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i concur on everything except point 3... those "masters" have not mastered their human ego yet..

the tao that can be explained is not the tao.. as it is your concept of enlightenment is pretty immature..

ever wonder why the highest masters in the world are so hard to find? because they have developed their degree of spiritual and psychic potency to the extent that they find it extremely distressing for the polluted thoughts of the masses to influence their energy fields.. the highest masters are hiding somewhere in the Himalaya mountains or have migrated overseas out of asia by now.. so if you want to search, move to countries with huge land masses and very little people.. Tibet and Himalaysa might be good.. forget about the rest of china.. especially the chinese cities.. forget about taiwan as well... both taiwan and china have extremely high population densities and it is only likely that you find the highest masters high up in the mountains.. now i am not talking about wudang, ermei or shaolin masters.. even the current wudang, ermei and shaolin abbots pale in comparison to the highest masters...

2 sides to every story. http://forum.healingdao.com/general/message/10475/ From: Michael Winn Subject: General Date/Time 2006-10-07 22:05:30 Remote IP: 66.32.123.26 Message OK, Here we go again. Sean Denty, a lovely young,big eyed kid from Kalamazoo. Does some summer workstudy at Big Indian back in the late 90's until we move to Dao Mtn. Over practices with his sexual energy, doesn't balance it enough with meditation and grounding. Admits to me by email he is having problems, is way ungrounded. I offer a few suggestions by email. He decides to work with Ron Diana, iron shirt master. I am aabsolutely honest with Sean about Chia's strengths and weaknesses. He tells me at the time he respects what I'm teaching, even though he hasn't progressed very far in the system. But he eventually leaves, says it isn't his path, he needs to go on a quest for the Magus of Java, what do I think? I tell him go for it, let me know what you find. Now years, later, after wasting 4 years and big bucks chasing the Magus and getting nowhere, he lands with David Shen. This time, he has got to get it right, otherwise the Great Search has a bad ending. Now, a few days ago Sean begins posting on Tao bums about how corrupt the Healing Dao is, only made up formulas sold for money, a "complete scam". That Chia stopped studying with One Cloud at age 13. (Truth: age 19). That Chia made up the alchemical formulas for money. (Total falsehood, probably Sean Denty parroting David Shen, who is bitter about his failed relationship with Chia). Truth: formulas similar to HT formulas can be found, at least up to the Lesser kan & Li level, in print and in various Taoist and Buddhist alchemical traditions. All of these blatant falsehoods make we wonder if nice, sincere boy Sean Denty has been duped into believing all his stories, or just needs to support his new recruiting efforts by demonizing the HT and ascaring away the competition. Of course, it takes a few days of cynical prompting by the sharp group over at Tao Bums to pry it out of him: Only $7,500. (6000 euros) for a 2-3 week training - tuition only, in Denmark, to get the Foundation Training of how to open your dantian. And then more money to visit the Teacher in Thailand, and then after several years you will be introduced to the Teacher in China. And only if they look in your third eye and see that its your "fate" to study with them. Eventually, there is a hnt of the Big Teaser: Wang Li Ping walking through doors, get trained in levitation. That without these powers, you really haven't achieved anything spiritually. Nothing done here for money, no scams. Suddenly this $7500. tuition fee is described as "reasonable, of course, for the opportunity to start with a real master". And David Shen has improved his tale since we last saw him, and the details are recounted in a breathless style that is better than any romantic kung-fu novel I have read since the Wandering Taoist trilogy (a great read, but unfortunately completely made up. Ken Cohen recently confirmed to me Kwan Sai Hung was born in NYC as a Franklin Tan (?), Ken had seen his passport while they were sharing trainings). The David Shen story has gotten much better than his channeled tales about the iimmortal dajen. A secret hierarchy of masters in China, secret sacred dharma wheels that the Dalai Lama is begging to get back. But only the True Seeker need signup for this special $7500. opportunity - only for someone who knows in advance that they are signing up for Life Time committment with David Shen and his huge entourage of masters. Note: for the curious, Details of Wang LI Ping's meditation techniques have already been published for free in the Empty Vessel, by someone else claiming to be his student, but obviously not iinterested in collecting a lot of money. The methods detailed in those articles basically involve cultivating "lines" of chi into the Third Eye and then down into the body along the same lines as detailed in the Inner Smile (front line of organs, back spine, middle digestive line). Looks like perfectly good meditation techniques. Back to the $7500, to open your dantian. Of course, the caveat is offered that it doesn't really happen unless you practice 3 hours of meditation daily for the 2 years after the training and before you are taught anything else. But you'd think anyone smart enough to practice that much wouldn't also be dumb enough to pay that much to learn how to meditate on concentrating chi in the dantian. The wudang spinning pearl meditation preparatory to the orbit will do just fine. If you spend 3 hours a day on it you will not know what to do with all the energy that starts buzzing. And you will need the orbit to balance it in the body, contrary to the disinformation that David is iputting out, that the orbit is insignificant. (Perhaps in his new tradition - but why try to tell adepts of other paths/schools what works and what doenn't?). The $7500. however, makes me realize I am hopelessly non-commercial - you could buy my entire homestudy course series for about $1,500.......about the cost of a week at a low rent fat farm. Even though it will take 5 years to go thru it - the first time round. Of course, if you believe Sean's kung-fu romance, nobody but David Shen is real, so everyone else in the world is a waste of time and money. The big wide eyed kid from Kalamazoo is now the authority on that. Of course, I am having a bit of fun offering some sober distance on Sean's second hand story claims. I don't know what David's curent reality is - I heard he had finally allowed himself to have a stable relationship and was pursuing his life's dreams. Great - I truly wish him well, and hope it adds someting to the global spiritual science that will inevitably evolve from a synthesis of many traditions. Sean's recounting of David's listing of the Taoist internal traditions is one view (now changed from David's past lists, I note) - and other teachers and Daoist scholars I've met in China list them completely differently. But some of the cited details are interesting, even if only remotely useful to most western practitioners. I fully accept the most extraordinary feats are possible, even if they don't really interest me enough to make them the subject of my life's quest. Spontaneously arising special abilities are great - that is, a great responsibility to use them wisely. By the way, I believe Sean's teacher in Bangkok, Thailand - a master Luo - is credible. That's the " Sherfu L" word he is carefully concealing. I know from other people who are studying with him and think he is real. A woman I know tried to bring him over to the USA, and wanted my help. Didn't work out. He too used to work at Tao Garden...But you can get to him without paying David Shen $7,500...... I just hope that Sean resolves his anger about his past, and stops using his anger to dump on other teachers about whom he knows very little, despite his status as work-study apprentice in Big Indian many years ago. And I hope that Sean stops using his anger over what he failed to accomplish in his own HT practice to elevate his latest newest Teacher. Getting a handle on his emotional body is probably more important than him feeling a sparkler in his crown. The real lesson in all these romantic kung-fu novel tales - is that there is no "secret system" that REALLY works. It all comes down to each individual working REALLY HARD in whatever system they are attracted to - People work, methods and schools don't do anything alone. I wil be happy to have someone else pay the $7500 and share what they learned. This is the age in which all the secrets will come out eventually. Of course, we know the old psychology - once you've paid that much money, you've got to defend what you learned as incredible..... Incredibly Yours For Life, Michael

I know someone who is a native american shaman, hindu tantric practitioner, taoist sorcerer and zen buddhist at the same time. He is well-liked by everyone.

sex by itself is not bad.. it is a tool a function.. however it is the mental and psychic addictions to sex which are extremely evil and obstructive.. it is just like food.. you eat food to survive yet lots of people are addicted to food..

When you are procreating and have a family, the negative forces in the universe have too many ways of torturing through your children and spouse. Only a fool wanna cultivate and have a family at the same time.

just to let you all know, I am really sick of people making excuses for their lack of divine willpower in repressing the animalistic desires of sexuality.. sex can be used to transform oneself spiritually but how many of you are strong enough to harness the powers of sex without succumbing to its addictions? if you do not develop the necessary willpower to control or repress sexual desires, how are you gonna harness the power in the first place? let me quote again.. http://www.amazon.com/Dalai-Lamas-Secret-Temple-Paintings/dp/0500510032/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1301053184&sr=8-3 Tibet's Lukhang temple, a private retreat for the Dalai Lama established in the late seventeenth century, contains what was, until the Chinese invaded, a secret meditation chamber covered with a set of extraordinary murals. These murals present a host of figures engaged in the basic cycles of life or practicing Tantric meditation techniques in pursuit of inner transformation. Instead of rejecting desire as other Buddhist practices do, Tantra harnesses this intrinsically human drive and turns it into "boundless compassion." So powerful and potentially dangerous is this path to spiritual awakening, only the most enlightened of Tibetan Buddhist monks are initiated into the tradition. Tibet expert Baker's decoding of the murals' images and history of the Tantric tradition are cogent and deeply moving. In his introduction, the Dalai Lama, who was unable to visit Lukhang before being forced into exile, writes that many believe that the very sight of these paintings opens the viewer's mind to spiritual truths, and, indeed, their effect is powerful. If you are a serious cultivator, I suggest you give you sex initially to overcome your animal/human ego. And after you crushed your animal/human ego, then can you begin thinking about dual cultivation. Wanting your cake and eating it at the same time? There is no such thing in the world of spirituality, mate. Believe me, I tried it and it got me nowhere in my practices and I am now even being punished for it.

two rather high-level Taiwanese masters have taken one look at me and immediately shut the door on me.. when i called them up on the phone, they told me not to call them anymore or they will call the cops? wtf mate.. choose what? which door to what?

yet when one is training to be a master, he has to get some training wheels on his bike.. besides even if you do possess the power to be "free" of vibes doesn't mean you want to be in a population center where you have to exercise your shield everyday.. unless they pay you to be there of course.. lol

Once upon a time, the Creator of the Universe creates a world where all the devas and asuras were sent to live in. In that world, all the powers and spiritual senses of both devas and asuras were shut off leaving only the faculties of 3rd dimensional sight, smell, touch, taste and sound. During the year 2010, the Creator ordered some higher higher-dimensional beings to slowly awaken the spiritual senses and powers of both the devas and asuras again. But the devas and asuras have to find a way to live together in a world.. otherwise the world will be destroyed.. The asuras openly advocated free love because they can't learn to control themselves.. so despite gaining their powers and spiritual senses back, the asuras still remain in their old filthy habits of procreation and all the associated pleasures of the senses including food, entertainment, materialism, etc, etc... The devas on the other hand know better because deep down inside, they know that one has to control himself in order to evolve to the highest state of consciousness.. Soon there will be a war again between the devas and the asuras on what's the proper way to live life on this planet.. But who knows.. maybe the Creator of the Universe will step in and have the final say on the matter.. maybe he will send the Archangel Metatron to pass on the message that the way of the Devas will be the way and all the asuras will be sent back to burn in hell again unless they follow the way of the devas..

not really.. i only realized that when one finally realize what's important and what's not important in life, then he must do all he can to achieve it.. even go through suffering, pain and death if need be to achieve his goals.. and no, sex, procreation and women are hardly on my list of what's important.. in fact, they are off the list completely..

that the war is coming isn't the subject of my thread.. look closer we have totally different viewpoints

i may not have reached enlightenment yet but at least i have the blessed opportunity to learn what true enlightenment is.. true enlightenment involves the death of your human/animal ego so that your divine ego will flourish.. once your human/animal ego dies, you will NOT have the same animalistic need for sex which you once had.. clearly you are talking nonsense

pain and suffering is a part of life.. i am not a sado-masochistic who enjoys pain and suffering but the events of the past 2 years have taught me that when pain and suffering come, just take it as a test... you seem to be afraid of pain and suffering.. it is understandable.. your human/animal ego is still in charge afterall..

1000 is just a numerical figure.. a figure of speech.. what do you want me to say? a true warrior should sacrifice himself without fear if he can take down a whole world of enemies?

the true warriors are not afraid of death if their deaths makes numerical sense.. eg one of them dying in return for the lives of a thousand enemies

some of the most powerful spiritually people i have seen had training in a number of traditions and not just one..

yes i know about these otherworldly teachers showing up to teach 99% of the world's populations.. i also know about these otherworldly teachers shutting down some people's spiritual faculties AND instructing high-level human teachers not to teach certain people.. well guess what? the rules have changed.. i like to see what happens if the whole damn dinner table gets turned over upside down and all the food gets spilled onto the floor.. i wonder who is gonna clean up the mess huh?

It is funny .. why does anyone have to take my words seriously? Is your ego that fragile, Aaron, that you have to depend on others for validation of your own ego?

it is probably not the Creator himself.. probably one of his sons or grandsons..

btw too many chinese, japanese and korean teachers have developed an over-inflated sense of ego.. the type of sucking-up-to-teacher type of mentality so that he can teach you is totally unnecessary and is in fact counter-productive to spiritual training.. 5 years? i can do more with 5 months of research from the net and self-study from ebooks and dvds.. the highest teachers are ultimately non-human.. once you go into meditation deep enough and make contact with spiritual beings, then there wouldn't be a need for human teachers anymore..

de_paradise, i sent you a PM.. please read it..