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Hi there! In my humble opinion(no truth offered at all): If you really want to reach a high level of Gongfu cultivation you would need a genuine Master and there are also closed Daoist schools like Shaolin warrior monks etc etc. Qi is nothing, Gong is everything in my opinion. And high-level Gong requires inner cultivation of your mind and meditation anyway(soft Qi Gong). You would do good to check out the book Zhuan Falun(Falun Dafa cultivation school) for real truth about Gong Fu cultivation. The book link is here: http://www.falundafa.org/eng/books.html Wish you good luck!

As far as I see it the only way of knowing where one will end up is to practice orthodox cultivation. Only then can one visit the heavens during meditation and as high as one climbs to at the point of death, that is where you will go(and belong) because that is your level. Obviously, if one does not do anything like that one has to focus on either being a good person(provided one believes good is rewarded with good and evil is rewarded with evil) or if one has no faith in anything of afterlife one forgets everything and follows the trends of modern society.

You will not be the first one trying this trick and you will fail, it is guaranteed. And FD is no cult and can not be infiltrated since the FD cultivation is up to the person himself. In fact the CCP has sent tens of thousands of infiltrators to Falun Dafa during more than a decade sincethe persecution began. Infiltrators are exposed in no time and run off quickly. Why? If you are not genuine the other practitioners will see that straight away, many cultivators can read your thoughts too. Most practitioners have cultivated 10-15 years during very harsh conditions and reached extremely high levels and know the Fa by heart. There is no secret in FD, it is just very hard work and nothing else. You will find nothing but very good and powerful people. In fact, at this stage it is almost impossible to become a genuine FD practitioner since the first phase is almost finished. Everyone knows it too and only very special people can enter geuine cultivation now. Feel free to try your "trick" if you wish, I can not stop you. My sincere advice is that you keep a friendly attitude to Falun Dafa and its principles of Truthfulness-Compassion-Forbearance. Drop your bad thoughts. A "cultivator" who wants to "infiltrate" another school of cultivation, has he any of those three basic qualities above? Is his heart pure? Has he eliminated his attachments including his wordly pursuits?

Thanks Immortal4life. I try to assist you here. Eddan is the central scripture in the Nordic religion "Asatro". It is a polytheistic religion with many Gods, and Odin is the highest. The myth holds that the Nordic people reincarnated from Asia to Scandinavia and hence Asia is the center of focus in Asatro. One believes the highest wisdom comes from there and that the rectification of the world will come from Asia(the river "Slidr" from the east). It is very fascinating to say the least. They also predict an eternal winter called "Fimbulvinter" in Scandinavia during the last three years before Ragnarok(judgment). English link: http://www.cybersamurai.net/Mythology/nordic_gods/LegendsSagas/Edda/ProseEdda/ContentsEnglish.htm Asatro is still practiced by some people. From my earlier post above: In the Nordic religion "Asatro"(which means "Asia belief" in English) - there is a "river called "Slidr" coming from the east to rectify all evil and Slidr means "God-Li-He" translated from the ancient Nordic language.... The Poetic Edda - the prophecy of Voluspa: 36. River falls east through venom dales with scissors and sword; Slídr is its name. Note "Li" in the name Slidr. In my post above we learned that the sole survivors of Ragnarok would be "Lif" and "Liftrasa". Always "Li" is included.. The city of "Falun" in Sweden has a name which was originally derived from a local river also called the "Falu river" running through the city... See the resemblance with the river Slidr in Eddan. The "yellow river" this Falu river is also called in ancient legends and this river has given name to the city of Falun. The Falun Dafa emblem has a yellow center swastika and it is whirling like river water in the form of the swastika. Furthermore the famous wheel of the divine in the bible is said to make sounds like from water flowing... http://www.falundafa...tro/0-falun.htm That local Falu river in local tradition is said to "divide the city of Falun into a divine part and a horrid part"... It is said nothing can grow on the horrid side of the city(there was a huge mine on that side in old times) while the other side of the river is flourishing with nice houses, plants, flowers etc... Speaking about judgment and good people being separated from wicked people. In fact the city of Falun has judgment included in the legend of its local Falu river.... Some links to Falun Dafa and Li Hongzhi from the various Nordic legends and the ancient religion Asatro here would be: Asatro - Eddan - Slidr - Lif - Liftrasa - the yellow river of Falun splits the city of Falun into heaven and hell - the double treasures of the city of Falun in the legend "Brorslotten(The Lion Share)" by Nobel prize winner Selma Lagerlof - the Falun Dafa symbol and its similarity with the typical Falun city red color and the yellow river splitting the city in two halves - The copper mine(first treasure in the legend of Falun) in Falun shut down in 1992, the same year Falun Dafa(the second main treasure of Falun, the big secret of the city of Falun in all the legends) was introduced to the world - the complete prophecies about Falun Dafa from Emanuel Swedenborg - the family farm of the "Swedenborgians" exists on the eastern divine side of the city of Falun and is a tourist attraction. The links are many and overwhelming and they are too obvious to me, the more one researches the more one finds. Maybe it is no coincidence that Master Li visited Sweden as one of the first western countries in 1995 to spread the Fa there. In fact he just visited extremely few western countries and now resides in the US. It seems nothing happens as a coincidence.

Thanks Immortal4life for your kind words. I know for a fact that self-complacency will lead to more obstructions in my cultivation path so I will try to take everything lightly, positive or negative feedback. Anyway, since last time I researched a bit more about the legends of Falun and the old religion of Eddan. Who will survive the end of days called "Ragnarok" according to Eddan: In the place called Hoddmímir's Holt there shall lie hidden during the Fire of Surtr two of mankind, who are called thus: Líf and Lífthrasir, and for food they shall have the morning-dews. From these folk shall come so numerous an offspring that all the world shall be peopled, even as is said here: Líf and Lífthrasir, | these shall lurk hidden In the Holt of Hoddmímir; The morning dews | their meat shall be; Thence are gendered the generations. ___________________________ Note that the name "Li" is included in the survivors names. It does not take much to speculate that it means those who believe in Li Hongzhi will make it through. And they will generate a new civilization in this world. Now compare this tale with the legends of the city of Falun(the first treasure according to legend was the copper mine and the second one has been a secret throughout the ages. 1992 the mine was shut down and Falun Dafa was introduced to the world..): "When the real treasure of Falun is found(by two twins or a twin girl it is said) it will generate as many houses as there are pebbles along the road of Falun." Hence we are talking about a new civilization there too generated by the city of Falun. We have spoken about Swedenborg earlier in this thread. It turns out his family farm still exists on the eastern(the divine) side of the city as a tourist attraction today. Swedenborg was very active in the copper mines of Falun since he was the chief expert of mineralogy(and much more) in Sweden.... And Swedenborg made an allegory where he said "Falun is situated in the east"... Of course the city of Falun is not in the east side of Sweden. He meant something else.. What are the odds that Swedenborg(considerring everything he said) of all places in the world has ties to the city of Falun? I find it amazing. All feedback is welcome!

Welcome to the forum!

You ever tried Falun Dafa? It includes many Daoist teachings but still belongs to Buddha Fa Qi Gong. I first started out with Tao Te Ching etc but later started with genuine Dafa cultivation. The book Zhuan Falun and the exercises are appropriate to get a brief intro to the practice: http://www.falundafa.org/eng/books.html http://www.falundafa.org/bul/audio-video/audiovideo_video.html Falun Dafa is all free of charge which is pretty unique these days.. FD also is global nowadays and there are practice sites in more than 100 countries.

In FD it is said that karma can be transformed into virute by suffering mentally or physically. Since our karma usually is massive we must transform it mostly by suffering mental losses while raising our xinxing(and at the same time raising our Gong level). But physical pain plays a role, yes.

Maybe but I have heard about people who had no pain in Lotus before FD but it came after they started cultivation... It is exceptional I believe if you are cultivating FD and still has no pain after a few hrs. Since genuine cultivation is about shedding attachemnts you will get pain until you let go of every attachment, desire and emotion.. Otherwise you would have no reminder about the remaining path to travel... I know a girl who can sit for several hrs in double without any pain, now she is doing FD and we will see how it goes.

Well ,we are all different and I never recommend anyone to follow me... I just want to hear how much pain others take during Lotus practice and not discuss whether it is good or bad.

I can only talk from my horizon. If you want to get some free of charge advice with a theory and exercises, try Falun Dafa: http://www.falundafa.org/eng/books.html http://www.falundafa.org/bul/audio-video/audiovideo_video.html Observe that the main issue in Falun Dafa is xinxing(virtue, mind quality, tolerance, endurance etc) cultivation, and the exercises are just there to strengthen the effects. Good luck!

Meet your persecutors with compassion, never fight back or argue back when they do their bad stuff. Think strong righteous thoughts and clear away their bad thoughts. In a short while you will see how they will stop harassing you and wonder what happened... The reason for this can be that you harassed them in an earlier life and now they are getting even. Just accept this and things will settle down soon. Following the course of nature is a good way of life I find.

Welcome Bob!

Welcome!

Welcome!

I guess we have had vivid discussions here about this subject in other threads.. For myself it has been a blessing, a new purpose of life, new energy, real health, serenity etc etc. As for the supernormal stuff I do not focus much on it but yes, third eye opened, multidimensional experiences, gods, angels, demons etc etc. As for my son, he got to the point where he could do much more. Falun Dafa is all about improving xinxing(mind, mora character, virtue, tolerance, endurance etc). The exercises are just to realize the effects after your xinxing improvement. Without xinxing improvement it is just like doing gymnastics.

Short answer: Find the Dao and become a true person, your true self breaks through the shell of your karmic postnatal notions and takes over your whole person. That true self is your main spirit and it is benevolent and has no attachments or notions to anything. It just observes with curiosity like from a child. To achieve this you will need to eliminate your attachments to human matters and your existing karma accumulated over several lifetimes. Not easy but can be done.

Welcome to the forums! /Zhen-Shan-Ren is good, Falun Dafa is good.