mjjbecker

What GIH said. You don't need to do lotus. You can sit cross-legged, on a chair, lying down, or do standing. Whatever works for you. Yes, it is a part of many traditions, certainly Chinese schools of meditation. So is standing, so is sitting on a chair. Forcing postures like the lotus, or doing the horse stance incorrectly, will simply cause injury. You don't need a CD either. Just 'be'. Do this and things will take care of themselves. If you feel you would like some introduction to meditation, here is something for free: http://www.enabling.org/ia/vipassana/Archi...sIPE/index.html If you aren't already, do some moving exercises as well as the meditation. The 18 step taiji qigong exercises are very, very good, and you can download video and book instructions for free here: http://www.taichi18.com/forum/viewforum.ph...dade604a3dca12c You have to register on the forum but it is no big deal. How good are the exercises? Using them, back when I was in my late teens, I experienced a state of perfect quiet and clarity. I was not practising or studying any other method. Just these exercises, 20-30 minutes a day. I also had an energy transfer-like electricity-when sitting next to my girlfriend. We were not physically touching at the time and it surprised the hell out of both of us. Not in a bad way, just amazement. One bit of advice on their practice. I did them slower than demonstrated in the video. Just the right pace to keep the flow going. A caveat. Meditation, qigong, and related practices release stored up feelings and emotions in the body. Sometimes this can be very disturbing, depending on the individual. Unsupervised meditation for people who have mental illnesses, from depression to more other conditions, is not advised.

Wrong.

If you are cold, what does your body do? It moves the blood to the core, away from the extremities. This reduces the blood circulation. Good circulation is important for health. It is that simple. Older Chinese people and qigong teachers recommend drinking warm or hot drinks as they help the circulation. This is particularly the case in the winter. Very cold drinks are not recommended, though cool drinks when it is hot are not going to be a problem. No, not at all. Speculation, and based on incorrect assumptions.

Absolutely. It is all a learning experience though, and everyone has to learn in their own way. That includes paying lots of money to find out you never really needed something in the first place.

Perfect silence. To see and know, without preconception or judgement. Hence the reference to 'being'. You lose all sense of 'me' and 'I'. Only 'is' remains. It can't be intellectualised, only experienced. Debates, comparisons and definitions are meaningless.

Perfect brother, perfect. The names and titles are irrelevant. At best they are a very poor representation of reality. As the NLP people say, 'The map is not the territory'. Only by doing can someone gain the EXPERIENCE of these things. I can describe sunset at the temple of Poseidon at Sunion, but it will never come close to being there and experiencing it for yourself. Only someone who has been there and also had this experience will TRULY understand the description. Why do armed forces veterans get outraged by those who pretend to have been in the armed forces? Because the pretenders lay claim to 'glory', but have paid none of the price. The pain; horror; loss; the stark reality of having to face who YOU are. It is no coincidence that spirituality has become linked to the way of the warrior. The spiritual seeker, warrior or not, must face themselves. Everything. The soul is stripped bare. Everything they have done, good and bad, is there. So, there will be the struggle, the fight, the denial. There will be the claim to be separate. 'I' am not the one at fault. It is the world, society, the person who posted something that pissed me off. They are wrong/bad/evil/stupid/carnal. Not me. Where to go from here? Compassion. In compassion there is redemption. Compassion can only come from the heart. To find it, you must find it within yourself to forgive yourself. Once you can show compassion to yourself, to be compassionate, then you can show it others. There is a reason why so many traditions talk of 'letting go'. Once we let go of our attachments and aversions, we can 'see' what 'is'. Then you can find the guru, your real guru, within your heart.

Nearly forgot. Glenn Morris's 'Path Notes of an American Ninja Master'. Skip the ninja part if you aren't interested. His observations on qi training and meditation are worth knowing. I've been meaning to check out C.K. Chu's book for sometime. Looks like he knows his stuff-and teaches it. Both are rare. Good taijiquan is beautiful beyond words. Very true. Quality practice.

You're right about not taking KAP-that was another troll. My mistake. I never said you did Kunlun. I read your posts on the subject. Insults, lies, threats, then a meek climb down when invited to meet Max face to face. For all your ranting and threats, you knew Max could have taken you out, no problem. Get over it. As for the continued saga regarding your method, either you can't read or you are simply obfuscating-again. No one here is pitching your method except you. I'm pleased you've found something that works for you. Really. I have no interest in learning it. I've not seen anyone else here express an interest in learning it. The only person going on and on about it is you. I am aware of Chia's stuff. What I have seen was authentic daoist neigong, but taught with errors. Whether Chia did not know the detail (as has been claimed by some) or deliberately included changes, I don't know. I am not speculating on the material being authentic, because I KNOW it is. Nor am I going to say which particular part of his teachings, because I would not encourage people to learn something from a book which should be taught by a teacher directly (and in fairness to Chia, his books also state a person should learn from a teacher). I have always recommended having a teacher. Regarding KAP, I know Doc Morris in his books recommended Chia's stuff. I also know that what is taught, is not taught exactly the same as Chia teaches it. This has been posted on this forum, so it is no secret. Also, the material is drawn from more than one source, not just Chia. Again, that is clearly stated. The KAP course is taught via Skype with learning materials included. People can speak with the teachers if need be to ask any questions. Face to face is of course preferable, but this course allows a lot of people to learn good stuff who would otherwise not have the chance. Good, life enhancing stuff. As with the other people here, I'm not interested in playing your games Steve. I wish you the best in your practice.

No Steve, I'm not exposing your school, I'm exposing your claims. There is a difference. Why should I not post a link to a public website, quoting a public interview? There is nothing bad on the website. The website owner clearly has no problem posting the information in public, or it would not be there. So why do you object? Because it links the school with this forum? That is absurd. A school being mentioned on a forum hardly damns, or deifies, the school in question. You object because your behaviour brings shame to the school. You have lied on numerous occassions, not least here when you claimed to have done KAP. You lied about Kunlun, causing anxiety to good people in the process (Kunlun worm, bullshit). You lied about what you do, claiming arcane secrecy which is not there. No one is teaching the qigong method? Bullshit: http://www.thelittledojo.com/classes I could take your word that he is only teaching a little bit, but given your track record for obfuscation, you are not a reliable or trustworthy source. Small classes, but classes none the less. Also, there is some amazing stuff being taught publicly, for those who know what to look for. Don't presume you have a monopoly on the good stuff. You don't. I've largely ignored your behaviour, because it makes you look stupid, not the people you are attacking. However, you have no right to hide behind an internet identity, attacking and slandering others with impunity. It was bad enough that a friend of mine was upset by your Kunlun bullshit about the worm. Now you have chosen to insult anyone who you please, and personally attack another friend of mine. Santiago knows his stuff, Doc Morris knew his stuff. From reading a little of Susan Carlson's posts, it's clear she knows her stuff also. I am not basing my opinions on friendship, I am basing them on EXPERIENCE. Having spent time, and been around high level Chinese masters, I know. Practicing neigong, and having done so for some time, I know. I am a million miles away from being a master, but I know what is real, and what is bullshit. Do not presume otherwise, because you would be wrong. You may choose to teach privately. That is fine. It doesn't justify your publicly lording it over others. If you want to be private, then be so. Do not presume to attack those who are publicly teaching and helping others. What you know is by the grace of your teachers and their ancestors. It is a gift, not yours to brag about. You show your teachers and your ancestors no respect by your behaviour-quite the opposite. You are not 'special' but you have been blessed-they are not the same-with an opportunity that many other people will never have. So how do you react? With ego and insults. Where is your gratitude? Where is your humility? Where is your sense of responsibility? I have better things to do with my time, and I am sure you do also Steve. How about we both devote our energies to more constructive purposes?

I did not say you were. I said you were the Steve who posts as 'Starjumper7'. The website was listed to show the method you have been refering to. Some people asked you to post what you do.

Writing style is also like a fingerprint. I teach English for a living, breaking it down to its elements, and have corrected hundreds of pieces of work. You get to the point where you can recognise who wrote what almost at a glance. It isn't magic. New Dawn Fades= Steve, Starjumper7. If one is going to use multiple identities, it's probably best not to say the same things about the same topics. For example: -'Secret' neigong method, not shown to the unworthy. (Fook Yueng's method). -Bruce Lee connection-'I know Bruce's real teachers'. -Seattle location. (See above). -Special Forces connection. My teachers taught SF, etc. -Insulting comments regarding Kunlun and Max. -Insulting comments regarding Mantak Chia. One or two co-incidences might occur, but all the above together is fairly conclusive. I've read good things about those associated with Fook Yuen. They seem to have a lot of good rep in the MA community. Not sure why Steve feels the need to do this. It isn't the first time.

Doc Morris knew what he was doing, and so does Santiago. It still doesn't mean KAP will be the right choice for everyone. Trying to push a square block into a round hole doesn't make either the hole or the block wrong, just the attempt at fitting them together. Some methods suit different people. There are different methods and different schools and it is worth finding the best fit for the individual. I have no doubt that Santiago is a man of high integrity who has a big heart and generous soul. Just because he is my friend doesn't mean I expect others to agree. It doesn't mean people have to resort to name calling and unpleasantness either. If you want something from someone, then a polite respectful request is usually more successful than making demands, being sarcastic or using scorn. People rarely react well to insults directed at themselves or their friends. Consider how you would feel about this. Teachers and students often have some 'connection' if anything significant is to happen. Practice is measured in hours per day over a period of years, not twenty minutes a day over a few months. Go read about the training different masters endured in order to get to their levels. There are no guarantees. You might achieve great things, but most likely you won't. There have been many owners of Gibson Les Paul guitars, but only Peter Green could play with such feeling that B.B. King said he was the only white blues player that brought a tear to his eye. Genius is rare, which is why it is valued so much. Instead of harping on about the perceived failings of others, we'd all be better served by looking at our own failings, and spending time on our own practice where we can actually benefit.

See Qigong Fever by David Palmer and Falun Gong and the Future of China by David Ownby The above books cover the history of the modern use of the term qigong. Strictly speaking, in China, 'qigong', or 'chi kung', is the catch-all term for the different methods of qi cultivation. That includes 'neigong' or 'nei kung'. Throughout Chinese history, different schools have used different names to describe their practices. Some, if not many, still use the old names. For public understanding though, qigong is used. Why the qigong vs neigong debate now? Look at the history. In the 1950s and 60's and the 1980's to early 1990's qigong practices were widely promoted for health reasons. Books were written for this purpose. Some better than others, but many, if not all of them, simplified versions of older methods. Why? Because the method had to be learnable from a book. Complex and/or dangerous practices need a teacher. Also, different levels of instruction need to be done directly. What BKF has done is create his own definition, in the same manner that Donn Draeger did with bugei/budo. It serves to distinguish between the old and new. It isn't however considered 'official' or necessarily recognised by others. Dr Yang does have a lot of qigong and martial arts teaching experience, however there are texts that he is simply a translator of-he has not had direct instruction from a teacher in those methods. The texts alone are largely useless without a teacher. Within BKF's area of study-the arts of taijiquan, ba gua and hsing i-the term neigong is used. However, in other schools of martial arts and cultivation, different terms are used. This doesn't make them inferior-they just use names that the founders or earlier teachers thought more appropriate. Finally, just because one school calls what it does 'neigong', that does not mean it is better than other methods, including some that use the term 'qigong'. The teacher and the method are paramount, not the names.

Chunyi Lin's words: Spring Forest Level 3 manual, page 62: Spring Forest Level 2 manual, page 37. Another source: Chinese Qigong - Outgoing Qi Therapy, pages 18-19 Chunyi Lin on healing energy: Taking a persons 'sick qi' or 'qi blockages'-use whatever term you like-is a dangerous thing to do for any healer. Chunyi Lin clearly states NOT to do this. Drew has his own theories, which of course he is entitled to. However, they are not the same as Chunyi Lin's, nor are they the same as other qigong healers. Take your pick. FWIW, anyone looking for reliable information on what is, or is not, safe, would be well advised to follow the advice of Michael Lomax-Ya Mu-here. He knows what he is talking about, has a lineage of qigong second to non, and the recognised credentials-and experience-to back it up.

Respectfully, leave me out of this. It is not my arguement. I want no part of it.

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