tyler zambori

But what I'd really prefer is a "bathroom wall" where the offending posts can go, and leave the original discussion intact.

No, it was an agenda to get the moderators to do something about it. Why didn't the moderators do something about it right away? The excuse seems to be that nobody reported anything during that whole week that thread was allowed to stay in the general discussion area, but hey you know what, don't the moderators at least take a look at the thread titles every day? I'm pretty darn sure you all do. The title of the thread gave its potential for trouble away immediately. I don't wants thread to go to the pit, unless they are obvious trouble like that one. But that wasn't even what I asked for. What I asked for was for the thread to be locked immediately, and for an announcement to be made. An announcement was made, but the thread locking happened eventually.

I agree, I think it would work out much better than pitting and locking.

Also, I reported many of the offensive posts, and shortly after that the thread went to the pit.

If we report posts, the whole thread will go to the pit, because the mods "don't want to stifle anyone's freedom of expression." But the "are men generally more conscious than women" thread was sent to the pit, and then locked. AS far as I know, no individual had their post removed, or was suspended. I once suggested that they create a "bathroom wall," where any offensive posts against the terms of service would be sent. It was ignored. But a "bathroom wall" would work in a situation where the mods don't want to stifle anyone's "freedom of expression." The way it works is, it's a subforum with just one long thread. That thread contains all the offensive posts. Anyone can still read the posts, and even do searches. But they are now disconnected from the original conversation. Saves a lot of banning and suspending. But it was ignored before, and likely still will be. The mods will do what they want.

BKA, if you're referring to the list of things men on this forum have said, it's here: http://thetaobums.com/topic/35145-are-men-generally-more-conscious-than-women/page-10#entry554539 Apech made a list of comments in the "Are men generally more conscious" thread, which he pointed out are unacceptable. I noticed along the way that Aetherous made the last comment and noted that in parentheses.

Why does the term "feminism" alienate men? What if I called it " anti-sexist activism"? Would that alienate men? If not, why not? Hmm...."you smell like a guy" etc. does not carry with it the message that men are inferior to anything or anybody. Male stinkiness? Just take a shower. Neither does "You drive like a man" (I never heard that one?). " You drive like a woman" does carry that message - that women are worse drivers than men. Yeah, I'd like talk about that video that Zanshin posted. Here's the brief conversation between the female interviewer and the young boy: The implication here is that he had told his sister that she "runs/throws/hits like a girl." Or etc. So what does he think, that it's ok to insult some non-existant archetypal girls? To him, his sister is a real person he cares about, and therefore is not included in the group of non-existant archetypal girls. What is he not conscious of, is that now his sister has something to fight against, which he doesn't. Now she has to fight for her self-esteem. What he is not conscious of, is that insulting the non-existing archetypal girls DOES hurt his sister, the real person that he cares about. To quote the film-maker: Ok, so when the men on this forum say things like: They are doing the same thing that little boy did. LOOK at what you are doing, and WAKE UP! And this is what feminism has to offer men: Consciousness. I hereby challenge you men to become more conscious. Kajenx, so you still want to tell me that feminism no longer has any relevance? Here's a thought: that's not for men to tell women. We women will tell you when it's no longer relevant.

Yes, it sure does get spattered everywhere. Men's violence against women, for example, also will affect their young sons. And then there's Men's direct sexual violence against young boys too, and men who get raped by other men.

Zanshin, thank you for that, that is spot on. Thank you BKA for the rap video. I wanted to say, I think that slam poem is more than just a brilliant feminist poem. To me it seemed an invitation to men to engage with life.

It really puts women's humanity "in your face."

My God, that is a brilliant poem.

I'll make the semantics simple for you. Women don't want to be treated like shit. Think about that one - women don't want to be treated like shit. It's very simple. Once again, women don't want to be treated like shit.

A matriarchal society would not make all our problems go away, because women are human too. And that is not what feminist / anti-sexist activist are trying to achieve anyway. Sometimes I've wondered, well, what if we took the money out of it, and made being in power, politically, an act of service, and they don't get to be rich because of it? Well then, how would we get the best talent for the job in that case? What if only enlightened people could run for office? They may not want to do it / there may not be enough of them, etc. And that could result in some kind of fascism - separation of church and state, you know. We humans have a lot of problems to solve, really hard problems. Anti-sexist activism could only help some of them, but that's something that can be achieved the more people become aware and change.

As long as everyone is respected I'm good too. The people who are PM'ing you are being abusive. Feel better soon.

Sure I have something more to say about Yin and Yang. They are principles, not people. Men going around saying that men are better than women because they are more Yang, is just using the principles of Yin and Yang to treat women like shit. Using one's religion to treat women like shit is something that happens all over the world. I thought Taoism wanted to be better than that. In fact, I'm pretty darn sure it does. BKA, thanks for asking that question at your meeting last night. I'm glad to get their input too, even though it's indirect. The guy who said women are superior sounds like a good guy, but we all just want to be equal, that is , not be treated like shit. CT, thanks for watching that video, and for your feedback on it .

This TED talk is about gender violence, but it's also about the leadership failure of men with power, to stand with women on these issues: So from the point of view of leadership failure, it's very much on point. The speaker calls himself an anti-sexist activist, but it's the same thing as feminism. And here's a TED talk called: We should all be feminists: Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie at TEDxEuston Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie was a 2005-2006 Hodder Fellow at Princeton, where she taught introductory fiction. She strikes me as charming and amusing. OMG, not your typical feminazi! I'm sure the people who really need it won't watch it, but I'll post it here in case somebody does find it interesting.

And since women are still often treated like shit, (yes on this forum) that makes for a very clear definition. To make it even more clear, one could even say that a feminist, on this forum, is a person who doesn't want to be treated like shit, and doesn't want women who post on this forum to be treated like shit. So within the context of this forum, I hope that is a really clear and meaningful definition. I know it is for me.

I can add some meaning I think:

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gay typewriter!

Well, those would be too cute.

Exactly.

This might be fun - a book with pictures! 100 years of olivetti typewriters http://issuu.com/bintphotobooks/docs/100yearsofolivettitypewriters Too bad I can't paste that in, but it's too fancy.