the consensus reality. So, if one feels that their Flying Phoenix Qigong practice is lacking or ineffectual, then one is (a) not practicing correctly, ( b ) is not practicing enough, or ( c) one's cup is too filled with the irrelevant. Sifu Terry Dunn www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

So well put, Si-hing. And both Metallica and my favorite folk-rock queen Lissie agree: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AuXf2qaJjY

Correct: As started a couple of times in the thread already, one can choose to practice the FP Qigong system in almost any order that one prefers--so long as one eventually covers all the FP meditations and then masters the Long Form Standing Med. on Vol.4. I would agree with your friend in principle: without the Chinese equivalent counterparts to Indian asana and pranayama--i.e., the myriad of yogic postures contained in Kung Fu forms and the esoteric cultivation of breath power that comes from mastering Chinese Kung Fu Forms, attaining the high level benefits from any Qigong (with the exception of FP Qigong and probably SYG as well, as far as I know directly) is a very difficult proposition. To get the most out of high level Qigong systems such as FPCK in the shortest time, it certainly helps if one happens to be a high adept or master of Kung Fu. As I mentioned in the thread, everyone in the learning circle that I had formed around GM Doo Wai in 1990 in Los Angeles was already an instructor in some other form of kung -fu. Those who were not, "got it" a little slower than those who were. But FP Qigong is unique in that its basic standing moving meditations can still get an absolute beginner with no Chinese martial arts or yogic arts experience to a masterful level in a relatively short time because it has a comprehensive set of kung-fu postures (equivalent of asanas) built into the standing moving meditations. GM Doo Wai talked in general that he could train someone in his internal arts to a high level of proficiency in six years. If you take your friend's opinion to be absolutely true, there is still more than just the one solution that will enable one to benefit from high level qigong systems. And that is to master the equivalents of asana and pranayama--in any yogic tradition. It doesn't have to be Indian. It can be Tibetan, Persian, Amerindian, etc., or it can be Chinese kung fu or Chinese internal arts like Tai Chi Chuan. In this respect, if your friend/advisor means strictly Indian asana and pranayama, then would disagree with your friend's statement that "asana and pranayama are the shortest way to purge the body and the mind." Chinese martial and yogic arts do the same thing: purge and purify the spirit by integrating mind and body. You just have to put in the work over the many years. Good luck with the training program and schedule that you've devised. Sifu Terry Dunn www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

Hello Steve, Thank you so very much for sharing this latest remote viewing by your medical intuitive. Just from reading what you posted, I instantly snapped into the brain-saturating, energizing state enveloped by the conical white light. Very powerful, very profound, and different from Higher States of Consciousness attained through FP Meditations, from other BFP Internal arts I practice, and from the Tao Tan Pai Neigung states--in terms of the portions of the brain activated. In other words, I experienced the unique healing Consciousness cultivated from your medical intuitive. Again, very, very powerful like the FP Qigong. I thus deem your feedback as quite a wonderful gift and reward-blessing that comes from teaching FP Qigong to people who are using the art wisely. Please give my regards, respects, and deep thanks to Eric. Best, Sifu Terry

I just posted additional commentary about "projection of Qi" from GM Doo Wai. It is real phenomenon and it increases the recipient student's capacity to conduct energy cultivated by BFP internal arts. However, in the case of FP Qigong, "transmission" is not the same as "Qi projection" or what I just described in my post as an "energy initiation". FP Qigong is a spiritual healing Yoga that enables one to channel the higher intelligence that created the FP Qigong, a spiritual source. GM Doo Wai himself described the pinnacle of FP Qigong practice as being able to tap into this "trunk" of spiritual energy, a spiritual energy channel. Developing the healing power, psychic power, and higher consciousness from FP Qigong is of course most effective and more efficient--faster-- if one learns directly from the source of the FP knowledge, GM Doo Wai, as I did. The ability to tap into that "trunk" to do great healing work evolves as one's FP practice advances but I do not believe that it is guaranteed by any type of transmission. For I've seen other students in my cadre in the 1990's get far more energy transmissions from GMDW than I did, yet they have nothing in terms of healing ability because they never had the heart for it. The ability to tap into the FP Healing Energy channel depends on one's personal predilection as a healer and a teacher--i.e., whether one is karmically fit for it. If one has prepared oneself through diligent and proper FP Qigong practice to receive it, the transmission of FP Healing Power comes from above and that is an annointment more powerful than the psychic transmission of yogic knowledge or healing skill or "projection of energy" from a man. In this respect, Sifu Garry is correct. But without the correct teaching of the FP art by GM Doo Wai, we have nothing with which to join that trunk. The channeling of the remarkable--if not miraculous--FP Healing Energy aside, GMDW told me that (and I have this recorded on videotape) just mastering ONE of the Flying Phoenix Meditations (as presented in the DVD series) will enable one to "bring back" (to life). You may take that, of course, with 18 shakers of salt and declare that I belong in a lunatic asylum. But that is straight reportage of what GM Doo Wai said about the basic level of the FP Qigong system, which my experience has proven to be true. I may at some point publish that video footage of GMDW explaining that. Sifu Terry Dunn www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

Thanks, Pitisuhka. Still trying to catch up.

Hi Pitisuhka, It sounds like you might have somewhat tight leg muscles or hip joints if you're doing a half lotus with right foot close to the left hip in order to get your right knee over the left foot. I typically do half lotus with right foot over the left knee and right knee over the left foot. Big esoteric tip, if you can manage it (optional, certainly not mandatory): sometimes I do half lotus in orthodox Tibetan style: with the left foot tucked way in so that the left heel presses on the perineum. Sifu Garry is correct, as long as you are very comfortable and relaxed in your lotus position, it doesn't matter if you do half-lotus or full-lotus, or a variation on half-lotus. Just make sure that you're relaxed and comfortable. And again, there is no problem whatsoever in doing the FP seated Monk Serves Wine Meditations with your back to a wall or propped up by a piece of furniture. Best, Sifu Terry

Antares, I thought I would give confirmation that in practicing FP Qigong and other Bok Fu Pai internal arts, the learning and the cultivation is intensified and accelerated by being in the presence of GM Doo Wai. Pretty much everyone in our training group in the 1990's experienced this. GM Doo Wai could and did psychically "prime" or expand one's capacity to conduct internal energy. He did this on several occasions where each student would slowly fall into a somnambulist state of near-sleep while feeling the internal heat of the body rise to incredible and startling heights. Call this a type of energy amplification. But this is not to be confused with any type of spiritual transmission--as in high Buddhism, for example. Not just in BFP internal arts but also in Tao Tan Pai, the high reservoir of energy cultivated can be transferred to another person in need of healing or deserving of initiation. Those few TTP practitioners who mastered the 9 Flowers and the 5 Dragons can transmit the energy cultivated by the 5 Dragons neigung to resuscitate or heal a very weakened and debilitated person. Share K. Lew told us we were allowed to do this in order to save someone's life. The energy could be transferred through specific points on the recipient's body. The Flying Phoenix Heavenly Healing energy, as I have described throughout this thread, can bring back to life a creature or a human being by non-specific transfer of the FP Energy--that is by touching the recipient anywhere or passing one's hand over the person almost anywhere...and the transfer of energy is complete and sufficient, as if it had a consciousness of its own, or that a Greater Consciousness (i.e., Heaven) was conducting the energy transfer. I disagree with what this other person told you on these specific points: 1) "For example I was said that moves must not be so slow. " Absolutely Wrong. The teaching for the moving FP Qigong meditations is to move so slowly that you imagine you are moving "at the speed of shifting sand dune." If the movement's are jerky and uncomfortable, that is because you have a lot of tension in your body and simply need to practice lots, lots more. Besides practicing 3 systems of Kung Fu for 20 years before starting to train with GM Doo Wai, I had practiced Tai Chi Chuan and Liu He Ba Fa for 12 years. So I took to the moving meditations of the FP Qigong system rather easily...like a kid to cotton candy. Similarly, Ridingtheox had 20 years of Tai Chi experience and he was able to get dramatic energizing results by starting with the FP Long Form STanding Meditation on Volume 4 (find his comments about a year ago on the thread). But if you do not have similar background you will not have the same relaxation and fluidity in your FP practice. Moreover, if you do not move slowly enough, the FP alchemy will not kick in and you will not "see the world through your palm" as GM Doo Wai described. And there are other indications of correct or incorrect practice that I can discern if you put your practice on video----as Sifu Garry has suggested. The speed at which I demonstrate the moving FPmeditations on these DVD's that I produced in 2003 is NOT as slow as the speed at which GM Doo Wai taught them to me nor at the speed at which his senior student Bob Eberhardt taught them to me. For example, I learned "Moonbeam Splashes on Water" from Bob Eberhardt--with GM Doo Wai in my house supervising, btw--at a speed much, much slower than the speed at which I demonstrate the Meditation on Volume 3. of my DVD series. I have this and other lessons in 1991 on video and may post the footage on my website in the future just to emphasize this point of practicing at the slowest speed possible.) 2) And I agree bc in standing moves I feel uncomfortable doing it so slow and I posted the clip before where you could see me jerking. As I said, you simply need to practice more until your movements are totally relaxed, smooth and frictionless. And that may take weeks, months, or years. 3) That person says that horse stance should be shoulder width apart, not that wide. Otherwise it blocks flow of qi. And I do with more narrow stance than ST says on DVD. The width of the stances that I demonstrate on the DVD series are the width of the stances that I had practiced under GM Doo Wai's supervision for 6 years. They are right for me as a 5'11'' tall 155 lb. person with relatively longer legs than most people. The width of stances on Monk Gazing At Moon, Monk Holding the Pearl are one shoulder's width apart as seen on the DVD. The width of Monk Holding Peach is two or 2.5 shoulder's widths apart. Doing this meditation at one shoulder's width is WRONG. Period. Doing "Wind Through Treetops" and "Wind Above the Clouds" at shoulder's width is also WRONG. The most narrow that you should do these is 1.5 shoulder's width. Otherwise, you are negating the effects of these 2 meditations. Again, for better circulation through better stretching and flexibility, do them with a stance that is 2 shoulder widths wide. The only thing blocking the flow of Qi is the indolence and laziness of a beginner who cannot commit to following the most basic and easy-to-follow instructions to develop proper FP Energy cultivation--and yet thinks he knows everything about the FP System through hearsay of disreputable sources. ••• 3.75 years into this discussion thread, I don't like to have to repeat myself on basics that have worked properly for me and others for 22+ years. For all the moving standing FP meditations seen on the DVD series , the width of the stances I demonstrate are correct. If you want to confirm that the width of my stances is correct, carefully compare them to the stances demonstrated by GM Doo Wai's in the 9 Advanced Standing FP Meditations, if you happen to own them. Equalizing our bodily proportions, my stances are the same as the Grandmaster's. **It is true that once your kung-fu is good, and you have great root and flexibility through your core surrounding the tan tien--that is, like myself or Sifu Hearfield, then doing the standing moving FP Meditations (Wind through Treetops, Wind Above the Clouds, Moonbeam on Volume 3, and Flying Phoenix Heavenly Healing Chi Meditation on Volume 4) at a narrower width of 1.5 shoulder's width is sufficient and conducive to good total-body chi circulation. But it is my personal teaching philosophy that if beginners practice FP using wider stances, then they will develop greater flexibility, balance and leg strength, are able to relax their entire body sooner, and so develop better energy permeation accrue greater health benefits in the long run. In this following respect, FP Qigong is no different than any other internal art such as Tai Chi Chuan: In Tai Chi Chuan Da Wen ("Questions and Answers on Tai Chi ") by Chen Wei Ming (translated by Master Benjamin Lo and my late friend Robert W. Smith), Master Chen states that a longer bow stance and naturally more stable and develops greater strength and balance and should be practiced by beginners. Anyone with any level in Chinese internal arts knows this. You go from large frame, to small frame, to void or no frame. I don't really care who is telling you these new tips about FP Qigong, but he sounds like a beginner because you will NOT get good results if you do all the FP Standing Meditations at one shoulders' width. Especially if you do not have a strong Kung Fu background to begin with. As for how many levels there are of FP Qigong, GM Doo Wai never emphasized that. He taught me a vast Flying Phoenix internal system, and I have organized it in my own way in order to teach it effectively through my classes and on DVD media. For the first 2+ years of this thread, I described the FP Qigong system on the DVD series (plus about 16 additional (unpublished) seated meditations as the entire FPHHCM System that cultivates the tangible, distinctive and blue-appearing FP Healing energy). I purposefully left out any mention of the Advanced FP Qigong Meditations because I only wanted to focus on the cultivation Flying Phoenix Healing Energy. For the 9 Advanced FP Standing meditations demonstrated on video by GM Doo Wai crosses the threshold from healing art to martial art. Until Sifu Garry Hearfield encouraged me to teach the 9 Advanced FP Meditations, I had no intention of doing so. For no one is ready for that level of FP--not even my students in Los Angeles. It's obvious to me given the amount and quality of feedback from FP practitioiners on this thread, that no one in the world thus far can explain the effects of "Moonbeam Splashes on Water" on Volume 3--a much shorter and simpler standing moving meditation than the capstone standing Long Form Meditation on Volume 4. My perogative as a teacher designated by GM Doo Wai is to keep the teaching of the Flying Phoenix Heavenly Healing Meditations simple and orthodox. And I am not going to discuss yet on this thread the other levels of the FP Qigong system that no one is ready for. I will say that I practice the entire basic level of FP Qigong including a dozen more seated Monk Serves Wine Meditations not seen on the DVD series, the 9 Advanced FP Standing Meditations, and the Red Lotus Flying Phoenix. Practitioners who want to learn these other Flying Phoenix arts will have to become my students in Los Angeles to do so. Sifu Terry Dunn www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

No, that company will not receive a pitch from me. The real cheese has already been showcased by several national distributors: Tai Chi for Health Long Form and TCFH Short Form DVD's since 1991 has sold over 11 million units; Chi Kung For Health (teaching Flying Phoenix Heavenly Healing Chi Kung of Ehrmeishan) released in 2003 is being practice worldwide and is the subject of the longest-running discussion thread on this blogsite: http://thetaobums.com/topic/12639-flying-phoenix-chi-kung/ ...that's been read by more than 485,000 pairs of eyes to date. • Plus, I don't do business with Philistines. Sifu Terence Dunn

Hi Lloyd, You gave an excellent, perfectly correct set of answers to Pitisukha's questions. Your experience from your diligent practice has become your teacher and lodestone. Thank you for your very helpful contributions. I'm just now starting to catch up to the past 2 weeks' interesting, varied, and lively postings. Be well. Sorry I missed you when you were in L.A. recently. I'll send you a PM about that shortly. Best, Sifu Terry

Hello Norbu, Welcome to the thread. Thank you very much for confirming through your personal experience that Tibetan Yoga (Trul Khor) is compatible with Flying Phoenix Heavenly Healing Chi Kung. And thanks for sharing the year-by-year content and focus of the 4-year training you undertook. Based on my basic and partial exposure to Tibetan Yogas, my knowledge of the oral tradition that tells of the creator of FP Chi Kung traveling throughout China's western frontier and Tibet, most recent trends of thought in native Tibetan scholarly circles about the influence of Chinese Taoism on Tibetan Yoga and doctrines (in addition to the dominant influence of Buddhism and Bonpo), and based on my extensive experience in several schools of Qigong, it was my clear intuitive feeling that the Flying Phoenix art would be compatible with Tibetan Yoga. Thank you also for your story about the Protectors of the Tibetan Dharma. I will comment on that subject in a separate posting. Sifu Terry Dunn www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

So very true that many are called by few are chosen. Thank you Si-hing Garry, for posting is my favorite Tao Te Ching passage that describes the spiritual fruits of correct Meditation and details the elevation of consciousness and spirit. Your translation is a very excellent one that is yogic and direct. Along with what you just posted, my favorite English translation is by Robert G. Hendricks based on the Ma-want-tui texts discovered in 1973: Take emptiness to the limit;
 Maintain tranquility in the center. The ten thousand thing side-by-side they arise;
 And by this I see their return.
 Things [come forth] in great numbers;
 Each one returns to its root.
 This is called tranquility. 
“Tranquility”his means to return to your fate.
 To return to your fate is to be constant;
 To know the constant is to be wise.
 Not to know the constant is to be reckless and wild; 
If you’re reckless and wild, your actions will lead to misfortune. To know the constant is to be all-embracing;
 To be all-embracing is to be impartial;
 To be impartial is to be kingly;
 To be kingly is to be [like] Heaven;
 To be [like] Heaven is to be [one with] the Dao; 
If you’re [one with] the Dao, to the end of your days you’ll suffer no harm.

If by "the first authentic I" you mean someone who creates a total pile of mediocrity in terms of a fitness regimen designed to pander to the elderly who don't know any better but have only heard that Tai Chi is good for the aged, and a callous and mercenary pilferer of the name of Tai Chi Chuan that misrepresents the true art --with not even derivation, but just made-up, unrelated hokum--for the sake of enriching himself and an infomercial company, then you have very, very low self-esteem and somewhat deranged aspirations. I applaud Tai Cheng for his effort and guts to promote what he believes in with his own resources. Ah, I beg your pardon, but Mark Cheng is not promoting what he believes in with his own resources. The company that produced and owns his programs and airs the infomercials--that in some part encouraged and put him up to this "creation"--is "Beach Bodies", the distributor of the "PX-90" and "Insanity" (aerobic) exercise DVD programs that nets more than $150 million a year. As for what he believes in, it rates not as any derivative martial art or a notable system of physical therapy, in my assessment. (Prior to 39 years in kung-fu and Tai Chi Chuan and four complete systems of Qigong, I was a gymnast for 8 years through high school and college, trained by two Olympic coaches and I was the first Tai Chi and Qigong instructor in American medical history to create a hospital protocol teaching Tai Chi and Qigong to acute-care post operative surgery patients to accelerate recovery while supplanting use of pain-killing drugs (in 1999). And I was the Tai Chi trainer to the L.A. Lakers in 2000-2001). Again, "Tai Cheng" doesn't even rate as bastardized version Tai Chi as Debbie Shayne was clear enough to point out, but an related Cheez Whiz version of real Cheese, of real Tai Chi. And as for your belittling and scoffing at the spiritual lineages established by Lao Tzu, the Buddha, and Chang San-Feng, why don't you add Moses, Jesus Christ, and Mohammed to complete your list of denigration of the holiest in celebration of human hubris? Sifu Terence Dunn www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

Hi Eugene, Have you experienced the transformative effects of what you call Nei Dan, or "Alchemy in Taoist Arts"? if so, what style of Taoist alchemic art have you practiced? I ask because I think you may have too a narrow definition of" Alchemic (Nei dan) Taoist arts" and thus are making confused divisive distinctions of something that is actually unified under "Taoist Alchemic Yoga." I use the term Dao Yin like most people to mean Taoist Yoga. That includes all systems of Taoist yogas: Bok Fu Pai is a Taoist system. It's internal arts are Taoist alchemic arts. Just as the Neikung of Tao Tan Pai Kung Fu dating back 23 generations (and attributed to Lu Tung Pin)--also a system that I teach--is Taoist internal alchemy. Just seeking further clarification about your thinking as reflected in your statement "Dao Yin is not the same transformative as Alchemy (Nei Dan) in Taoist arts." Sifu Terry www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

Hi Alleswasderfallist, To the best of my knowledge, there is no mantric practice associated with Flying Phoenix Qigong. GM Doo Wai never mentioned any mantric practice or yoga during 6 years I studied with him. Good luck with your research into this aspect of Ehrmeishan Buddhism. And please let us know what you find! Glad you enjoyed my relaying of my student's profane, generation-specific praise of FP Qigong: "FP is the fucking shit!" Regards, Sifu Terry www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

Thank you again, Si-hing Garry. Yes, by its name, which is functional as well as symbolic, "Flying Phoenix Heaven's Work" (a closer translation of "Fei Feng San Gung") is a Dao Yin system that purifies the spirit as well as effects self-healing by perfectly integrating body and mind. Sifu Terry