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I agree about the storehouse of karma not being up in the clouds.. Karma sits on your body around your virtue substance. Virtue is more finegrained(the finer virtue particles the higher original level/status as I understand it) than karma and always is closest to your heart, hence the saying he has "a good heart". The more karma you accumulate the more it wraps up your virtue substance and the less enlightenment you have since karma nature is against the character of the universe. How can you pay something "forward"? What do you mean exactly? Your words are confusing to me(I am a physicist so I like to make sense). If you have a debt either you can pay it now or later(with interest). It does not matter how you do it, you need to suffer when you decide to pay it off. Therefore a wise man will start cultivating the same day he hears the Fa since he knows time is limited and debts are usually big... Some people think that if you kill someone and ask the Lord for forgiveness and then forget it, it won´t affect you in the future. Well, cultivators have their reservations. If you don´t get retribution in this life you will get it in your next life since the universe will force you to pay back all your debts. The universe is a place where common sense and logics means everything. As I see it many people "believe" things and have "wishes" but there is simply not any substance(in logics or in nature) for those ideas. The first time a man with his third eye at flesh level looked through me he told me exactly how much karma and virtue I had, where it sat etc etc. All of what he said made sense and matched my medical record too... Since then I paid back some karma. Karma is a real substance and the Buddhist monks sit in double lotus meditation partly to suffer and pay back their karma(transform it into virtue after taking the suffering), the other reason is to raise their Ding level. Everyday people eliminate karma by becoming sick or suffering accidents or hardship in life. The true reason for disease is karma, it does not disappear for no reason. Doing good deeds accumulate virtue, you are right, so Buddhist monks do good deeds to accumulate virtue. Virtue is the fuel for Gong so without virtue you have nothing. Again, everything in this universe is very logical according to mathematical rules. In another dimension every action you ever did in your life is recorded, after death you will see every deed you did from a higher dimension and whether it was a good one or a bad one. I give you a simple example about karma. Are you flexible in your body and can do double Lotus for a long time? All genuine cultivators in Dafa must be able to do it, otherwise you are no real cultivator since your karma is too big to reach a high level. If you are stiff and can not do double Lotus even if you practice stretching for a few weeks, that means you have great karma debts. Girls usually are much more felxible than guys and can do double Lotus quickly or immediately. Why is it so? Girls generally don´t fight or harass people, they don´t take as much drugs and are generally more quiet than guys. Hence their karma is smaller than the guys so they are better people - on average.... When a guy starts cultivation usually he lags behind the girls because of his wrongdoing in this life(and sometimes earlier lives). After a few years he can gain back the deficit since he usually can suffer more hardship than the girl can do - on average of course.

No I don´t think Dafa is the only great system, many Master-single disciple systems are great as Master Li has pointed out. Also the public version of Dafa is weaker than the secret Dafa Master Li has been taught from his Masters. However, I believe Dafa is the only public system who can bring you towards the high level druing this period of time, historically I believe there were many other good schools too. I am not sure if you refer to Buddha Fa Qi Gong or the Buddhist religion. Anyway, no other public cultivation school has a theory as complete and exact about the structure of the universe and the higher dimension logics, as I see it. The scriptures from Master Li about the universe and the cosmos surpasses anything I have seen. /Zhen-Shan-Ren

My time in this thread is up. I thank you for your time, effort and attention here. If you want to PM me some specific questions you are welcome to do so. At my wisdom level I believe my actions will decide my future. /Truthfulness-Compassion-Forbearance is good, Falun Dafa is good.

Hi there and welcome. First, about the apocalypse, it is not so that Dafa cultivators are guessing that it an apocalypse is coming like some religious people have done in the past. You need a high-level third eye to see it in other dimensions. All Dafa cultivators exercise their body 2 hours per day including one hour in double Lotus meditation. How many religious people(ie Jehovas or other Christians do not even have body cultivation) do that? In Dafa you cultivate yourself to an incredibly high level by your own effort and then you can see the space-time here from up there without being affected by our time dimension, you can see the celestial change of the earth, you can see the future here just like you look at the sky with your two flesh eyes. So to such a cultivator this is a fact and nothing else. Seeing the apocalypse coming and not telling people is not compassionate to everyday people. Telling people about it and being called a nutcase by some and being thanked by others - that is a reality. About your last statements there is no bearing for them at all. A cultivator knows all too well to be tolerant, compassionate towards everyone, whether he is black, white, yellow, homo or hetero, technologic etc. What is key for the cultivator is to not do karma-generating stuff or have any attachments tol anything(including fame, gain, technology, sex, food&drink, comfort, mental pleasure etc), just act without intention. Ie doing things like drugs, crimes, homosexual acts will generate karma and destroy your cultivation level. The life of a cultivator is way stricter than an everyday person who can do whatever he likes to. A cultivator looses all his attachments over time and in return he can enter higher and higher dimensions and raise his Gong level and go into a very high level of Ding(stillness). All attachments are bringing noise to you and lowers your Ding level and hence your Gong level.

In case you think that I insult you I excuse myself and kindly ask you to show where I did that so I do not repeat the mistake. Everyone enlightens to his truth. You have your truth and I have mine. You say I go on and on here but is it not so that some users just come back and back to me with more questions about Dafa etc? Should I not answer anymore? Maybe you are right, this thread has had enough from me soon... Truth is, either you believe some people have supernormal(inborn) powers that can be unlocked and that they can see other dimensions and our future from those dimensions where our space-time has no effect. Or you don´t. As a cultivator of any school one really should believe in these abilities being a reality. If we really are to have a judgment, won´t the higher dimensions have it before us? Yes they will and those cultivators who can see them can see how judgment is done there since most of those dimensions already had their judgment. It is not only mankind who became corrupt in the universe, also many higher beings became evil and they have already been rectified. I could give you a bunch of prophecies about Dafa and the judgment from all major religions. Religions were right about this coming event, although not very clear on the details. The thing is, some people do not believe in any such things anymore. I do. I am not here to scare people, I only urge people to think seriously about it and how bad you think mankind can become before someone up there decides to rectify us. We can absolutely not save this earth by ourselves as we have no divine power whatsoever to do that. A person´s quality is judged according to his amount of karma. His amount is just a number and a fact in the other dimension. Of course the attitude towards becoming a better person is crucial too when it arrives here. Everyone can eliminate karma by suffering. All genuine cultivators do that every day and know about it. Welcoming the Fa-rectification is not to underestimate.

You write many things, I have no time to reply to all of your statements but I pick a few. I can only speak about myself and will not say anything about your opinions and emotions about others and divinities, that is your business. To conclude Dafa disciples will slay 1/3 of the world´s people(the most evil ones) in this dimension is nothing I could talk about. It is all up to the Lord Buddha to decide what happens and the bible text is an allegory - one has to reach a high level to understand the true meaning of it and prophecies are only pointing in a direction and could often not be understood in clear. If you were a genuine Dafa disciple you would know what sending righteous thoughts mean in reality -cleanse your own dimensional field and other dimensions from all evil beings interfering with Dafa. A genuine cultivator does that 4 times per day and it is considerred crucial to make good progress in cultivation and assist the Fa-rectification. The Fa is very clear, Swedenborg too - Falun Dafa will create a new angelic heaven and form a new earth, it will separate good people from evil people. Dafa disciples will create a new angelic heaven and the remaining good people on earth will form a new earth based on the Fa principles(Dafa will be the New Church on the planet and the old ones will be eliminated). Evil people will be eliminated, that is a fact and a rule of this universe, whenever someone becomes too bad he is eliminated since he is going aginst the laws of the universe(Zhen-Shan-Ren) and himself(he was also formed by Zhen-Shan-Ren). During the last 50 years mankind lost all contact with Gods, ethics, morals and now we are approaching the crucial moment(the judgment). Many people can not be considerred humans anymore and they do all kinds of evils and some believe they are some kind of Gods etc, many are possessed by demons or even incarnated such beings. Karma is not something superstitious, it is a substance in another dimension. Whoever has more karma is a more evil being. That is a rule of this universe. I can only say that I believe that whatever you and I think we will experience the Fa-rectification soon and when it comes - either you are the change or you approve of it, welcome it or don´t. That is your personal choice and each choice gives a certain consequence. I always recommend people to welcome the coming change. Falun Dafa is all positive and it is restructuring the cosmos(according to Zhen-Shan-Ren) and the new cosmos will be much more amazing than the old one. Self is something that will not exist like before in the new cosmos. PS: The current situation of the cosmos and mankind - Li Hongzhi: http://www.clearwisdom.net/html/articles/2010/9/21/120157.html End times prophecy: > Notes by Ge An is a prophecy by a Korean scholar and astronomer Nan > Shigu (1509-1571). During a childhood encounter with a sage in a Korean > mountain, Kum Kang San, Nan heard the prophecy which he was to later > turn into a book. Notes by Ge An was unknown for nearly 450 years until > 1986, when a Korean scholar began to investigate the books content. By > the end of the 1980s, the book had become very popular in South Korea. > > The book states that a sage named Li will start to teach the Great Tao > and exercises in Changchun (a city in northeast China). The book also > alludes to Falun Gong, the Falun Emblem, as well as the persecution of > Falun Gong practitioners in China. In addition, the prophecy says that > Li's teachings will encompass all the various teachings present during > that historical period of time. > > *Below are some excerpts from the book:* > > 1. The sage mentioned in the book is named after wood (Li in Chinese > means plum tree). He has the sign of the Rabbit (born in 1951), and he > is born in April of lunar calendar, just north of the 38th parallel. > > 2. This sage is said to be the king of all kings in heaven. People will > refer to him as Buddha Maitreya when he descends to this world, as he > teaches the orthodox Tao. > > 3. The 'Three Words and Two Whites' mentioned in the book refer to the > three characters, Zhen-Shan-Ren (Truthfulness, Compassion, Forbearance). > The 'Two Whites' refer to the 'White Heart and the White Body,' i.e. the > cultivation of Xinxing (mind nature/moral quality) and the > transformation of Benti (one's physical body and bodies in other > dimensions). > > 4. The book describes the Falun Emblem in great detail. > > 5. It mentions that Falun Gong has the effect of 'clearing circulation,' > 'small clearing circulation,' and of 'unblocking the passages and > channels.' > > 6. The book clearly indicates that Sage Li will start his teaching in > Changchun (Changchun means 'green forest' in Chinese). > > 7. In the section A Statement about the Dharma Ending Period, the book > predicts that in the summer, on July 20th, Falun Dafa will be persecuted > by evil forces. > > 8. The book mentions that after enduring the tribulations, practitioners > in China will see 'daylight in the future.' > > 9. It clearly indicates that after some years, the Chinese government > will change its policy against Falun Dafa (the Great Law, the laws and > the principles of the universe). > > 10. Those who persecute Dafa will perish forever, and the day when > hundreds of millions of practitioners all over the world celebrate will > eventually come. The book warns people, however, to not turn away from > Falun Dafa because of temporary tribulations. Those who leave Dafa will > perish and those who follow will prevail. > 11. The Fa that Sage Li teaches is the orthodox Fa, which is flawless. > The book clearly points out that people should study the Fa and read the > books more. > 12. It says that the sage will not live in the capital city, but rather > travel to the west. > 13. The time for the sage's teaching will not be long. > 14. Falun Dafa practitioners will not escape from prison. They will have > to suffer the tribulation of harsh jail terms. > 15. The book clearly states that even though they are suffering great > tribulations, most of the practitioners in China will be like 'birds not > leaving the branches.' It will be hard for the government's vicious > slander to change people's mind. > 16. All religions during this period of time will no longer be > effective. The only 'way out' is to attain the Dafa; praying to heaven > everyday will not take you a single step towards heaven, chanting > 'Buddha Amitahba' everyday will not lead you to the Paradise of Ultimate > Bliss. > 17. The book describes important historical moments one by one. It also > tells when the Dharma Ending Period will occur. People of the Dharma > Ending Period will be destroyed by a 'strange disease.. > > 18. The book emphasizes that the key to the cultivation practice is the > cultivation of Xinxing (heart/mind nature, moral quality). > > 19. The books also states that all the events currently happening in > China were arranged several thousand years ago.

You may want to check out exercise 3 from Falun Dafa. It has 4 rotations around Dantian. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUMJcsoDls&feature=related

Forbearance is just one meaning of Ren in the principle of Zhen-Shan-Ren. Ren includes tolerance, patience, endurance, forbearance etc. The Chinese symbol is a knife and a heart. It means you should put a knife into your heart(and eliminate your karmic self). Dictionary - forbearance: 1. The act of forbearing. 2. Tolerance and restraint in the face of provocation; patience. See Synonyms at patience. 3. The quality of being forbearing. 4. Law The act of a creditor who refrains from enforcing a debt when it falls due. At my level that means something like how big your heart is in the face of opposition. Lipworks count for nothing, real life acts are everything.

Sorry for the delay in my response. The number of the army of the horsemen is given in Revelation Cptr 9:16: Quote: 16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. I am not inclined to lying and hope I can stay as truthful as possible at my level of wisdom. The link between this number of 200 million horsemen from the Lord and the predestined number of Dafa cultivators is just my understanding and nothing official in any Dafa teachings. Everyone has his own truth at his current wisdom level. Contrary to what many think the Master provides theory but you yourself must enlighten to lots and lots of things along your cultivation path.

I am happy as long as you think Truth-Compasion-Forbearance is good in your heart. As long as you do that you will think Falun Dafa is good too, no matter what you practice. Wish you all the best.

You have to take some mental pain to advance, that is key in all cultivation. What does a feeling count as in heaven?? Nothing. Get over it and eliminate those feelings. If you maange that you will get to a higher level and be much more comfortable. Breaking your leg is a physical pain, something completely different than mental pain.

I have a tip to all people wanting to achieve full Lotus. Start out with Indian style, try to get both knees down to the floor. Push about 10 minutes per day. Every day. When you achieve that you go to half Lotus. Same story, push your left knee down 10 minutes per day. Every day. When you can keep your left knee down for a minute or so against the floor, you migh be ready to try and pull up the right leg. In my opinion, 3-6 months should be enough, in some cases 1 year is needed. The importnat thing is to be able to take some pain for 10 minutes every day, that is enough. If you are more than 50 does not matter, everyone can do it. The feeling when one achieves the full Lotus the first time is very special. Of course, I recommend mind cultivation in Falun Dafa, the cleaner mind with less attachments you have the easier to flex your legs in my opinion, it is a supernormal principle I find.

My friend, I try to think about what I do and less about what others do. If I act without intention and keep calm, balanced and compassionate in my heart at all times, that means my cultivation is doing progress. I am not Master Li and can not understand what his realm of wisdom is like. I very much doubt any other human being can understand it. From a common sense perspective I find it very important that he stays alive, writes more scriptures and continues to inspire his disciples worldwide to raise their levels as much as possible before the World Fa-rectification arrives. Wish you good luck in your cultivation.

If you are caught by the police you are bound to have done something improper(ie not considerring security issues, thinking it is cool to go to labour camp etc etc) that caused the police to react and catch you, that is common sense. Your attachments(showing off, competitive mentality, pursuit, talking too much etc etc) will cause you to do bad things. That is why all cultivators seek to eliminate their attachments, to stop doing improper things that generate karma. As I see it any person doing genuine orthodox cultivation(there are other orthodox schools than Dafa, I respect every one of them) never would sign such a paper no matter what were the consequences. If you are signing that paper you tell your Master that you are afraid of dieing and ready to renounce your cultivation for a worldly matter. Anyway, you can come back to cultivation but the signed paper leaves a stain on your cultivation path. If you are really killed in labour camp, would you not achieve consummation after you showed that kind of determination and faith in your Master? What happened to Jesus and what were the real reasons for him being nailed to a cross being a cultivator saving sentient beings? I am not saying Seth had poor enlightenment quality, I do not know him and his situation. I talked about a general situation where you have 100 million cultivators at all kinds of levels. There are conflicts between different people at different levels and some people have difficulties handling these conflicts. If someone likes Dafa after one week, that does not mean he or she will succeed in cultivation, does it? That is merely a start and the journey is long and exhausting. One week means nothing although a good start is always beneficial. Saving sentient beings is a personal matter, it is important but there is no absolute rule about it. How can an old person living in a remote place, meeting no people save many people? Everyone has a different character and some save a lot of sentient beings, others don´t. Usually cultivators by being very good people etc let their family members see the power of Dafa and then their family members are saved since they become very positive about the practice. Also the health of the family members usually becomes stronger as the cultivation level is raised and their energy field is bigger and bigger. About predestination it is said in the bible there are 200 million predestined cultivators in this world(the original deal was changed so only 100 million are allowed to cultivate as I understand it). Saving sentient beings is something different. Those people will not practice cultivation, they just like the principle of Zhen-Shan-Ren and Dafa and hence have a good future. I must tell you, nobody can be recruited to Dafa. Each one that arrives to Dafa and then continues to cultivate by him/herself every day at home does it because they believe in the supernormal power of Dafa. Many of them operate autonomously and cultivate completely alone. Once in a while they speak to other cultivators but the essential cultivation is done by yourself alone in everyday society. Dafa has a different logics(from other dimensions) compared to everyday society. Many people analyze it as being a cult, sect, etc. As I understand it Dafa offers a complete toolbox for each living being to reach other dimensions and reach their inborn potential. It is all up to you if you are prepared to do the hard work or not. Nobody will give you any Gong without you working hard on yourself.

The reason being you have sent a piece of your virtue to the person you defeated and he sent a piece of his karma to you in return. To win in cultivation one must loose and let others win. What we loose is bad stuff(karma) and what we gain is virtue, xinxing level and Gong.

Cultivation is very serious business. If someone is caught by the police and taken to labour camp that happens for a reason(their attachments are the reason). Nothing is coincidental. If you are handed the options of being killed or resigning your cultivation by signing a paper, what would you choose? If you want to become an Arhat, can you be attached to life and death? You can not. The persecution is a serious test for cultivators and it is all arranged from other dimensions. I am sorry that you have personal issues with other people like me or Master Li. I wish you all the best.

Exactly, you are right, and although I am not sure who they were it is said by Master Li that they all had their Masters and Sakyamuni reached the highest level of all human beings in ancient history. Another issue that I came to think about now is this: Only the cultivators that save other human beings have the right to form their own paradises. So in the history of mankind(before Dafa) only Sakyamuni and Jesus saved people to their paradises. The cultivators that came after them could only reach to the level of their Master(Jesus or Sakyamuni) and hence Tataghata level has been the maximum for human beings. I guess that means the Masters of Jesus and Sakyamuni must have been higher than Tataghata. That is a reason Buddhism is a higher level religion than Christianity. It also coincides with Swedenborg saying that Asian people have the best inborn quality with their divine language and semi-divine culture of cultivation. I read in the Veda or elsewhere that there will be 100 Buddhas cultivating among the Dafa cultivators. Hence these exceptional people must come from Tataghata level or higher.