suninmyeyes

Nice to see you doing tai chi. I too think that form needs to sink.Let the dantien turn and move you.

Life is full of diversity. Developing a good rhytam in order to dance with life in all circumstances is a very helpful non exclusivist tool.

I think there must have been misscomunication(either I didnt express myself well or you have misread me or both) in regards of my questions and especially about DNA as your answers doesnt answer my question,it doesent make sense to what I was asking. It is not important,but just letting you know. Internet can be like that sometimes.

Wow I never even read this thread before . I have read bits of it just now. Interesting disscusion.. All I have to say is if Vmarco comes back by the time he answers the posts ,this thread will have 50 pages.In which case maybe Ill take an extra day off to keep up to date.

Haha could be, dont smoke so cant tell..

Marbleito,why? No . Pick up the pieces of the heart that felt apart, Use some of the loves suprglue and do what tigers do, (rhymin and stlylin by sun,there is an imaginary tune going on in the background together with the beatbox) http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/ammit/ammit1005/ammit100500033/7025013-male-and-female-tiger-in-a-romantic-pose--in-their-natural-habitat.jpg

Say if you inherent an illness through your genetical make up and with practise of chi kung you manage to change it? What happens there according to Taoist belief system? What about actually being able to change DNA? Why not?

Just google vegan athlets ,they are out there. Out of more famous ones Carl Lewis is vegan for example. I am raw vegan, stronger with more endurance and flexibility than ever before at 38, feeling and looking younger. Strenght and endurance does not come from meat.

Thanks guys,I was just really courious ,especially if that statment is a common belief in Taoisam(it sounded quite shamanic too ). dawei I ll go and check subforum for the reccomended disscusion.I guess I would need to look into researching Taoisam a little bit more to understand the terminology better.It is on my list to do when time allows at some point as I find it interesting .Much of it is thanks to some stuff I see written here on TTB. But yes ancestral qi sounds pretty common sensical to me so far, it is just a different use of language I suppose . It is interesting what you say Steve that what you have mentioned in your post you consider it as foundation of what Daoist pardigm describes in terms of qi. This patterns is something I have been working with in my life for while now and got to understand it a little through different methods and by paying attention ,inquiry and curiosity,sometimes dire need. Reprogramming and deprogramming,changing and discovering.letting go.There is so much potential in us ,it is really incredible when I think of this now,but I am still as if in a sort sleeping daze .

You can love a tiger from a distance but you dont need to go and stroke him.

No we are just shitting in the cyberspace.

! And the beat goes on.

You can be in a meditative state whilst doing anything. At some point you stop doing meditation 'it is doing you'.It becomes a natural way of being. As to Taoist technique a friend of mine is a practising Taoist(Long Men Pai-sorry if the name is misspelled) and she was tought walking meditation . There is running chi kung that I am aware of.

How do you know if you have never tried?Maybe that is a lie too? My belief is that life is just expressing herself. That is all. And the beat goes on.

What happened ,have you been playing poker today or feeling just like this,just becouse ? Nice forum, I am learning some Daoist stuff from you people(although I play taiji and do chikung my theoretical knowledge is very little) ,and find it very interesting and inspiring.The forum has a really good feeling so far.

tulku, Love and hate are forces that are part of this existance ,they will not cease to exist.They just are.And there will not disspear due to the 'pure conesciousness'. 'Pure conesciousness'(I am not too keen on that expression myself)is not a cleaning agent ,it is a state of being . This is how I do it and am writing it as one of the possibilities or ways ,there are many ways and you need to find something suitable for your personality. Here is my suggestion: Carefully pay attention throughout the day dont stop ,do it always,as patiently as you can, noting what you are indentifying with.Where are your thoughts coming from?What makes particular thought arise?If it comes often and start forming pattern?Why? When you find out why you will break the pattern and identification with that thought .Note this closley.How does it feel?Is it a feeling or do you translate it as a feeling?Who is it that translates it as a feeling? Like this start digging ,uprooting your belief system ,a structure that makes you tulku . Dont stop ,no matter what. Note the currents of forces present in you and all around you.Do you want to be swayed by all of them?By any psychic wind that blows a little?What are you identfiying with,if angry why?If joyfull why?What are moods?What makes a mood ?Again do you want to identify with your moods? Learn to pick and choose,be creative creator. What makes me me?Be aware of this always.Dig,dig,dig. And learn to choose from which place to act by constantly working like this.What feels right?Not letting things escape you.And if they do ,it doesent matter do it again. If you are looking for non duality like this you may find it ,when you do you may understand that you were never away from it.Even when you had great desire for jerk chicken or were making love . Than again you may prefer something different that suits you better personally.

Now I am feeling to send you one too steve!

Oh no Marbels what I shame I have missed your post!I hope you didnt say what I think you did.. Well stop looking than and start shining compassion instead of loving as Vmarco told me she does.Just shine your life away.You could start by visualising yourself as a torch I guess.And than progress onto bed lite,than onto street lamp etc.

I think fastest way would be eternal patience and ability to wait.

Some techniques are usually used for concentration, but meditation happens by itself ,it does not involve doing of any kind. The goal/reason why I do it would be ( depending on the mood) pleasure, having a 'psychic shower',curiosity, reprogramming ,deeply resting- best rest ever,exploring my own potential, looking for answers.. I do admit loving being in meditative state and just sitting.It is so good and often makes me late for work in the morning,just cant force myself to get up. The understanding that meditations brought me is all I have in a way,my security. My security is in not fearing uncertainty ,opening myself wider and wider to life. At some point this sense of well being and ease starts transforming old behavioural patterns and points of view, and a sense of peace tiptoes into life..

Love is a cosmic glue force with healing properties.

Yes and no.

There would not be any 'you' if all the personal preferances were surrenderd, if all ego and human identity is gone. There must some trace of something left no matter how noble or small if anyone is to continue living, some desire even if it is almost transparent. So the question is not really valuable as there is no one to answer it. I can only tell you from my point of view.

I feel surrendering as total relaxation and distressing my own being of which long deep breaths are results rather than a sole tool. Surrendering is active process of being aware and awake to whatever if happening in life and not minding it. If it rains it rains , if sun shines it shines,but it does not necesarry mean loosing all personal preferances. If intellectual mind is at work let it work but a person is not obliged to engage with it constantly. How do I do this? By waking up to the fact that I am actually preparing a cup of tea or typing or whatever else one does throughout the day.