ॐDominicusॐ

hard to explain..... the subjectivity/observer/awareness is permanently there no matter what, even in deep sleep ........however, the Oneness, is also there .....but perspective/position/thought ...various factors effect the relationship between Awareness and it's Source. Sometimes, I am subjective/observer/awareness ...and sometimes there is only the Oneness .......at this point it's either one or the other, yet they are inherently linked like a glass of water and a lake. When the Oneness is not there, this brings up various vasanas to let go off in subconscious spring cleaning ...in the One, there is Only that, nothing apart, everything included, yet no me there anymore. Words are difficult and paradoxical to explain this

Yes, perspective changes from pure subjectivity with mind, or no mind, or merging with One, where everything is One thing, also allowing empathic perspectives of everything, fly, another person, dog, etc ...but it's everything at the same time, yet crystal clearity. Well, it's both for me, at this point, and sometimes just one, or the other. At times, I am pure subjectivity, connected to a physical body, sometime floating outside of it and seeing other realms, and sometimes, when merged in the One, I am no more and the physical body is in the One and not apart from it.... ...The One however, is the primal building block foundation that underlies all, it's always there no matter what..... it's been stages for me, but I get what your saying ...in the One (permanent stabilization) ...your above quote stands What about consciousness knowing itself in both the absence and presence of objects simultaneously? Also wanted to add the story of Adi Sankara.... basically made Vedanta popular/re-established we can say. He was debating various others on philosophy, eventually a woman debated him on sex, but he did not know that much about sex because he was living celebate ....so anyway, he left his body, and took up the body of a kind who had just recently passed away, reanimating the kings body and going back to the castle where he slept with the various harems, gaining the sexual experiences necessary to be able to come back to his own body to properly debate the original woman about sex. If the story is true, then there would appear to be a subjective consciousness, and also it's source

It's the exact same way for me... There is an Awareness, an Observer in the head, which is not the Object, but is the purest form of Subject. Only difference here, is that this point of "Me" also at times leaves the body, floats around, is non-local, I have remembered this point of Awareness pre-existing prior to the Body being born, and get this ... ....in surrender, this point falls into the chest area, and there, like a drop of water falling into the Ocean, is no more ...then there is Only Oneness everywhere and nowhere.... ...matches up for the most part with what Tibetan Ice says

Thanks for the welcome.... Feels like the right place to Be

Yes Consciousness is all pervading and Non-Local ....Imagine if you took a tiny piece of Infinite Consciousness and entrapped it in a physical body. Ultimately it is still connected to the rest, while at the same time maintaining its "tiny pieceness" paradoxically speaking. Pure Subjectiveness I refer to is the Inner Observer ...which is subject not Object. It initially has a location and presence, and upon resting as that, expands and finds the source of itself... Let me look into to this Yoga Nidra.... I remember studying a little of it many years ago Yes, Everything is One thing, and there is no me anywhere ....all beings are One, as is everything. There's no difference between a chair or a fly or a human or a dog ....it's like all perspectives and no perspectives at Once Let me reinvestigate the Samadhi's to have context. If I recall, was it Wallace that described them, possibly Watts? Got google anyway, will get back on that. But to leave some food to snack on, I think it's all the same anyway, just different cultures, words, languages all speaking about the same things. Granted I'm sure many paths only go so far. In my case, I read a Koan, wrestled with it for 15 minutes, then in a split second instant, I shifted into the Observer and saw that the thinker of thoughts is Object, not subject. This brought a HUGE WAVE of relief (to make a long story short, since a kid, I never felt right about being here, and it was because the ego is artificial) ...so with this relief, I took a sigh of relief and relaxed, let go ...and in that relaxing, letting go ....Me as Subject/Observer ...dropped deep down into the chest area where I vanished, and there was a Oneness there ...with no me anywhere in it....like a drop of water I vanquished in the ocean. Well to the mind this was "It!!!" ...Soon as the mind proclaimed ..."This is It!!!!" There was a re-solidification of the Subject/Observer back in the head area, and a mind to make retrospect comments about what just happened. Regardless, I saw that he Observer/Awareness is prior to the ego/mind, and that the Oneness is prior to the Observer/Awareness. I went on to lose these states with the mind spending a couple years trying to play catch up in understanding all this. Regardless, years later I was with a Advaita admirer who was totally sitting in Awareness prior to ego/mind, and he just sort of got close to me to tell me something, and in that closeness, his Awareness was like a candle, lighting mine back up re-establishing the Observer state in me..... in was interesting to see that this could happen. I would then go on to see that the Ego/Mind has it's source in the Heart, and when deep sleep happens, is where it goes to hide (in a sense), then upon waking, it come out of the heart, up through a Nadi, and take's it's place in the head where it's constantly projecting illusion over reality. By holding on to a single thought, you can follow, as the Observer, the thought into it's source, which coincidentally the One is there as well, and this can also completely extinguish the ego/mind ...I've had times where I needed to be shaken out of this state to eat and dispel fluids by others. Ok so I found this: Yes I've seen this to be the case. Being dissolved in the One, brings eventual permanent stabilization of that state, and eventually the Vasanas are no more, as all is seen as Illusion, including the body. Ok ....so still much more to go "Says the mind which associates itself with the kevala state".....

I think the kundalini stirs up eventually anyway, that was the case here and for many others I know who have realized state of No I 3. I think "it does" due to various reasons ......a very skillful subtle and sensitive intellect may be required to intuit aspects of the inner realm. I was working with a woman for year on these things, and no matter what approach I used, she just kept remaining wrapped in mind ....finally she decided to "take off" and just roam the wilderness to see what happens. I think it's karma, the strength/tendencies of the mind, lack of introspection, there are sooooo many key factors ...fear is a BIG one Well technically, there is "no one" doing it without a guru ...the does is an illusion. I'm saying all this Enlightenment business is just deeper levels of realization and peeling away(letting go) layers of illusion ...and then what remains when there is a complete unknowing, is the Absolute. Discussions can be tricky in Vedanta

Hey Guys, Been lurking here for the last 4-5 years, but just recently joined to contribute to threads. Anyway, I don't really have many questions left in my life, but this one I have always wondered about. Before I got deep into Taoism, Zen, Advaita ....I was a general Mystic, Christian Mystic, and Universalist studier ...of things. This is going back almost a decade now. I had heard of a Sufi Master being in town on the West coast and went for a 3 day retreat to sit with this person. I had studied some Sufism and found that they were also speaking of merging with the One, the Absolute, .....blah blah blah it's all connected anyway in my perspective. So anyway, I go over there, and we do lot's of sitting practice, mindfulness, warming/stirring/opening the heart, submitting the ego/mind in surrender to the heart. It was cool. I enjoyed it and had some experiences with the heart, insights, realizations. So day 2 of 3, I go back to my hotel room, and in the middle of the night (I always sleep on my stomach) I wake up to find a subtle person, astral being, something, basically standing on my back/shoulders not allowing me to move and telling me to submit. Granted I freaked the Eff-out over this and started various prayers/mantras of protection and this being left, freeing me to move around. The next morning, I went back to the last day of the retreat and the Sufi master says, "There are plenty of teachers around us right now, past Sufi masters who have passed on, all part of an ancient lineage, all around us right now helping us to submit ......and I was like "DAMN!!!!!! I Just experienced One last night!!!". Granted I have since experienced various Beings and things of the afterlife and what not, but the question I wonder about the most is this ...... If all those Sufi Masters eventually merged into the Absolute and had all detachments let go of and attained, let's just say, an Enlightened state, why were so many of them still hovering around attached to the next master in line and working with people from the other side? I mean, I can see/understand the whole Bodhisattva aspect of this .... ...but the other part of me is saying/thinking ....in Enlightenment, your done, you are no more, there is only That ...it is seen that there is no need for anything in a sense, all is illusion, and Buddha nature is ultimately inherent in all. I don't get the sticking around part of that lineage and wanted to see what your guys' opinion is on the matter

Yea, the whole "lineage" thing .... I totally skipped it for a reason. It's unnecessary. If you have the understanding and subtle intellect of what Vedanta says, then the whole lineage thing doesn't matter. BOOM!!!! It's an instant realization and Beingness. The whole lineage thing can be another trap/trick of the mind, more search, and the teacher has to be so and so, and from a certain country, and gender, and grace, and this and that ...where does it end? Granted lineage may have basically 1 beneficial attribute: Kundalini. As you read accounts of Maharshi's visitor's, some will say that when they locked gaze with him, their whole body was as on fire and their consciousness expanded. Still that can be had from 100's of kundalini guru's and various other's. I don't really see Vedanta as needing a lineage of Guru's .... Grace, Realization, Enlightenment can happen anywhere to anyone who longs for it, asks about it, and learns.....

Tell that to an average Joe, and they'll look at you like your a crazy madman speaking chinese. I hear where you are coming from, and sure from that perspective, it is that way ...but there are ways to go from nowhere to now here ...as guru pitka put it so nicely. In my experience, there is a Subjective Awareness that is Spacious and located in the Head, it is prior to Ego/Mind/Thinker of thoughts. In Surrender/Letting go ...this Subject, drops down vertically into the One, where there is no more Subject. because there is only the One and nobody there to experience it. This vertical drop was discussed by Ramana and Adi Da, amongst various others as well. What happens, is that to many, the One is realized in an Instant, and the intellect fails to comprehend the speed and details of what has happened and how..... and so we end up with statements such as yours ...which by the way is true, but the average mind can't necessarily do anything with it (also a point, transcend the mind) ..... ...for me it was a Koan ....15 minutes of wrestling with it, and then a shift from Mind/thinker of thoughts, to Observer of Ego, then from Observer, to Source of Observer ....merged into Source. Many other sign posts along the way, in particular sub-conscious spring cleaning ...ever ongoing, various energetic channels opening up throughout the body ....it's so much more than can be said really

Been on the path for a decade now, various experiences glimpses, have advice about a few things, but still owrking out the "enlightenment busniess" although it's rather simple ......started of Christian, mystical experiences happened so I became a Christian Mystic, came across Nonduality (Advaita) ...read a koan, and that koan was enought o me Thrust me into the Tao, State of No I, etc .....so "Christian Mstic Nondualist" ...blah blah ...how about no labels

I've 3 sources for you that are legit/genuine, albeit the terminologies and methods may be a little different, once you wrap your head around the systems, they are legit. 1. Anadi. www.anaditeaching.com/ 2. A.H. Almaas www.ahalmaas.com/ 3. William Bodri http://www.meditationexpert.com/ Be careful because a lot, if not most, Advaita Guru's basically do one of two things: 1. They stop at spacious Subjective Awareness/Consciousness, and that's it. Anything they tell you, is to get to this and that's it. or 2. They realize the Subjective Awareness, and then the Absolute after that. However, the intellect/mind, failed to realize the details of how this happened, and so they take on the view that "There's no One there, and there's nothing you can do." Technically to a degree they are right, however there are things that can be done for these realizations to take place. In my experience, just like what Ramana Maharshi spoke of as far as that Atma Nadi, and Awareness dropping down into the heart, this has been the key for me. I've realized that it basically works like this. 1. The thinker of thoughts is seen as not I. (Various techniques for this) 2. Awareness(subjective) is established) 3. Awareness surrenders/Let's go and as a result vertically drops down through the Atma Nadi into the heart, where the One is, and Awareness (like a drop of water) merges into the Ocean of One. 4. There is also a Nadi leading Awareness into the Dan Tian quite possibly for another aspect of the Unborn Absolute, but I am not that far yet. Have only tasted of 1-3 above.

You guys should see the tulpas created from porn and lust ....there are oozing massive giant balls of them all orgying up each other, all based on the minds of porn/lust addicts ....if your third eye is open you can see this... it's all subconsciously created

"scared" "me" "I" "Fear" "My" "Meaningless" ....all projections and ideas of the mind ...you are not the mind. Just like the thought of a rock is not the rock; so who you think youare, si also not who you are. The personal story is an illusion as is the projection of the mind that what will remain will be "a lifeless boring empty shell" What replaces the personal story is the ever present crystal clear Now, pure freedom, Absolute Beingness, transcendence, Beyondness, Love, compassion, the list is longer and all positive, compared to remaing the way you are now, which leaves a short list with all negatives (based on desires, suffering, and fear) Projection of the ego mind. The fact that there is a part of you that is aware that this is taking place inside, reveals that you are not that projection. This is the beginning of wisdom, becoming aware of the illusions and projections that the mind creates "Letting go" comes in stages. 1st little things, like stupid bad habits, or limiting tv time, or giving up certain sweets. Then they get bigger, i.e. forgiving little by little. Then letting go of beliefs, then the idea that you are the mind, that you are the body, etc etc. It's progressive. What has always helped me is, "Why should I be attached to any of this when there are VAST UNIVERSES and Black Holes beyond comprehension revolving above my head!!!!!"