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I have liked Henricks less over time but his notes and investigation is a good resource. I have a soft spot for Hinton; terse and to the point. Wing-Tsat Chan was my favorite for a long time. I like Chu Ta-Kao and it is interesting how early his translation is. I think Derek Lin has some good insight. In general, I like Lok Sang Ho. But in the last few years, I am more drawn to Elucidations like Ni and oral transmissions like Flowing Hands. http://terebess.hu/english/tao/_index.html

You mean when you use the Quote button, it does not show the commented quoted? Can you try the quote button on a post here?

I don't see you logged in now... so maybe it just appears that way.

Just trying to see how old the practices possibly were... if more ancient or more recent (relatively speaking). Thanks.

Interesting, thanks. Have you / do you practice with a yidam? Or more reading of the topic? I'm not looking for a history lesson but do you know when/how these lineages formed? Are they older or arose from older traditions?

This deserves a little more visibility... so I want to pin this in the Daoist Discussion

They can be removed for a good cleaning But the container is always there...

You used a name... nameless but I likely agree with the latter point We can experience Dao... in every breath... There is talk of 'returning to Dao'... if this happens in this life, then we can describe it in human words; if not till we die, then we are being asked to a march to death... Did Laozi asked folks to be martyrs with promises of marrying virgins afterlife? Or is his message have guidance in the here-and-now? On the other hand... if we try to define the idea of "life" we might not even ask these questions as it is not applicable...

Thanks. I still recall your advice to me on 3rd eye pressure... closing in on 365 days later P.S. If you'd really prefer I move those posts back to prana, let me know...

@Jeff: I would assume, but correct me if I'm wrong, that if you say a chakra is open... it does not imply FULLY open, only as opposed to not being closed. Which is to say, it is open [to some degree and not closed]. If you checked someone and their chakra was FULLY opened, would you be inclined to then state it more as, your 6th chakra is fully open or do you still just say it is open? While some folks might not care for the exact level of openness, it seems useful to make some additional explanation. Recently when someone checked on my 3rd eye, he said "2/3 open"... I wanted to ask, "are you sure it's not 5/6

3rd eye is still local perception. There is that little girl who can blindfold herself and still tell you everything going on around her... yes, her third eye is open to the extreme; She doesn't need her own physical eyes in a sense. But can she see past or future? Other dimensions? Light and non-light beings? So what is the 3rd eye really doing for her on a spiritual Level?

To me, this is more like a characteristic of someone who will likely be able to perceive light levels. In theory, anyone can perceive it... but if there is too much 'in the way', then this may not be the lifetime it happens in. Then the challenge is for one and all... 3rd eye open or not.... here you go: One of the Light Folks created a personal universe. Two other light folks went to visit it and described it as essentially the same as what he created. Anyone else can try to go there and share their view of it. This is all the information someone with Light level access needs. I'm not saying that everyone with Light Level must find it but they have access to find it. Now the question is whether anyone else has access and can find it. I personally don't know. But willing to find out.

I have to look at my other computer for small write ups or links.. but these are on my book self as something to read: 1. Chinese Philosophy on Life - Wang Keping At Amazon 2. The Dao Speaks Volume 1 and 2 - Brian Bruya At Amazon: Volume 1 ; Volume 2

As [Divine] Light permeates all, it will be found at all levels... at every level, there is awareness of that level. So what you write makes a certain amount of sense. I try to capitalize Light to suggest the Light Level idea; that of Divine Light Transmission. I tend to use lower 'light' to mean that which is in all things and can be found everywhere. Animals know this instinctively.

And we can find a great range on TDB too I have loosely a grouping like: 1. Light transmission 2. Mind transmission 3. Astral abilities 4. Magic / Ritual 5. Psychic abilities 6. Seeing and sensing (aka 3rd eye) And to your point, it varies from person to person within any group... but the overlap which appears is also astonishing. Some in one group can do the same as another on some small level, etc. Some in one group do something another cannot. I find it fascinating and have reached out to folks in the various groups. There is something in common at certain levels and I hope the differences don't cause a schism in discussion and acceptance of the differences. Your post is one of the closest to explaining my very limited experience with Light... still different but I can appreciate the difference.

I'm going to comment from my perspective. I don't really like the phrase 'light body'. Mainly because the focus on 'body' is very local and misses the real focus of Light. One can googling enough to see that Divine Light is often used; so "Light" is short-hand in my book. One could likewise just say Divine but that tends to carry certain connotations which gets off the point. Maybe other might call it Divine Feminine. So what one can see (or so I hope I am pointing out) is that this is like recognzing Light Beings that possess Light. They exhibit light; they are light itself. I can't say if they are as Light-complete as say the ultimate Divine Light is the true original raw Light, but it gives me a way of seeing that there are levels of Light. So being Light is a Light level. As Astral is a level but I know that people talk of an astral body which immediately shows why that is different (ie: body). I don't talk in terms of 'body' as that gets us stuck on the wrong level, mentally at least. We need to free ourselves from anything which binds us or creates a boundary; including "tradition". This guy's website says: http://centeroftheheart.com/event/divine-light-transmission Divine Light Transmission is the unique ability to tap into the loving energy of the Divine and transmit that energy directly into the participants in the room. This ability comes from years of study and practice with the Holy Siddhas, Saints and Spiritual Masters and is a beautiful healing experience that ignites our True Self to Awaken to the presence of God within the Sacred Heart. So this seems a fairly common description I see online about Divine Light Transmission and is close enough to point out a few differences I would say: 1. Tap into... I'd rather say 'share'... We are light itself, so we share that portion of it which have opened to. 2. Participants in the room... there is no room per se (but he is doing a workshop). There is something which some might call infinite consciousness but this is just the Divine Light itself spread out to another level/layer... each level/layer may lose some original Light but gains in manifest awareness and interaction for spiritual and human beings. 3. Years of study... We are all already Light.... we may not be open or aware of it to the degree we can exhibit as such. This is likely the strength and weakness of a "tradition". A tradition needs to develop steps to follow because it can't find any other more direct way. There are direct ways but without knowing them, a "tradition" is the path for most. 4. Healing experience... there are levels of healing.... and so this should not be just taken to mean only the 'body'. The body is our immediate level of awareness. So Divine Light doesn't demand any one tradition and that one must follow steps to follow per that tradition... While traditions can lead there in a very long haul, the most direct way is simple awareness and openness. There is a sense of letting go of stuff (surrender in some traditions) to get attachments and boundaries to be the 'power' in your life. There is some sort of aspect whereby one who is Light level can share with another the Light level. This takes on many ideas but as most admit, everything is transmission; it is going on all the time.. even when we chat here, light is shared... so why don't we feel or sense it? Or, what does it take to feel or sense it? This was an interesting article: http://transmissiononline.org/issue/awareness/article/light-and-archetypes-in-every-tradition

I think the meaning is, open to some degree. A third eye vision is just that. It is not a vision (or the kind of visions) related to Light level issues which I think Tom is focusing on.

I had thought this way, but maybe someone can correct me: That the daoist neidan or alchemy path is essentially one towards pure Yang; the rainbow/golden body path is one towards pure Yin. In this sense, I would think that those who tend to follow daoist methods would not be trying to achieve the rainbow/golden body as the other traditions relate. So not sure it is easy to compare them.

Spend 50 years in meditation achieving pure YIN and wither and die with a Golden Body... Or, find Light and spend 50 years helping humanity... Or ignore these paths and follow where your lead. In the end: Where are you lead and what leads you? how is this on-topic? Spiritual-heart... where is it being lead and by what

The problem is HAVE (reality) vs HAVE NOT (want/desire). This is normal... at 22, this should be a passing fancy of an issue... something you almost laugh off. For some reason, it has escalated to a Huge Problem. If this were a see-saw, your sitting on the ground looking up at the HAVE NOT side... Yes?

attracts... stores... fuses... So what is the ultimate relationship between energy and consciousness ? added: I see that thetaoiseasy just answered it

So karma and Dao also oversee the spirit realm, the way it works?

sorry 3Bob... I 'edited' instead of replied and lost your quote of Bud in your post... but I wanted to say regarding the pre-existence of Christ: What about his time before his time on earth? Jesus said, “And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began” (John 17:5) Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” (John 8:58) Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? (John 6:62) He said to them, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. (John 8:23) the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was made manifest to us (1 John 1:2)

could that be any better teaser to... "and then" ? tell more

If I follow your construction of: Spirit > Dao > Ten Thousand Joining with Dao: Dao/Ten Thousand is an inseparable pair; likely starting as a singularity ready to divide, which defined all manifest unfolding; A law (dao) which defined life (then thousand). Joining with Spirit Essence: As quickly as Spirit Essence produces Dao, joining to Dao is by default joining to spirit essence? Is Spirit Essence/Dao an inseparable pairing too?