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SFH... I actually don't really understand self realization if self is forgotten... how long should one hold to it (self) if it is forgotten? I won't disclaim 'path'; that is all everyone has... but just a word, a journey. You said: "How do we know which is the right path? soul work of previous lives(energy) brings us to certain points and we are therefore destined to a certain path at a certain part of the continuation of life. we have choices in our lives to do and not do certain things." I agree that it is destined... but our choices, if we are responding instead of leading it, is destined choices. At least that is my feeling. I wholeheartedly agree with this: "Following the way is a sacred path. ... The sacred path is called Daoist Heart"

And we have a choice to not stop anything... accept all things.. allow all things... therein is freedom not victims...

Yet you respond to such questions... so if you posit an answer to a question, then the question should have an answer...

I rarely find links worth while... this was quite interesting. Thanks.

I don't really disagree with this but maybe its just our different paths create different perspectives. On some level, I think most paths are leading nowhere, except to the next life. I once heard someone say to be careful when 'practice becomes a distraction'; I think the same sometimes about thinking about 'path'. And while I'd support someone pursuing a path to get where they want to be, I don't personally feel that way anymore. Meaning: At some point, the idea of practice and path left my inner core. I just see it as following an inner voice or like if Dao was a beacon of light, one is simply going towards it the way a plant turns towards the sun. With that, I shifted from a negative approach to a positive one. Meaning: I don't see things as needing to be restricted, reduced, removed (ie: stop this desire or that desire); I see everything as 'allowing' and 'accepting' it. For in this world, I don't see anything I can reject and that will just make it go away. But I see that if I allow and accept what I see, it flourishes in its own way, even if destructive; if destructive then it will be regardless of my view anyways. To borrow from your transmission: CH. 2: The Sage sees the Ten Thousand Things in harmony, and goes about his business doing nothing, so the Ten Thousand Things rise and fall without interference. CH. 5: Heaven and Earth are ruthless, They see the Ten Thousand Things as part of one whole. The wise are therefore ruthless, for they see people as part of the same structure. CH. 15: Do not seek fulfilment, but feel the Dao in your heart. By not seeking fulfilment, nothing is changed. The Ten Thousand Things rise and fall without interference. CH. 16: Empty the mind of everything, let it reside in peace. Being at peace you can watch the Ten Thousand Things rise and fall. They follow their natural path and eventually return to the source of all things. This is the way of Nature CH. 21: The greatest virtue is to follow the Dao and only Dao. Oh unfathomable Dao, ever elusive and intangible. But yet within, there is substance and form. It is the essence of the Ten Thousand Things. This is very real, so here lies a true path to follow. CH. 28: When the Sage returns to this state, he becomes the ruler of the Ten Thousand Things. For he leaves everything to rise and fall without interference. CH. 32: For the Ten Thousand Things are part of one on-going, flowing structure. Men are part of this also. Here lies the key to balance and harmony. etc...

This is part of the problem with living in a heavy laden, rule-based society... our very being takes on 'injustice' in a way that is not really there.

What did Laozi say about nurturing the 10,000 ?

But Way is any Way... path is 10,000 paths... I don't see we can judge anyone's path anymore than we can judge the flow of water. Both Roses and Weeds follow the Great Way. I think your making a case for man made deviations... but I see that as still along the 10,000 paths.

nice but hard to tell if this is stopped at the border / US Customs.... how deported. was this an outreach or by default of tightening the screws...

How can Trump deport to date? And is there an article or link... interesting stat

I know Cheya doesn't want the attention but she has stepped down from staff.. No... not due to Trump She tried it because I asked her... several times... and I deeply appreciate her time here, if only that it was a good excuse to chat more with her But like many, she found that it is a different dimension... you see TDB from a different perspective Let's just agree to disagree and yet still get along without name-calling, etc... that would make staff's job easier for some to consider the job. LL said to bring back the "don't like" button so we can dump some into moderator... I laughed a few days on that... and today woke up to... 'what a great idea'

I get that we're going to disagree about some issues and we are not going to feel like we can support another's message that cuts across our path, etc... But this really speaks volumes to me. As a point of transparency, we first meet at another website where I started off somewhat critical of your position and rhetoric; I likely received some of your posts like some here do... but then I simply put aside any judgement to just see the ideas you shared... and then suddenly something different emerged: I began to agree with you and then even sought you out to understand that in a deeper way. So that others know, I memorized the tradition prayer in chinese. I only tried the Fa Fu a few times but I found the prayer more important than some request to Li Erh. This was one of likely 3 truly defining moments in my path to where I am now. The Celestial Masters founder claims he was spoken to by a deified Lao Zi. Do you agree with that?

I'm reading some of this incredulously... where are the stats that show the great "WE" are watching a lot of porn... At first, I thought this thread was more a confessional... which is ok too... but I'm more surprised a staff person moved it from off-topic to General.... now reading the responses, it seems most folks are taking this serious in a sense. Nice

It seems a lot of people woke up to realize they are living a simple realization: “WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US.”

I'd start with practical and local... are there any kinds of energy classes around you? I completely stumbled upon both Taiji and Qigong stuff once I just opened my eyes to look around...

As admin, I support Eff's use of Owner's Permission to keep his thread on topic as it was in a sub-forum area with a very narrow focus of systems. I'm not sure this thread really belongs here as a criticism of systems but will leave it for now. Although I do think this is a much better way to make a dissenting point but let's be careful not to attack the person; not that it has happened yet but I hope we can maintain some level of respect in our dissent. As the attachment is not that long, I'd recommend just putting it as a post instead of a download. I'm not sure if you want a further discussion on the attachment points but likely you'll need to drive that. And was your concern just your own or are you saying the concern comes from another level ?

Interesting points... I almost wish this was in the other thread as the folks that Trump surrounds himself with might of contributed to 'why he won' or at least why he didn't lose on some level. Meaning, if he had Christie as VP, I think that would of really dulled his chances. Likely folks just don't know Pence enough that it made enough of a difference... when he gets on camera, he is soft spoken and seeking a middle ground. I'll accept that that is not his regular ideology but to be honest, I think we need to see what they 'do' in this administration. Having picked Priebus as COS instead of Bannon who will be an advisor... I think that was a good decision. Some folks warned of the former being too much an 'insider' but you need to establish this on some level; the latter can still counsel Trump which I think he wants from an outsider. I'm just looking at what we have now... and the decisions going on now. I find many of Trump's decisions so far to be rather good. Are folks like Pence as VP the best? We can't deal with such questions now... JMO.

One thing I've never really confirmed is whether this is truly happening.. meaning, I have wondered if the person is actually logged out of the server but just simply appears locally on their PC as logged in. I can likely use one of our guest accounts to confirm that.

For me, I don't listen that much to what they say in the election cycle anyways... and if someone's going to start pulling up things someone said or did 30 years ago, I'll just continue to tune that out. Sometimes, I just laugh at the whole thing. Why no outrage over what DT says or HC did ? It just doesn't really matter enough to take it too seriously. Balance out all the BS on both sides, see what comes through in terms of what you feel might be at least better (the lesser of two evils).

Since I came back from China, my study has been bombarding me with energy... I think there are better ways to say "I missed you". I've not yet figured out what is going on yet...

Didn't the Republic party do the navel gazing after Romney's run... and did they really come up with something??? or was it Trump who was a voice in the wilderness that emerged? I guess what I'm saying is, I don't know that the political parties are really that capable of figuring out where they went wrong and how to fix it...

I have to clear browser history every 3 of 4 log outs... many have stated the same and we have yet to find a remedy... other than to do the history clear.

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Maybe the greatest gift of Trump winning is the realization that anyone can win... it's not just a dream story to your children that they too can become the president I'd bet this is going to be more effective than telling glass ceiling stories in concession speech