Simple_Jack

Correction: Madhaymakas, assert that phenomena are non-existent on the ultimate level, due to their interdependent nature. 'Non-existence' and 'Existence,' are mere imputations. These imputations are based off of cognitive errors and do not exist when the wisdom of sunyata is fully realized. Science in general is based off of a materialist POV.

Correction: When I'm being aggressive or being a dick, I don't hide it. I'm up front about it 'Butt hurt,' can be substituted for sniveling. P.S. Your post just proved my point. Good day!!

I disagree. People on this forum, more than make up for it, in sniveling passive-aggression.

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Are you sure you're not mistaking it with Vairocana? He was a Bonpo, before being sent to Samye. Nope, I don't. Yet, it is pretty complicated, since he is supposed to be associated with some 'New Bon' material. For anyone that's interested, here's an overview of the Bon tradition: http://vajracakra.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=253

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"The five elements are inherent in consciousness; consciousness is inherent in the five elements. There are no levels of subatomic anything which exist outside the sadadhātu, consciousness, space, air, fire, water and earth." ~ Malcolm As for the Dhatu-vibhanga Sutta: Take note that this was spoken to a person who's karmic conditions for awakening were ripe. Also, that the person was adept at meditation, since this is referencing the 4th jhana when 'equanimity' is mentioned. The whole sutta is about realizing the 3 characteristics [anicca, dukkha, anatta,] the cessation of the 12-fold chain and overcoming the conceit of "I AM" to reach arhatship. "This being the case, one is not sustained by anything in the world (does not cling to anything in the world). Unsustained, one is not agitated. Unagitated, one is totally unbound right within. One discerns that 'Birth is ended, the holy life fulfilled, the task done. There is nothing further for this world.'...."'He has been stilled where the currents of construing do not flow. And when the currents of construing do not flow, he is said to be a sage at peace.' Thus was it said. With reference to what was it said? 'I am' is a construing. 'I am this' is a construing. 'I shall be' is a construing. 'I shall not be'... 'I shall be possessed of form'... 'I shall not be possessed of form'... 'I shall be percipient'... 'I shall not be percipient'... 'I shall be neither percipient nor non-percipient' is a construing. Construing is a disease, construing is a cancer, construing is an arrow. By going beyond all construing, he is said to be a sage at peace....."Furthermore, a sage at peace is not born, does not age, does not die, is unagitated, and is free from longing. He has nothing whereby he would be born. Not being born, will he age? Not aging, will he die? Not dying, will he be agitated? Not being agitated, for what will he long? It was in reference to this that it was said, 'He has been stilled where the currents of construing do not flow. And when the currents of construing do not flow, he is said to be a sage at peace.' Now, monk, you should remember this, my brief analysis of the six properties." Here's a link to his talk on this sutta by Bhikkhu Bodhi: http://audio.buddhis...m/eng/play/1123 And this from Bhikkhu Bodhi ["Transcendental Dependent Arising: A Translation and Exposition of the Upanisa Sutta"] can also be helpful to understand some priniciples of Buddhism: http://www.accesstoi...i/wheel277.html Reading and listening to Dharma, should be followed by reflection and meditation on the meaning (of the teachings.) This is from a person who has translated a bunch of Bon texts:

Found another thread from dharmawheel explaining the mind/matter dichotomy in sutrayana:

The sadadhatu are the 6 elements of: Earth, fire, water, air, space, consciousness (as Malcolm said in the above quotes.) I couldn't find a source (other than DW,) on the Sanskrit, but could find one for the Tibetan translation (which is khams drug) from rangjung yeshe wiki: If you can't find it on the internet you could find it in the abhidharma-kosha. Though, being that he's a loppon/acharya there's a reason why people trust the accuracy of his posts (would you prefer I find out from someone other than Malcolm, who can read/translate Sanskrit and Tibetan??? Such as Jnana from DW???) Here's something from the Pali cannon on the dhatu's:

I have examined the topic and I personally see no problem with what he's saying. I'm basing it off these posts: Since, I'm already somewhat familiar with the teachings of the skandhas and elements in orthodox Buddhism, his posts weren't hard to accept (or understand.) It seems to me that Creation, Jeff, and you are unfamiliar with these concepts, which is why there are discrepancies in understanding. For example like what was said in this thread: *Citta or 'mind' comprising the 6th element included with the earth, wind/air, fire, water and space elements.

As you know, according to Dzogchen: Each new universe is created due to the latent afflictions of the basis [the 'basis' referring to a time between universes] where as explained here:

From the sutric POV, the elements (which comprise matter, which is categorized as the rupaskandha) arise from Mind. *Concerning formless realm beings, this is what Malcolm says:

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