Brian

BTW, CO2 lags temperature for an important reason. The complete lack of curiosity about this detail is striking.

So "we don't know but it's wrong"?

So I ask again, what is the proper temperature for the Earth? Seems a critical question if we are going to "get this right."

Remember when I speculated on whether the Church would ignore him or destroy him? Heresy cannot be tolerated.

Yes, this is what I was talking about.

Trying to be patient is like acting sincere.

Reminds me of a t-shirt I saw: "Not sure what your problem is but I bet it's hard to spell"

No worries! The politicians are going to take care of all these problems, TaoMeow -- just as soon as they get control of enough power and money. They've promised.

We are doing horrific things to our environment. The entire surface of the Earth is a custom-designed O2-CO2 reprocessing system yet we are devoting unimaginable amounts of time and money to that one molecule (CO2). What we are doing to the oceans and swamps and aquifers is far more troubling. The use of Roundup on food is far more troubling. Honeybees are far more troubling. Heck! CRISPR is far more troubling. We have LOTS of really disturbing things going on related to our environment and the biosphere but the politicians and mega-corporations want us to focus on CO2 so...

It's far more than one, BTW. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/07/nobel_laureates_emperors_new_clothes_speech_about_global_warming.html

"One bad scientist," is it? Bad as in naughty or bad as in incompetent?

The sun warms the Earth.

From that report: In 2012, 49 former NASA astronauts and distinguished scientists wrote a letter asking Administrator Bolden to stop using NASA to push radical global warming theories. They warned that NASA’s “advocacy of an extreme position, prior to a thorough study” puts at risk “the exemplary reputation of NASA, NASA’s current or former scientists and employees, and even the reputation of science itself.”

98% of those people paid to say CO2 unquestionably causes global warming and the planet is doomed unless we surrender power and money to politicians say exactly that. I know! Shocking, isn't it? To preempt the predictable "well... NASA says...", I'll point out that NASA has repeatedly been caught falsifying data related to "climate change" as well. This isn't surprising, though, since they are no longer an agency focused on space science and engineering but on climate change. https://capitalresearch.org/article/nasa/

In real scientific work, scientists employ the scientific method and things like falsifying data are frowned upon. In real scientific work, those scientists who point out fraud or challenge the status quo are applauded rather than being labeled "contrarians and deniers." Those paying attention to such things are less likely to swallow a hook.

Oh... The Church isn't going to like this... It will be interesting to see whether he is destroyed or simply ignored. I suspect destroyed -- heresy cannot be tolerated.

I got the "time limit" message yesterday, trying to edit a post to fix a typo about two minutes after posting it. A refresh fixed it. I've never gotten the "BANNED!" message, though. (Heck! I've never even been suspended...)

Thoughts and prayers for the people of London tonight

"Some 51 per cent do not believe that Muslim clerics who preach for violence against the West are out of touch with mainstream Muslim opinion."

That "feels" more like the sporadic logout thing people were experiencing early in the migration. Hasn't happened to me in a while but sometimes a refresh would "fix" it (and sometimes I'd have to log back into the forum again).

Not to my knowledge...

You (or the guy who wrote that blog) are correct, BTW -- a carpenter's level will not be much help in identifying a gravitational anomaly.

Just to expand on this a bit more... "Down" is the direction I feel the force of gravity pull me. This is typically but not necessarily (and not always) along the line connecting the "center of mass" of my body to the center of mass the Earth. "Down" is a relative and perceptual thing, though. Remember that gravity is a force and the effect of that force upon a massive body (whether a particle or a person or a planet) is to accelerate that body in the direction of greatest decrease in potential. We perceive gravitational force as "weight" but we also perceive other accelerative forces as weight, too, and we -- perceptually --don't distinguish between them. Turns out it isn't just that we don't distinguish between them but that the distinction is illusory. This was a pivotal element of special relativity -- the idea that an accelerating elevator and the pull of a planet are indistinguishable. So, gravity is the attractive force between masses (which, according to relativity, is a product of the distortion of the fabric of space-time, but I digress) and it acts along the line(s) connecting the masses. The magnitude of the force is proportional to the magnitudes of the masses (one mass doubles and the force doubles, the other mass triples and the force triples) and it is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between the masses (move the masses twice as far apart and the force drops to one-quarter, make the separation only 1/3 what it originally was and the force increases nine-fold). OK, so... Now we have a ball on a slight incline... Gravity pulls just the same. In theory, having the ball near a mountain alters the direction of gravity (moving "down" slightly) -- and this is, in fact, reality (we are using this fact to do some pretty awesome measurements) -- but the practical reality is that everything we perceive keys off that fundamental "down is the direction gravity pulls" definition so it doesn't really matter whether the incline is a mountain or a tilted piece of plywood. What does change, though, is the freedom of motion of the ball. The ball is constrained to move along a surface. The pull is "down" but the surface prevents the ball from moving in that direction. The ball tends, instead, to do the next best thing -- it moves in the direction which offers the greatest decrease in gravitational potential. Mathematically, this direction is the "gradient" and you calculate it by differentiating the potential field across the surface. Strictly speaking, the gradient points "uphill" and the negative of the gradient points "downhill." This is the direction the ball starts rolling -- downhill.

If you are talking gravity as perceived by an observer (which I think we are), "down" is the proper word. "Down" is the direction I feel the force of gravity pull me.

Most definitely. I actually made money off one -- I was driving with a friend along a stretch of road, a steep incline with a dip in it that was almost flat but still slightly uphill. It looked like it was downhill but it wasn't.