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that guile thing again i agree with much , if not all, of your view about Contributed Articles. particularly the originality of the piece and other possible considerations to why a poster would choose to place in the articles section rather than a ppf or the open forums here. any poster could still choose to place an original piece out on the open forums for lively debate. i also like the idea that a creator of an original article has the option to place it in an articles section with some form of custody assurance of providing safe gaurds against outright attacks or malicious trolling or way off topic remarks. a personally created work with energy and time invested is a very personal thing and if we do go forward with this idea, who knows, maybe someone would share content that they otherwise may not have due to the threat of a trolling attack. i like the idea of the possibility that The Tao Bums Contributed Article section could become a collection containing gems and nuggets exclusive to The Tao Bums site and created by our own members.

they must be some form of postmodern art expression and would probably look fantastic over @ MoMA, where they would have the space to showcase these fascinating solid blue lines surrounded by white space. kinda genius really, but a few of us are thinking on a thread here on ttb may not the propper venue for these.

it would be in public view. but it would still be only for original articles from our members and not a personal practice journal. nicely said

fare thee well, wayfarer i always found great value in your postings

Flowing Hands, it is curious and relevant that you introduce Black Elk on this thread. i share your honoring of Black Elk. i look to Black Elk with high regard and high esteem, so much merit earned by one High Priest and so much spiritual experience contained in a truly remarkable life. this all i wish to say for now.

it doesnt contribute in 3 consecutive posts? i didnt even get it the third time? i could hide the original slice of cheese as was requested but there would still be two left. otherwise this is an interesting thread/topic walls of jericho type of stuff,,,,,,

the word of the day is>>> "Fuck TED anyway" and the horse he rode in on.

skydog, you kinda look more like a sky tiger today , but never-the-less "Not to discredit plans, but not knowing can often be a form of intelligent." the ancients have been very consistent in trying to convey this message to us, havnt they? adam and eve eating from the tree of knowledge and hence taking a huge fall, also the ancient greek >> euripedes, in The Bacchae, demonstrates how spontaneous nature totally crushed the rationale thought/plan of pentheus. Lao Tzu and Chuang Tzu advise us to step away from knowledge/knowing(thinking we are knowing becoz we sure the heck aint) the Ancients understood this fallacy of humanity thinking that we are knowing and our reason is superior to spontaneous nature. it was true in the ancient world and it is still true today. look at the numerous perils we have placed ourselves in by using our knowledge

ah, you want the serum?! dang all i have is this lousy herbal concoction hehehe

+1 to turtle shell for using the word doppelganger. interesting word and one that may be found reading Jung? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppelg%C3%A4nger so if i posted a photo of myself and of my great granddaddy,,,,,, i like words that are the same singular or plural which is exactly what the doppleganger is all about

"Powerful phone and cable companies are colluding with government agencies to trample on our rights to connect and communicate. These same companies grab every opportunity to raise our rates and pad their profits. Last week a federal court heard arguments in Verizon vs. FCC — the court case that could overturn the Federal Communications Commission’s Open Internet rules. If Verizon gets its way, the FCC’s rules protecting Net Neutrality and shielding Internet users from corporate abuse will disappear." "This court case is just the latest front in the ongoing battle over what we can do and say online. Our rights to connect and communicate — via universally accessible, open, affordable and fast communications networks — are essential to our individual, economic and political freedoms. But without Net Neutrality, Internet service providers will be able to block websites. They’ll be able to put some sites in the fast lane while letting the rest languish on the slow road to nowhere. Small startups will no longer be able to compete with companies like Facebook and Google. The open Internet will cease to exist." "The Internet we love isn’t just a platform for corporate speech. The Internet we love isn’t just another tool in the government’s spying regime. The Internet we love lets us connect and create. The Internet we love is affordable and accessible. The Internet we love rejects censorship and values our right to communicate in private. In just a few months, a court will decide whether or not to throw out the few protections Internet users have. We need to be ready to fight back"

ok, i wasnt aware of the 31 minute rule

and in the ppf section , this will also be having the merging?

fh, it is good that you dont have to be in a trance now. please review your post #61 http://thetaobums.com/topic/24476-xiao-yao-pai/page-4 Tai Shang Men clan Xiao Yao Pai clan has its origins from an ancient esoteric sage/hermit who developed wisdom, and Taoist exercises (meditation and breathing exercises)to increase conscious awareness. on the previous thread, fh, we debated about the shamanism/trance method as opposed to the entering divine realm in complete awareness. they are opposite systems. i mentioned several times that they cannot be compared as they are opposite. the shamanism decreases conscious awareness to contact the immortal and on post # 67 you say; "After this stage the apprentice shaman will be fully baptized by the experienced shaman in a full trance of the Immortal. " Huang Ti, Lao tzu, Chuang Tzu speak about meditation to increase the level of consciousness. i have not seen them speak of shamanism.then in the next period of Taoists, there were Chang Tao Ling, Lu Dong Bin, Hua T'o and again they are talking abount internal alchemy and meditation and not shamanism. all of their systems were to increase conscious awareness. i understand that many folks resonate with shamanism, that is fine if that is what they want > shamanism, then yes, flowing hands is a way to go. flowing hands, i still feel that you have not grasped the differences between XYP and shamanism and that differing schools exist with different methods. i know you like to promote shamanism and your brand of shamanism. XYP is the opposite of shamanism. if anyone prefers to try the shamanism that is fine with me. i never said that XYP is the only way. personally, i dont want to enter a trance with decreased awareness while encountering other spirits. sometimes possession occurs(being controlled by another awareness) but to each their own, i suppose. i wish everyone the best of luck in their pursuits

if it is a poster who has the style of particularly long posts and all of those are merged together, how does that look? nevermind, i think, i know a thread in the pit i could go check and see for myself is this in effect in the pit? there are still the consecutive individual posts from an individual who posts consecutively. nothing was merged. i expected to find one post running 3 pages

another thought or 2 about the 'functionality' of XYP in XYP we are not given dogma and we are not told that we need to believe in anything. instead, we are challenged to test this system, consider the evidence and decide if we have proved it for ourself or not. we develop our own comprehension of life. we are not taught some fabulous theory that makes grand promises of super powers. instead, we are positioned as any sage or prophet would be as they develop their wisdom. we dont base our system off of begging. fh, you say that you are not in with the Tang Ki guys. but you share this is common with them; you go to a temple and beg, connect with a shaman and become a disciple to the monkey god. Tang ki does the exact same thing. XYP does not go to the temple and beg. XYP is an ancient esoteric school that was more at home in a mountain cave than in a temple. we do not have any animal gods. we recognize that some animals like the spirit fox has some magic power but it is Yao Guai and not Shen Xian (taoist immortal) in XYP an animal cannot cultivate up to a Taoist immortal. fh, you have said that you have been 'possessed' by Taoist immortal. how do you recognize it as a true immortal and not something else?

"What are some of your beliefs in that system Zerostao?" that this is a function based system rather than a belief based system.

i will go with your thought on this. as you were the originator of the Taoist discussion section, if i recall correctly? i feel you are well qualified to make that call

from my pov, this thread was/is about the choice (a tough choice) between freedom of expression and personal responsibility. there is some merit on either position. i argued passionately that freedom should prevail. part of the reason that i did, was i am hopeful and confident that freedom of expression and personal responsibility can coexist and compliment each other here on The Tao Bums, which i view as a community that does embrace among other things the aspects of cultivation and mindfulness and thoughtful and considerate postings.

molly molly molly

flowing hands, "It really makes no difference to me in the slightest. What I am solely concerned with is what is actually happening. If Li Erh said to me I'm taking on a bunch of people through another sect then what has it got to do with me? Every day Li Erh probably takes on a new follower from many of the temples in S. Asia, where he is a bond brother to other Immortals. He also may take on a novice shaman from time to time. This has nothing to do with me either. The Immortal masters take on many followers and teach them to certain levels and very rarely they take on a 'inside' student which they heavily give their time to." http://thetaobums.com/topic/24476-xiao-yao-pai/page-6 yes, I know FH, your methods are very common in asia. In sngapore it is called Tang Ki. In Indonesia it is called Ki Thang as you can see in the videos in the above link. BTW where do you live and what is you call your method? "No this it is not shamanism, the giving of a fa by one human to another human down from one master to a student." yes, i know it exactly and XYP system does not use this way in learning the system "Shamanism involves the relationship and teaching of a spirit master to a human." yes, i know it, it is your method and it the most common method in traditional Chinese temple. but XYP does not use this method. so all of your prejudice to XYP are wrong because it is based on your personal assumption that are incorrect. and you wrote; "The Dao is far reaching, unbiased, and unprejudiced. Those who follow the Dao reflect this." but i see that you have shown prejudice since the beginning. when you said that we use pass down fa, isnt this prejudice?

wango te tango wang Te dang

well, i was lounging around in the mod dungeon and in pranced this creature, i was like , may i help you? and the creature said that they were now a mod mascot here on ttb, i was like, ok, cool can you find me a pollock painting , so i can place it on a thread up top

" Still looks like random paint droppings to me. " thelerner, are you just looking at it or did you enter it?