Jetsun

As I understand it from a Fourth Way view rather than Taoist it is about Yang energy, in the sense you build up the momentum and unity while you are alive to continue after death of the body. A bit like a boat on a river if you build up enough power, sense of direction and lack of friction then boat will continue down the river for a time through momentum after the motor has given out.

Most democratic governments are reactive rather than proactive most of the time, its not about Wu wei but about trying to be popular

She probably isn't the sort of Qi power master the op was looking for but I thought I would mention her as someone who seems to have access to a wider source of power. Some say she is a living Avatar, I was initially dismissive until I met someone who was so strongly impacted by her that she was practically in tears every time she spoke about her, so I was convinced I should be a bit more open minded. Yes Alexandra Palace on 21-23 this month, its free and anyone can go Will do

Me? I am going to see her for the first time in two weeks time

Practically you don't want people to be going through extreme Qi reactions when they are doing things like driving and operating machinery. But I think the people who got the healing were looking for it so it is a sort of karmic consequence of seeking what they need, also I think you needed to hear the masters voice and to be open and not resist for it to work.

Yeah infinite power to do anything is only for a god. There are individuals with extraordinary power like Dr Yan Xin who could heal groups of over 400 people at once with extraordinary powerful Qi healings who were within the same building or vicinity as him, but as far as I am aware it was beyond his capability to heal entire towns or countries, so there were limits even for him.

People like the Amma, the one who hugs everyone, say they are plugged into the source of the universe. If you see her darshan she often hugs people non stop sometimes for over 48 hours straight and in all the videos she never looks tired and is always full of love, then she goes and sings for a few hours after. And she has been doing it for over 30 years so that energy must come from somewhere most regular people don't have access to.

You think the deuce is bad you should see what happens if you happen to stand next to one at a urinal. When a level 72 sneezes it registers as a small earthquake and when one farts it has such force that it can part the sea, which is how Moses led the Israelites to safety to escape the Pharaoh.

Hopefully for the good of humanity one day he will be allowed to return to public life like he used to healing hundreds of people in one go and working with the top universities again.

Oh I believe that video is true, I just think its a huge leap of faith to conclude everything in the books is true because of that. Do you really think that blind kung fu masters shooting fire balls at each other for days on end destroying swathes of forest is not likely to have been an embellished mythologised story? Come on get real, its like something straight from a fantasy script for a film, they should have added some dragons and orcs for full effect.

Who said it doesn't apply to Gurdjieff thought?, in his writings he purposely mythologised some of it so you have to really deeply question everything and not take anything said at face value, especially anything he ever said. There is no need for the sort of blind religious faith that you guys have for Mo Pai.

Reality is that it involves a HUGE leap of faith to conclude what is written in those books is all literally true just because of a couple of videos on YouTube show a few skills. Its not a logical or rational conclusion.

Intelligent people often have so much of their self worth and identity tied up with their mind that it can be more difficult for them to break free from their belief systems as to do so threatens their sense of self.

We are all deluded which means we believe things that are false to be true, but I think you have a good point which is why I think it is good to combine meditation with some sort of enquiry method, this is the way it is done in many schools of Buddhism and in Taoism it is probably needed even more urgently if all that is being done is energy work. You could do all sorts of things with energy like gathering it and storing it but if the mind has free reign then it will create all sorts of stories and beliefs out of that extra energy, where it is wasted. But if the rising energy isn't wasted in deluded beliefs then the energy will turn back towards the heart instead of being absorbed by the conceptual mind. One of the best methods of enquiry anyone could do (although I doubt she is popular here) is the method of Byron Katie, because if done with enough sincerity and persistence it shows you that for every thought and belief you have the complete opposite thought and belief is almost always equally as true, so after a while it becomes obviously stupid for you to give too much reality to any of your beliefs. The habit to do so is still strong though which is why it can be good to combine enquiry with meditation like they do in Zen. The problem is that most will back off before they take enquiry to its depths with sincerity because they fear that life will be meaningless and their lives pointless without their beliefs.

One who resides in emptiness may have thoughts and beliefs arising but they arise within emptiness and don't define it, so a person doesn't have to give them any more importance than clouds passing through the sky. There is a consciousness not defined by the thinking mind which can still operate in the world through spontaneous reaction to the present moment, it is the belief systems themselves which try to justify their own existence and say you need them for your survival, many of them act more like parasites who try to convince you first that you are them and secondly that you need them, neither of which are true

I would carry on with Spring Forest Qigong then, you wont find much better than that, if you are overly concerned with the Small Universe then do the active exercises first, but if you do the Small Universe from the recording or cd and don't add anything or even try to do much with it except move your attention to each place with the breath you won't go far wrong, but just trust your body.

I think wounding like being made to feel worthless or insignificant is the other side of the coin of wanting to be special. One aspect of love is the fact that your whole being can never be completely trapped in such a dynamic

No thanks

According to wiki only two people (Padmasambhava and Vimalamitra) in history have attained the rainbow body before death

Maybe people need to keep inventing techniques in order to keep themselves asleep and prevent their spiritual awakening "Any technique or system keeps the person in the vicious circle, because it is trying to heal what is fundamentally an illusion." - Jean Klein

If you want to be blown away go to see the Avatars, Mother Meera and Amma (Mata Amritanandamayi ) travel to most continents regularly, its just a matter of effort and travel costs, they don't charge for their services

I will ponder on what you say but that isn't the way I perceive it at the moment, perhaps that will change. But in my current experience it is perceived as something else wants to wake up, while my ego patterns are only concerned with things like conflict, asserting themselves, self glory etc, whereas there is a silence or spaciousness behind all of that and permeating all of that, which is the only constant in the whole thing. The ego patterns try to claim my identity but they are always impermanent so they can't be "I", so for them to wake up means their destruction in the recognition that they are not me and don't have any constant reality beyond thought, so I don't see how it is them who want to wake up. Although ultimately there is only one thing so to make a separation with your ego patterns is ultimately a false distinction, but until things are perceived from that oneness permanently it can be useful to make the distinction because one of the tricks is that the ego patterns try to claim credit for the whole spiritual process to try to elevate themselves and give themselves more reality than they are due, so at the moment I don't get anything out of giving them credit.

In my experience the conceptualizing mind arises within "nowness" not over it,

I do this regularly now, I have read it is good from a few different sources like Dion Fortune to help absorb things you have picked up. But I found if you go the whole psychic protection route it can mean you focus on the fear and paranoia which makes you feel more vulnerable. Regular exercise can help and just doing something to focus your mind on positive things before going to sleep like reading a good book, avoid the computer and phone before sleep.

I have tried many different methods over many years, the most powerful I probably found was the White Skeleton meditation by Bodri/Master Nan. The other is the Spring Forest Qigong Small Universe. Both are easy to learn and don't need initiation. I dont really do any energetic methods any more though, I do get energetic healing from an expert but when I do it myself it always seems to come from a place of trying to change myself in a sort of attempt of self improvement, which I don't think is a healthy approach to spirituality as it comes from a place of non acceptance and just strengthens that place of wounding and separation . Just beeing in stillness seems to create energetic changes naturally anyway effortlessly so that's what I do now.