bodyoflight

Aren't you two being a little too self congratulatory? Is that part of the path?

and what's wrong with congratulating each other on our mutual realizations of the new reality which we are in?

I guess after Saturday, none of us will have any more worries! :lol:

it should have bloody ended a million years before!

jeez and i thought you are so happy living life on this planet!

where are all the worries coming from?

:lol:

There really isn't. There are plenty of accomplished teachers all over the world from plenty of different lineages/traditions.

 

Unless you actually have contacts in foreign countries, with a destination and a goal locked in, you probably won't be doing much else besides wasting time and doing practices you could be doing in your own country.

 

When you have overcome the teachers in the states, let alone some of the teachers on this forum, THEN I'd suggest you think about going abroad. But if you get to that high a level, I'd think your path would be pretty clear already.

Carry on your searching step-by-step and jumping through the hoops!

I am done and going straight to the top.

Or rather..

I QUIT! I RESIGN!

*MIDDLE FINGER SALUTE TO THE INTERMEDIATE SUPERVISORS WHO HAVE ABUSED THEIR AUTHORITY GIVEN TO THEM BY THE ALMIGHTY BOSS!*

Indeed! Quite easy in the Ashram or Monastery, or for quite the period after leaving, but rather difficult in the world surrounded by people with sadly, low spiritual IQ's. Not to sound too damning... everyone has their manifest potential. The inherent potential of all sentient beings is of course Buddhahood. Of course, when in the place of auspicious mind, it's easier to stay anchored in seeing through all the fluctuation into the hidden potential of all beings and communicate and facilitate from the inner stance of tranquility and compassion, but the practice is to maintain that.

V

I can see you already understand where I am coming from.

I have to prostate myself in front of you for continuing the good fight to save the lesser souls but alas, I am not and will never be as strong as you are.

Maybe because I have not even saved myself yet.. so how do I save others?

P.S. Don't be influenced by those around you in your search for the truth..

Even if they are your partners, marriage, business or otherwise..

When you seek truth, it does not mean information, it means the feeling of "understanding" everything. It is not easy to get in such a state of mind. One way is to die, yes. But there has to be a rebirth aswell. If you can experience the moment before death and survive it, you will feel this truth, understanding of all. It places you in a position of awe for every tiny detail in your life.

 

With meditation this can be achieved aswell. It is the same with lowering your standards. Become aware of all the tiny lame uninteresting senses that is sub-conscious, make them conscious, become more sensitive, be more in the moment feel more alive and see more value in everything. Its like eating poop for 5 days and then a nice hot meal. Suddenly this meal is more valuable. Why? Because value is relative. We can increase the value of our life by increasing our sensitivity towards life. Increasing sensitivity towards life means you start slow first, closed eyes sitting meditation. Later your entire life becomes a meditation, your dreams become a meditation, even reading the newspaper becomes a meditation. You have total 100% control over the value of your reality, and thus have more freedom. Let us say that you read the newspaper and you have more control over your reality, or "focus of senses". Suddenly the bad news section turns your life in a living nightmare. Atleast thats something I personally expect would happen, but it does not have to be a common issue for everyone.

 

I don't see the point in depriving yourself of food and water competetively. It is not something that is a game or battle. It is a personal journey, and you can begin it now. Simply by living at the edge of your own boundary, not someone elses like a master or guru you admire. The most important amount of days a person can last without food and water is the amount of days that you can last without food and water, not someone else. If you die of starvation, you will first loose your mind and not even recall the near death experience? ITs kinda usueless then don't you think? The experience of living at your edge gives you a more clear identity, purpose, values, etc.

 

If you really seek the truth in terms of information I think the closest we can get is physics and mathematics. Those two make most progress towards a bigger more universal truth. How this truth is used by men is another story. But this kind of journey never ends, and some say that the beauty lies in this. You will never find the truth, for it will move away as you try to approach it, like your own shadow in summertime.

 

Its like you finally know "everything" as in you know the entire universe and then suddenly you find out that there are more universes or something... Beautiful, isn't it?

hahahhahahahhahahha...

ah well..

Odd. I do not recall in any of my studying and searching that the Buddha or Lao Tzu felt shame for beings who had less cultivation accomplishments than themselves. In fact the only responses I ever seem to clearly recall is that they had either A) compassion or B ) equanimity.

i am sure buddha and lao tzu felt really sick of lesser beings from time to time..

they just didn't talk about it..

The question is do you? Do you have the names of reputable tibetan teachers or organizations?

 

I take it you don't speak the language. Have you done any work at tibetan yoga practices? Do you have any contacts here who can guide in the right direction?

 

If you're not spending a couple hours at it now, methinks your an intellect overshadows your practice. And in the real world practice is all.

do i?

the answers are already in this thread..

go do your own research..

I found this in another thread. My guess is it aplies to you:

 

I used to hide behind Buddhism to deny my own needs, I was 26 (a bit too late) when I called bullshit on my own spirituality and just look for happiness like everyone else does. Took over a year before I'm comfortable with the person in the mirror and another year to really have a social life. Had a few very close platonic friends (platonic because they're not attracted to me) from the same social circle as my other guy friends, learned how to banter from them (important skill) and learned how to talk over the phone for hours (important skill #2). Once you're comfortable around women, everything just falls into place. I'm 29 now and have never been happier, also meditation is a lot easier now that my head is not as full of fuck as it did.

lol..

you are still judging your life by "happiness", "friends", "women"..

"bantering" "talking" skills are important..

"social" circles are important..

hahahhahahhahahahha..

i wish you will still be that "happy" repeating your life for the next few thousand lifetimes..

In that case, why are you spreading heresay on the net yourself?

 

 

Mandrake

you can choose not to respond or even ignore my heresies..

feel free to do so..

i think your spiritual ticket got stamped VOID with that statement.

what you think has nothing to do with my enlightenment..

I thought my name made my path obvious? Well, anyway... I practice Vajrayana. This might change the way you read my post.

 

In Vajrayana there are many levels to Enlightenment, the glimpse, the integration, the full blown grounded realization of light hearted awareness. Different forms of Buddhism present these levels of enlightenment in different ways. I practice Dzogchen specifically. I wouldn't mind coming to the realization of the "body of light" or "jalus" known as the "rainbow body" at the time of my departure.

 

I wish you well on your journey.

in taoism, there is a certain path called the self-recluse path..

it is the part where by the taoist practitioner gives up everything in search of enlightenment..

"Reclusive Training: This type of Daoist training is sometimes regarded as the higher path of the Daoist Right-Hand school of training. It requires the mystic to remove him or herself from society becoming a lone sage. After recognizing the flaws of ritualistic forms of worship and giving up the politically ingrained patterns of religious dogma, the mystic generally retreats to a cave for internal introspection. Although ritualistic forms of worship are essential for purifying the mind, any form of external oriented action can also keep the mind bound to the external world. Therefore, in the highest stages of Daoist mystical training, the individual releases all attachments to material objects (people, places and things) and spiritual powers (controlling the Elements, the Six Transportations of Shen, etc.) and strives only to attain "oneness" with the eternal Dao through self-introspection. "

this is what i meant by the difference in terminologies do not matter when it comes to true spiritual paths..

buddhahood to the buddhists mean enlightenment by self-introspection by the taoists..

mantak chia refer it as the dark room retreats when you seal off all light and other sensory information to find the inner light within..

the sufis do it as well.. spending time in solitary retreats to find the inner god..

http://www.amazon.com/Journey-Lord-Power-Manual-Retreat/dp/0892810181/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1305806980&sr=1-1

all mystical traditions possess such solitary meditation methods..

you were differentiating between buddhahood and enlightenment by your phrase "not all traditions are even interested in Buddhahood"

all traditions ultimately lead to buddhahood and enlightenment..

but what you meant was maybe ... not all people practicing mystical paths are interested in buddhahood and enlightenment..

you practice dzogchen..

i am envious..

i have not even started yet.. you are real lucky..

I think you may be right. But then I have a brother who had no family, no girlfriend, not many friends either. He would do pranayama and yoga but most of the time he spent on the computer. Eventually he ended up marrying. Curiously enough he found his wife through the internet from Brazil. So yes family life will take a lot of your time but it's only one of the distractions that prevent you from being in stillness for prolonged periods. I think conquering loneliness through meditation can be the greatest challenge and maybe impossible for those that aren't "chosen" for it. But I wish you good luck on your path.

you have to conquer loneliness.. it is part of the path..

i have tried to run away from loneliness from many years..

in the end.. it is the loneliness which i seek to protect myself from those around me..

the message is.. go conquer loneliness or be destroyed..

a strong message from the universe indeed....... too strong.. too powerful..

You may need to get a sponsor if you aim to go into a long retreat, Tsultrin Allione wrote a book about her spiritual retreat in the Himalayas but you can't expect to just turn up and be taken care of, she had a sponsor who paid for food to be taken to her remote retreat in the mountains to keep her alive and there is always the possibility of starvation if the weather turns bad for too long, unless you plan to live off grass until your skin turns green like Milarepa. Although each has to work out what is appropriate for themselves at the stage where they are at, for someone with a stable mature ego a long retreat in the Himalayas might be what is required, but for others it might drive them insane. Tsultrin Allione is generally praised for her bravery in going on such a retreat but personally when I see videos of her I see a haunted woman and don't see the radiance in her face and spark in her eyes that I have noticed in some other Buddhists, so I think honesty about where you are at may be more important than some dramatic extreme measure like spending half your life alone in a cave.

i am going for the basics first.. the foundations of stabilizing one's mind to fend off spiritual attacks .. then we talk about the long-term retreat next..

the town where i am going to be in is extremely small.. so that will qualify for remoteness..

You are ignoring hte fact that my teacher has spent for years inspecting the energyboddies of the highest tibetan teachers you can hope to find annd tens of thousands of hours inspecting the energy body of the lady he thinks is a buddha and he found hers to be of a significantly higher vibration.

i do not know who your teacher is?

i do know who the tibetan teachers are though and i am unlikely to change my point of view based on just some heresay from a stranger on the net..

You may need to get a sponsor if you aim to go into a long retreat, Tsultrin Allione wrote a book about her spiritual retreat in the Himalayas but you can't expect to just turn up and be taken care of, she had a sponsor who paid for food to be taken to her remote retreat in the mountains to keep her alive and there is always the possibility of starvation if the weather turns bad for too long, unless you plan to live off grass until your skin turns green like Milarepa. Although each has to work out what is appropriate for themselves at the stage where they are at, for someone with a stable mature ego a long retreat in the Himalayas might be what is required, but for others it might drive them insane. Tsultrin Allione is generally praised for her bravery in going on such a retreat but personally when I see videos of her I see a haunted woman and don't see the radiance in her face and spark in her eyes that I have noticed in some other Buddhists, so I think honesty about where you are at may be more important than some dramatic extreme measure like spending half your life alone in a cave.

it is practicing in solitude.. not just spending half your life.. and it doesn't have to be in a cave .. as long as it is somewhere remote..

You know were I am going? I am going to Tahiti. Seth Ananda, who I have a lot of faith in, says that his friend who has studied with Tahitian shamans says that he thought they had gotten further than any of the many indian, tibetan and chinese masters he had met. Ha said this was because when he loked in the eyes of the Tahitian shamans it looked as they were ambracing the whole universe whereas in teh eyes of the asian masters he did not see that. By the way tahiti is one of the worlds most sexually indulgent places. At least it used to be. Check out Seths posts to read about it.

 

Or you can consider comming to Oslo. My teacher spent for years in Tibetan monestaries and studied with the two Dzogchen masters that were considered the most advanced in Dzogchen in tibetan buddhism at the time. However, the woman who is now his teacher and whom he thinks is the only Buddha he has ever met lives in Oslo and does not teach formally only those she encounters in her life. He says that her vibration was significantly higher than that of any tibetan master he met and her aura differently coloured. He has sent tens of thousands of hours talking with her. He said that sometimes they talked for 16 hours a day. At the end of such days he would be drained but she would have more energy than at the begining and her vibration would have gotten even higher. I don`t think she has much siddhis and I think she is utterly uninterested in them. However, my teacher says she is the only one he has met that truly does not seem to feel any sense of seperationa and truly feels the suffering of others as his own. Norway has a small poppulation but she lived in Oslo which is a fairly big city. She was and is also married. She puts a lot of emphasis on embracing life completely like Tahitian shamans and would find your views escapist and motivated by fear and I think she would say anything buildt on fear is moving you in the wrong direction.

 

I don`t think I have met any woman that holds similar views as you but many men. I think that fact that your views are so exclusively male and has none of the views of the feminine in them is a clear indication that they are wrong because a view based only on yang or only on yin is imbalanced and never right. It is a good rule of thumb to aply as a check to ones thinking.

I have known a number of female spiritual practitioners..

the most spiritually successful of them all are .. unmarried.. have no kids.. and who completely dedicate their lives to true spirituality.. some of these successful ones remain in the outside world working as spiritual counselors/advisors.. some of them serve in temples..

on the contrary.. those spiritual practitioners who are married and have kids.. are prone to emotional tantrums and imbalances.. which inhibit their path to enlightenment..

you clearly do not know what you are talking about..

the age of change has arrived.. and man must realize that he can never find happiness through marriages and children..

man can never ever find true happiness in their other half..

this is a true fact which almost none can accept .. almost no one dare face the truth because...

no one possess the necessary courage to face the enormity of The Tao/The Universe/The Creator all by themselves..

I personally feel that it is an individual that leads them-self to liberation, but how they do it, and to what degree of speed depends upon the external conditions prevalent around that person, or what that person happens to find them-self around through their own efforts?

 

It's definitely easier in certain places and times to attain Buddhahood, simply due to influence. I mean, if you want to be a Buddha, you're going to want to be influenced by Buddhas. But, at the same time, not all traditions are even interested in Buddhahood. Some just want some sort of enlightenment as defined differently by different traditions, or elongation of their time in the body is considered an enlightened venture, or they want personal power and this is considered enlightening, etc.

 

So, one has to ask oneself what they themselves really wants, and why before choosing the particular path they trod upon to that end.

 

Ultimately the answers are within yourself, but again, it's true that certain environments are better for inner cultivation than others. This can change dependent upon a persons level of progression as well. Some may only need a monastery for a short period of time before it becomes a hindrance. Some need it their entire life and it's not a hindrance. Others need to be in the Urban life in order to integrate what they've learned in a monastery with regular people. Some monks need to drop their robes and get naked with a chick in order to go deeper within themselves or vice versa...

 

My 2 cents.

you are still applying the taoist methodologies of analyzing the monastic paths..

buddhahood is enlightenment.. enlightenment is buddhahood.. the differences in terminologies do not matter to the end-result of the true spiritual paths..

but.. even in tibetan buddhism itself.. there are people who practice tibetan buddhism for the sake of gaining a better job, a better spouse, more obedient kids, a better life... i know because i was one of them...

most people living in the cities do not want enlightenment.. as proven by the posts in this thread..

most only want sex, spouses, families, money, careers, good lives .. they want to be comfortable till the end of their lives and then die off..

this is why most turn to spirituality and the gods.. not for enlightenment.. but for gaining a more comfortable, better life!..

ask yourself, why do you practice taoism?

why do you practice qigong?

why do you practice meditation?

since the majority of the masses do not seek enlightenment but are in fact seeking a better life, then why would someone like me who is seeking enlightenment/buddhahood wanna stick around the mundane masses?

i will be sacrificing my own welfare, my own life and my own chances at enlightenment for every day every second i remain around the masses who are not seeking enlightenment..

There is nothing wrong with spiritual sex in the unity of love of yang and yin. Buddhist are loners or are they not.

the highest form of bliss is the individual spiritual union with the creator..

so what's wrong with loneliness?

loneliness will always be part of the spiritual path..

accept it embrace it .. like a lover..

if you can't see through the loneliness.. then you will never reach enlightenment..

one has to be comfortable to accept loneliness totally before one can become a complete human being..

At one time I was involved in Tibetan Buddhism. My reason for leaving was due to the fact that the Lamaist hierarchy convinced the true believers that doing prostrations in front of their throne was necessary. Their karma was better than the peons sitting on the floor in front of them. These guys received special benefits only because their system was created to benefit them.

I pity you..

is that all the lamas teach you?

just to prostrate in front of their throne?..

so really.. even if you prostrate in front of anyone.. what's the big deal with that?

does your ego gets angry at prostrating to anyone?

you know ralis, someone in here told me not to waste my time with you but i wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt.. i do not want to say what he said about you because that would result in my ban..

but this post of yours really points out to me..

your human ego is still blowing the trumpets of victory!..

Or maybe accepting all there is for what it is... with your mind and body free of attachment to it.

When you are at total peace with your inner and outer world, you can cultivate at the heart of New York City.

Or you can go to Himalayas if you need help with that. It certainly helps.

 

Still, it's hard to keep your attainment if you only are able to preserve it by removing the influences of the outside world. Let them try to do it while expending yourself to the size of the universe while fucking a woman with an open heart, and I will be truly impressed.

you are saying.. learn to fly before you learn to walk..

how about learning to walk first before running and flying?..

how about learning to expand yourself to the size of the universe first before trying that out with a woman?

but then , once you learn to expand yourself to the size of the universe.. what's the point of fcuking a woman then?

for your ego? to impress other people? to prove that you are superman?..

this post of yours proves that you are hardly enlightened..

You know were I am going? I am going to Tahiti. Seth Ananda, who I have a lot of faith in, says that his friend who has studied with Tahitian shamans says that he thought they had gotten further than any of the many indian, tibetan and chinese masters he had met. Ha said this was because when he loked in the eyes of the Tahitian shamans it looked as they were ambracing the whole universe whereas in teh eyes of the asian masters he did not see that. By the way tahiti is one of the worlds most sexually indulgent places. At least it used to be. Check out Seths posts to read about it.

 

Or you can consider comming to Oslo. My teacher spent for years in Tibetan monestaries and studied with the two Dzogchen masters that were considered the most advanced in Dzogchen in tibetan buddhism at the time. However, the woman who is now his teacher and whom he thinks is the only Buddha he has ever met lives in Oslo and does not teach formally only those she encounters in her life. He says that her vibration was significantly higher than that of any tibetan master he met and her aura differently coloured. He has sent tens of thousands of hours talking with her. He said that sometimes they talked for 16 hours a day. At the end of such days he would be drained but she would have more energy than at the begining and her vibration would have gotten even higher. I don`t think she has much siddhis and I think she is utterly uninterested in them. However, my teacher says she is the only one he has met that truly does not seem to feel any sense of seperationa and truly feels the suffering of others as his own. Norway has a small poppulation but she lived in Oslo which is a fairly big city. She was and is also married. She puts a lot of emphasis on embracing life completely like Tahitian shamans and would find your views escapist and motivated by fear and I think she would say anything buildt on fear is moving you in the wrong direction.

 

I don`t think I have met any woman that holds similar views as you but many men. I think that fact that your views are so exclusively male and has none of the views of the feminine in them is a clear indication that they are wrong because a view based only on yang or only on yin is imbalanced and never right. It is a good rule of thumb to aply as a check to ones thinking.

i don't really care what you think..

i am following a system of spirituality where there is an established record of practitioners turning into bodies of light..

do the tahiti or taoist or osho or new mexican or even the rest of the hindu traditions have as luminous a record as the dzogchen, sakya, nyingma and other tibetan monks?

there are successful cases of enlightenment in every tradition but none as numerous or as significant as the tibetans..

connect the dots and you will find no traditions as successful as the tibetans..

how big are they? how many successful practitioners are there?

how well do the different lineages cooperate with each other?

the different lineages do not compete with each other.. this proves that there is no ego within the tibetans as compared to the taoists who are always trying to compete with each other..

why are the tibetans located in the himalayas initially?

connect the dots.. and you will see the truth..

I know personally 2 European women of which one eats nothing and another did it for 2 years in a meditation reterat,just drinking some milk .No big deal and these are very normal women/human beings.People are doing it all over the world .In my opinion there has to be at least semi balance on the Earth for the life to continue so there would be masters -as you call them everywhere.

 

I have also met a Indian hermit living in high Himalayas in some cave who didnt eat/drink as the river froze most of the winter(got a skill out of need)an spend most time in spiritual practises/mediation got some powers.Astral travel and similar.

But when functioning in physical world he was super messed up and dissorienteted.When me and my mate visited him whilst on the terk -at some point he put on ski boots someone gave him on to go and pick some herbs(!) .And than spotted his hermit neighbour and start chasing him with the an axe.Later on within next 10 min we have discovered that this guy has serious emotional issues regardless of his continuus spiritual practise.Few months after he was taken down by police due to his violent behaviour.

Some hermit gossip ,food for thought.

Anyways Himalayas are very beutiful .Gold is right people can be racist and snobbish AND sexist,but also some people Ive met there are the warmest and welcoming people ever.

Do what you feel you gotta do,not what you think you should do always works well.

last i checked.. the tibetan monks are doing alright..

your hermit neighbour might be following the wrong paths..

i don't intend to mix with the indians too much.. only the tibetans..

This is called "spiritual materialism". It's a deadly disease. You are chasing the external lights.

 

In any case, go to India, it's OK. Report back what you find. I hear many of the people there are snobs, exclusivists, and sometimes downright racists. Many Indians still believe in the caste system. Maybe I am wrong and you'll get lucky. Go.

 

 

 

More is always better. Yes, that kind of thinking sounds familiar.

 

 

 

You don't have to imitate anyone.

what the indians are are no concern of mine..

i am staying away from the cities and living in rather remote areas..

Well this does sum up your lack of ability to achieve the highest level of spirituality. But then again your mouth only speak words filled with hot air. Body of light or a body that still needs cultivation.

i still need lots of work.. i have never denied that..

but only words filled with hot air?...

when i move to india, i will send you a report..

Here is an appropriate song for 'body of light.'

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp1ekcwPNfQ

by death or by turning into a body of light..

i WILL be out of here..

i have done enough spiritual work to guarantee myself a ticket..