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I heard someone say that many Taoists were too worried about their enemies gaining their knowledge and masters were too worried about loosing their income to open up and spread the teachings more widely, so then when the persecution came after the Cultural Revolution much knowledge was wiped out as it had been kept too secret for selfish reasons. While Tibet was somewhat unique in that it was largely cut off from the rest of the world and the whole country was pacified and not in competition so the teachings could be spread without much fear. But now the Tibetans have realised the hard way that they can't stay in isolation and have to spread the teachings for the good of all rather than keep them for themselves, some even say that what has happened was a punishment for not spreading the teachings more widely so now they have to learn from their mistakes which is why you now see Tibetan Buddhist masters giving empowerments and teachings on a big scale sometimes hundreds of people at a time. But unfortunately for the Taoists it is largely too late as there are not many legitimate lineages which have survived. We have to hope the new masters don't repeat the same mistakes and keep the teachings too exclusive or charge too much money. Mo Pai isn't adapting too well to the new world so I wouldn't be surprised if it dies out or becomes overly diluted within a generation or two.

It is going to be pretty difficult to learn the 6 Naropa's without getting into Buddhism a bit, although the aim is to liberate you rather than trap you in a religion. You can get a good taste from the book "Bliss of Inner Fire", but the longer path involves many years of preparation, something this this series of books My link will explain the path at the beginning but we are talking years of things like prostrations, mastering the basic meditation states and purification practices, then you would need to find a master to empower you to practice the more powerful tantra.

The context of the quote is that Peter Senge is talking about a moment in his Anapa meditation when his breathing appeared to completely stop, Master Nan suggests that stilling the mind and noticing the gaps inbetween the breath can help bring this about. During a sitting meditation if one can fill his lower body and then the four limbs with Qi, followed by the cessation of breathing in the nose, one will then experience the state of Xi. To be aware of the Xi is to be aware of the interval during which one neither inhales nor exhales. In the beginning, the interval, or the Xi, is brief. With correct practice, the duration will gradually extend and the mind will settle down as well. When the mind arises in tandem with the Xi, you will feel the Qi, that energy, all over your body. Samadhi is attained only through the union of the mind and Xi

I thought the reptile stuff was ridiculous (although the Queen did seem cold blooded) but then I was reading about the Indian Sage Nagarjuna who is probably one of the greatest Buddhist scholars and masters in history and apparently he obtained many of his greatest teachings by going to the land of the Naga's where he healed some of them and in return he was taught the Perfection of Wisdom Sutras as they had been lost from our world and thus founded the Philosophy of the Middle Way, which is why he was given the name Nagarjuna. So maybe their land exists in some sort of different dimension close to ours, or maybe some of them are still knocking about the place or maybe I have just been watching too much Conan. Which reminds me I need to try read the Flower Ornament Scripture again "Wherever the Flower Adornment Sutra is found, the Buddha is to be found, and also the Dharma and the Sangha of Worthy sages. That is why when the Buddha realized proper enlightenment, he wished to speak the Great Flower Adornment Sutra, to teach and transform the great masters of the Dharma-body. Since this sutra was a sutra of inconceivable wonder, it was then concealed within the dragon's palace for the dragon king to protect. Afterwards Nagarjuna ('dragon-tree') Bodhisattva went to the dragon's palace, memorized it, and brought it back."

What are you looking for? If you are looking for enlightenment or just spiritual progress from my own perspective just from the statistics you are better off looking at Tibetan Buddhism as there are a large number of lineages which have consistently produced spiritually advanced students over many years, so the proof is in the ability to transmit the teachings consistently from generation to generation. Whereas I am not aware of any teachings even available from Mo Pai or aware of it's ability to transmit the teachings. Jim McMillan said pretty much the same thing you are better off studying towards learning the Six Yogas Of Naropa and it will bring as much or more than Mo Pai, the path was completely systemised by Lama Tsongkhapa in the fifteenth century to be able to follow in a uncomplicated linear way with the early stages available to anyone so you don't have many of the barriers in your way which Mo Pai puts up.

Why do you want them to be other than what they are?

You can see the result when a master tries to use energetic defences on an MMA fighter

I think any practice where you feel like "you" are the one doing it can enhance your ego, which is why I don't put any stock in forced or contrived methods. I have done all sorts of practises over the years but as soon as my I or ego claims to be the one doing the practice then it stops being beneficial as I am just enhancing my illusory sense of control rather than letting go of it; which is why a lot of Qigong methods only improve your health and don't do much for you spiritually because many of them are forced and contrived. Only a few simple methods I have found seem to be immune to being hijacked by your ego such as resting your mind in emptiness, but even that is hard to maintain for any length of time.

Go to RyanAir website, they don't fly to Helsinki which is why its cheap but the airport is about 1 hour 10m from the venue. The costs mount up with these trips but from what I have seen in the UK there aren't many people if anyone teaching this sort of healing so travel may be a requirement if you want to learn anything above basic TCM

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"Max has been on public radio interviews abroad, examined by the scientist of Beijing psychic research institute in China on the positive effects of this unique system" Does anyone know what the conclusions of these tests are or know if it is published anywhere ?

I haven't seen any evidence that you can push people away with energy if they really want to attack you, I agree with your conclusion that the person has to be in rapport with the person. I have seen evidence of distance healing and energy transference but I haven't seen anything to say this can be used in a practical physical aggressive or defensive way.

Do you mean psychoanalysis? because Psychotherapy is still widely used and in demand, it is a very difficult job though which requires an amount of natural ability and character.

This has already been done / being done at the moment, look up the Mind and Life institute and the tests they did on people like Mingur Rinpoche, certain areas of his brain were so active the scientists thought their machines were broken. In one test they showed that in just 8 weeks a novice meditator can improve the activity of the left frontal cortex of their brain by 15%. They are already mapping out how these practices mould and change the brain and which areas are affected. So the brain is certainly changeable and I have heard one Qigong master say that you can influence the genes if you go deep enough to clear out the storehouse level of consciousness it fundamentally changes a person.

There are all sorts of things people incorporate into psychotherapy these days, things like Sensorimotor Psychotherapy, Bioenergetics, Core Energetics, mindfulness, integrative body mind psychotherapy. I would expect there are many therapists who teach their clients Taoist "relaxation techniques". I don't know where you live but in the UK there is the Karuna institute http://www.karuna-institute.co.uk/ which teaches a mixture of Buddhist and modern psychology along with Kum Nye and Cranio Sacral therapy, I expect there are similar institutes in the US which are accredited like Universities so you can go out and practice once you have qualified from them, I have heard things about Naropa university which sound interesting. Most of them are hardly considered alternative these days, you may not get the Harvard certificate from studying at them but you would probably be better at helping people.

You can get a career in psychotherapy which incorporates aspects like Buddhist psychology and body methods. It's more about helping people than making lots of money with business though.

In my journey towards trying to find health I have tried almost everything people have mentioned on this site and visited dozens of healers, I even flew half the way across the globe to spend a few weeks in the rainforest with a Shaman in Peru, but the most powerful healer I have come across is the one I mentioned in the OP and I don't even believe in curses, or rather I didn't but that healer told me that I had curses in me originating back to ancient Egypt, he said that that is where many of the curses come from in many of the people he treats. It may be just the context he puts his healing in as I don't have any memories of past lives but the difference in my body since he removed the "curses" is too obvious to be mere suggestion. I was told that he healed someone from severe organ failure, I don't know if it he removed curses in that case though but I do believe he could heal someone from something as serious as that. I know that all the people that opened Tutan Khartoum's tomb seemed to die young of strange causes, it could be a curse or it could be coincidence, I guess the only way to know for sure is expand your shamanic sensitivity

Thanks for your reply. Initially I didn't believe in things like curses or foreign implants considering it all superstition but recently I was put in touch with a strange healer who said I had a number of curses and other issues in my body, I was sceptical but tried to keep my mind open, but when he worked on me and removed them my body felt immediately changed and now I generally feel far more in contact with my body and there is less tension and background anxiety. I have tried many healers but haven't found one this powerful before, so I was wondering if Stillness Movement heals on this Shamanic level as I would one day like to learn to heal with that sort of power and it sounds like these things are dealt with indirectly in the general course of Qi projection treatment.

I don't want Seekerofallthatislight's post on the previous page to be overlooked as it sounds important but I was wondering whether Stillness Movement based healing can remove what are called in Shamanic terms: curses, psychic attacks and implants?

In my experience we come to believe that we need to remain in collective mind in order to survive, so trying to break free from it can even induce fears of death. Advertisers play on this fear all the time.

The way I see it is that most of the belief systems and social conditionings we absorb as we grow up have been passed on for generation to generation for hundreds if not thousands of years, most people in the West have a Christian based psyche whether they like it or not because most of their ancestors were subject to heavy religious indoctrination which then gets passed to each subsequent generation as the belief structure we use to deal with day to day life. Then other belief structures and habits are passed down in different countries through the generations which is why countries and communities maintain a certain unique population character. The general character of the people in say for example France has remained pretty stable for hundreds of years because people pass on the collective mind to each generation. If you were born into an African tribe you would absorb the rules, belief systems and limitations of that tribes collective psyche into your own mind as you grew up which would then largely define your own reality as an adult, and those rules may have been in place for hundreds of years and it is only usually when a big shock comes from the outside that things change like an invasion or war that shake up the collective belief systems. So most people think their ego is their own but really it is just a bunch of programmes absorbed from their environment which have infected their mind, or it is a reaction against those programmes rebelling against them which is another way of feeding them energy; either going with them or rebelling against them keeps them alive so you pass them onto your children in one form or another for another generation. Then once in a while if we are lucky great masters come along and try to do a big clean up job of the collective psyche.

In order to get to know your inner nature and align yourself with it I think it takes a great deal of work to get beyond and undo thousands of years of conditioning and deeply held beliefs of the ego which creates a crust around most people's being. It is usually this defensive crust of ego which makes people violent and immoral not their inner nature. To be true to yourself you need to get to know yourself and to do that it requires admitting that you don't know yourself right now, which is where the humility comes in.

In all the lessons you have been trying to give us poor ignorant bums I haven't heard you mention the gaps in-between the breaths at all, the goal not being abdominal breathing as such (although that happens as a byproduct of calming the mind) but to cultivate the natural cellular expansion and contraction which occurs at the lower dan tien when the mind and breath becomes quiet. "As I have said in the last session, a fetus does not breathe through its nose. It therefore does not have the in-and-out breath. Yet, the fetus has a “momentum” that continues to power life through a movement of expansion and contraction. This is the phenomenon of birth-and-death (生滅現象). If we have to use analogy it’s like the current of electricity … remember it’s just an analogy! The phenomenon of birth-and-death is not on-and-off, but continues seamlessly. At birth, as the baby’s umbilical cord is cut and its mouth cleaned, it will first exhale with a crying outburst and then it inhales. From that moment on, the in-and-out breathing continues until the final moment of death and then the person breathes out their last breath. What the Buddhist sutras didn’t elaborate clearly, as was lacking in Tibetan Buddhism and Taoism literature, is this: the fetus does not breathe through the nose or pores; its life is sustained by a continuous movement of expansion and contraction, or how energy functions. The goal is to cultivate that “movement,” not to cultivate the in-and-out of the respiratory breathing. This has to be clear from the outset." - The Anapana Chi Conversations of Master Nan Huai-Chin and Peter Senge