Harmonious Emptiness
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Garden within... grows Berries blossom, wither, fall Take it or leave it
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what makes you think this is possible when not even Buddhists can agree on what their own scriptures mean. The dark ages were called the dark ages because there was a black-out on knowledge. Anything that didn't pay obeisance to a corrupt form of Christianity was obliterated. I don't see that happening with Buddhism.. You said earlier that this war would be an outward expression of an inner occurrence. In other words it would be physical war. That would not end ignorance and delusion. To say so is so utterly deluded I won't even try to make it any more obvious. One religion's "truth" is another's "belief" I was referring to the use of Buddhism as some way to legitimize war "Someday, perhaps we could converse about the Kalachakra, and the end of the Dark Age of Ignorance. The Kalachakra initiation is a confirmation, an affirmation and a pledge to support the Shambhala war and to participate in the co-creation of peace on earth—a genuine peace that will reveal Shambhala. This is not a symbolic war, but an inner spiritual battle that will project to the outer. The inner always projects to the outer, and the outer is always a mirror image of the inner. The initiation is a commitment of true compassion that arises from the vow to free all sentient beings from suffering, not tolerating beliefs and continuing suffering. " Sure, you didn't come up with this idea, but support something that has been foolishly believed in so many times in the past... How many times do you need to beat your head with a hammer before you realize it's a bad idea?
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Ahhh Ahhh Ahhh Ahhh....Chew! Expel the irritation Uproot. Turn the soil.
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Imo, ignorance is to ignore the obvious while not acknowledging that this is being done. An example common to the mundane world would be racism, where people judge a entire group of people based on their selective limited experience while ignoring all the other people of that group they encountered who were just living their lives like everybody else. In the context of Buddhism, the obvious that people ignore is 1) our lack of fullfillment, and 2) the simple fact that we cause our lack of fulfillment by ignoring that we don't need to be anything more than we are.
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Basically a fool wants to prove dominance to show he is better. If you don't fight a fool, he is still a fool and you are not, so you walk away with whatever there was to gain out of it, ie. superiority, which you never lost nor gained. That said, the fight is also prevented while walking away with what the fool wanted to get out of it.
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lol. Okay, so now Buddhism is gonna have a holy war, and a dark ages too? anything that goes against Buddhist doctrine will be stamped out? Did you fail to take notice of exactly what your belief system did for Christianity over the last 500 years? Your proposing a violent Buddhist extremism. You slander the Dharma and the Buddhas name by using them in your label. It's bad enough to be hypocrite without doing so after 500 years of someone else making exactly the same mistake and finally starting to admit to it. Humans will always be easily corrupted by power.
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To my understanding, Wu Wei is doing by not doing. Winning a fight by walking away from a fool. Having wisdom by not following inherited dogma. Gaining freedom by not following. Being creative by flowing with the source of creation rather than forcing things to do what you want them to do. Correcting by leading something to correct itself.
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Little Bee flitters Building nests, making honey Let the pollen grow
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This comes to mind http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwMc0TjW_6Y&feature=related
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You do realize that Boddhisatvas subscribe to a religion, correct? And that assuming that all followers of religion are merely "tolerant" of other religions only alienates those who truly do respect anyone who makes an effort in their spiritual path. In other words, your blind "faith" that the abolition of religion will solve all of the worlds problems is about about as ironic as it gets. You said "rallying for peace is war." Well then isn't this ignorantly generalizing about all religions and religious adherents equally counter-productive? Get rid of religions all you want and people will always be pitted against each other. Divide and conquer is usually step 1. -edit: also, just because differences can be used to divide people doesn't mean we should all be forced not to have them. That is not the problem, and the issues are never what they appear to be first off. Don't be fooled by these chess-game maneuvers.- Sometimes making bold ignorant statements will bring some response on an invisible issue, but what is the karma of doing so? How could that possibly lead to freedom and peace?
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Though I'm very glad that things have been put into words so that random straw dogs can learn from them.. This thought came to mind in relation to the Lao Zi Chapter 32 Once things are broken up and divided, the whole is lost. Then the parts are given names. When things are given names, their purpose in the whole structure is lost. Men should avoid giving things too many names, and look more closely at the whole. Chapter 28 In simplicity and openness, return to the State of the uncarved block. For when the block is carved, it becomes useful for men to manipulate and use.
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Thanks rene. I like this explanation too. Sort of like De is what arises out of Dao..
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Master Gyozan has a dream. He went to Maitreya's place and was given the third seat. A venerable monk there struck the table with a gavel and announced, "Today the talk will be given by the monk of the third seat." Gyozan struck the table with the gavel and said, "The Dharma of Mahayana goes beyond the Four Propositions and transcends the One Hundred Negations. Listen carefully!" - Mumonkan. 25
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I just re-read the topic to see where I might have skewed things. Well, the topic deserves a little extra fat I'd say anyway...
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I meant to ask.. so Zi Ran means self-so-ness.... "Well put. For me, its a bit more than 'principle and power', but that is part of it, yes." How would you say it's more? btw, you'll notice that all but one post was in fact trying to lead to a deeper answer about De, though it reverted back to using the 'V' word..
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I would say, now: The De of Dao = The Power of the Uncontrived Method The Dao of De = The Uncontrived Method of Power I'm sure there's some disagreement on this though
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I see we posted simultaneously. This seems to shed a tad more light on my above question as to whether their is a De of Tao.. But still, the question remains as to what it means... This also sheds a bit more light on why I posted earlier (July 19, 08:52 AM) about the Heart Shen, since there always seems to be a major connection between De and Shen. Turns out the Heart Spirit (vs. the other 4 elemental spirits) is the most central to the sort of "virtues" of Taoism, such as sponteneity, illumination, intuition, insight, authenticity, and acting from a higher spirit rather than emotional habit. So having a healthy heart spirit seems to cultivate the more "Taoist virtues" you could say, above the more Confucian virtues. ie., having a healthy heart spirit allows you to spontaneously follow Dao. This is my sophomoric attempt at it, at least. Now, if y'all want a definition that does not include the word "virtue" whatsoever, then I'm hoping you've got one to bring to the table
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Alright, sorry, I'm not trying to be a pest, but it's a legitimate question: Is there a De of Tao? or Just a Dao of De? And what are they?
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It is about Virtue as well? Somehow I missed this reply... Well then, adding another layer to the conversation, if the Tao Te Ching was also named the De Dao Ching, then, what is the Te-Virtue of the Dao? Not a simple question...
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Definition of Ch'an in The Sutra of Hui Neng
Harmonious Emptiness posted a topic in General Discussion
Thought I would post this for all interested, as Hui Neng is regarded as one of the earliest influences on Ch'an and Zen, which are important to the "fire methods" of Taoism. (in Chapter 6, translation by A.F. Price and Wong Mou-lam, 1929. Note: the text says that arrogance and dishonesty are translations of the single word asatya) "Now what is the meaning of ch'an? Ch'an refers to the repentance of past sins. To repent of all our past sins and evil deeds committed under delusion, ignorance, arrogance, dishonesty, jealousy, or envy, and so on, so as to put an end to all of them, is called ch'an. Hui refers to that part of repentance concerning our future conduct. Having realized the nature of our transgression [we make a vow] that hereafter we will put an end to all kinds of evil committed under delusion, ignorance, arrogance, dishonesty, jealousy, or envy, and that we shall never sin again. This is hui." Another interesting message in The Sutra of Hui Neng is that he says one should not strive for "no-thought" or "thoughtlessness" but instead for "idea-lessness." "But it is a great mistake to suppress our mind from all thinking; for even if we succeed in getting rid of all thoughts, and die immediately thereafter, still we shall be reincarnated elsewhere."(chapter 4) Peace. -
Definition of Ch'an in The Sutra of Hui Neng
Harmonious Emptiness replied to Harmonious Emptiness's topic in General Discussion
Hm. So Ch'an Hui might bring one to Dhyana, but is not Dhyana. Paradise awaits The boat floats, so we paddle No clouds in the sea -
help me understand the iddhipada?
Harmonious Emptiness replied to mewtwo's topic in General Discussion
I had never come across this term before, but I found this: http://www.mbmc.iirt.net/books/bys017.htm Lord Buddha taught us ways to succeed in many of his sermons. "Iddhipada" is one of those sermons. Iddhipada tells of the Four Virtues that, when developed, lead to success and enable one to achieve goals in life. They are Will (Chanda), Effort (Viriya), Thoughtfulness (Citta), and Investigation (Vimamsa). The first virtue is will or inspiration. Being happy to work, or being ready to work with one's best ability, means one should have interest and determination to work properly. Will or inspiration is the primary requirement, without which nothing can be accomplished. The second virtue is putting effort or endeavor in to one's undertaking. It implies the ceaseless application of energy to finish the work as one wants.
