suninmyeyes

OK I think I have clarified my point by now ,it is fine by me if you think that is not in line with reality and terrible. Nice talking to you .

I agree that mind holds the point of view and expiriences.What else? It is not the only way to exist though.Mind exists through thinking which differs (IMO) from being. I repeat God and Nature are not distinct or seperate from my self ,most definetly not.I am part of it and I am it at the same time. I wrote all this to clarify ,not to try and convince or impose my point of view.

For me it is simple.Mind is some thoughts put together of thoughts if there is no thoughts there is no mind.I dont have to discard the mind ,mind drops on its own and I find myself as much larger space than my own mind and understand myself as as multidimensional and not confined only to my thoughts. That place might be called Nature or God ,but it also includes the individual mind, it is not seperate .So no stepping out ,just fine tunning and changing the point of view. Personally I dont seek liberation as I think that I am fine as I am and take that as my path.This doesent mean I will never make any sort of effort, and when I do it will be my way and becouse I couldnt do anything else but exactly that.This if understood correctly brings a lot of peace .

This is fantastic link ,Ive just send it to some of mt mates.

Thanks Rainbow.I never noticed the space ,thanks for mentionig. Will try and figure it out.

What is chat?Just quick writing?I am slow at typing.

manitou you are hillarious .You just made me laugh ou loud with being so cutting edge.I am just about the same.

I can understand better where you are coming from,thanks for sharing.I am glad to have read about your perspective. Mind is definetly not the core of my being or my heart though. As you have said there is many ways to think about mind.

You are the best! I love your gay message,would be nice if some music intro was added.

Staring at the wall for 9 years is hard core.Life is so amazing and diverse! There is a yogic technique called shambavi mudra(it is an open eye meditation),and person can employ it for going to sleep.This is how many yogis sleep/'sleep'.

Jetsun,I think it means that too and that detachment path works for some.It also maybe is the fastest way,I wouldnt know as I am not racing.I am the lazy kind. However the point of not percieving just through the gross sense ,tunning yourself in on finer levels and being able to be soberly present is very important .

It hasnt been that terrible for me yet ,calm down .Just my expirience and I still stand by it although it may change . What is this 'place 'made of if not thoughts?Like some overmind,real mind,Buddhas mind(just guessing)?Or? For me it would be God or Nature where everything comes from and takes place.

Detachment from the senses sounds like some rigrous ascetic practise(not saying uneffective for some)on a path of achivment which would not be a personal choice. However awarness that arises from understanding totally makes sense. Also I dont get these things with the mind.Mind for me is a bundle of thoughts ,if theyre gone there is no mind.Wouldnt united mind be a contradiction in terms?

Dont know if it is possible ,I am so low tech ,but if it would it would definetly be intsersting to hear all of you people.

I believe that we constantly need to be put up against something in order to learn. That something(whatever it is like an idea ,problem,weather,flat tyre,external teacher..) is a teacher.Teacher points the way,but source of knowledge is not the teacher.

Very nice Steve, A nightingale falls in love with the Rose. The whole affair begins with just one look from God. Yunus Emre

Thanks Ms(Mrs?)Rainbow

Nice post Otis , One of the biggest shifts that took place for me was when it finally downed that pain is not MINE. It may sound like a hair splitting ,but it is a subtle point with massive effect . Also pain is not suffering.Suffering is identifying with the pain.Pain is what you very nicley said(and described): 'bodys begging the awarness for attention'. Just letting it wash through without need to identify with it and making it into practise not to act from the place of my wounds activly.Which is my main practise made up and tailored by me for me.

This really speaks to me. It is just the way it is.No need for fancy dresses of perfection.

Yes and what a relief that is.

Am I?

Hahaha you are funny. In my opinion no need to rush becouse Life is so generous('generous')that she will force you to be vulnerable if you dont do it willingly,she will corner you and there might not be other way but to open up to it. I was cornered by Life in past 2 years so much that I couldnt even be angry any longer ,everything I have ever avoided came face to face(and I always thought I was good at avoiding).It wasnt a love affair than thats for sure. @Rainbowvein back at you sweetie!

By embrcing vulnerability I simply mean recgonizing it for what it is ,where does it come from.When one is truly able to be vulnerable ,one has nothing to loose and wont feel abused or offended becouse this becomes a source of a strenght. It does not have negative conotations. This doesent mean that in a social context a person should be a doormat.Common sense and listening to ones feelings should be employed. However this works for me and as we are all different some different approach might work better for you,but vulnerability together with all other fears will have to be met at some point if one is to live more peaceful life. What you describe happened at the therapist when you got angry sounds to me that you have embraced vulnerability .Becouse what you call yang forces of agression steams from fear and agression is another expression of being vulnerable. Working with fears ,recgonigizing them and dropping them helped me to open up a little.This is where expctations ,guilt,should and should nots and etc..all arise from. By reading your post it seems that you do know instictivley know what needs to be adressed and are doing some deep expoloration .And have already empowered yourself ,otherwise you wouldnt be able to open up to such degree here on Tao Bums.Respect.

Jetsun, vulnerability is a part of life and living that has to be deeply expirienced and seen for what it is- not avoided. In such situation I would look where does it come from and what can I do about it and if nothing than I would excersise patience(a great tool often underated)till solution comes or life sorts itself out. Wounds need to be healed.Nurturing and loving 'yourself'is so important. Anyway with opening up its not about progress-nowhere to get, but stripping down and feeling OK with it.As it is all part of life and its diversity ,a natural occurance every human expiriences. Ill share what I ask myself it may inspire (or it may invoke laughter-whatever) Do I want to be 'naked' with nothing to hold onto and embrace unknown? Or walk around dressed in iron like tight clothes made of all different kinds of thoughts,aplying lipstick made out of fear and wearing vulnerability and pride as earings that are so heavy and already starting to tear off my earlobes ? I choose to make love to unknown anytime. In my opinion only when we can be totally vulnerable does the great strenght arise.That may be what you refer to as power,and this power will never be truly authentic unless the depths of vulnerability have been expirienced and understood.