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Cool clock Have a look at these: The Eight Extraordinary Channels: Taoist Cosmology and the Eight Extraordinary Channel Pairings The Meridian Clock: A Taoist Cosmological Imaging System, Part One In most traditional Chinese astrology and feng shui systems, the Tiger month (February) is the beginning of the new year, as it is yang wood and represents the energy of ascending and growth, and the beginning qi of a new cycle. The Luo Shu revealed that the Lung is the first channel in the meridian clock. Combining the above two patterns, the Lung as the first channel of the meridian clock is matched with the beginning branch of the energy cycle, which is yang wood. Uniting these two reveals the Lung is matched to the Tiger/yang wood, which corresponds to 3 a.m. to 5 a.m. Place the remaining channels in the exact order of the Luo Shu, and the meridian clock pattern is revealed.

The only issue I have is your 'being births non-being'. You don't really treat it as complimentary but if feels like a linear relationship. And if one were trying to give a precedent, non-being is always prior to being. So instead: being is birthed by non-being. Most all cosmologies show this order and Laozi: CH. 40: - Ni Returning to itself is how the subtle Way of the universe exercises itself. Being gentle and yielding is how the subtle Way of the universe employs itself. All things of the world come from the Manifest. The Manifest comes from the unmanifest, subtle essence of the universe. But interestingly enough, the Guodian text didn't repeat the word for Manifest... and allows for: All things of the world come from the Manifest. AND comes from the unmanifest, subtle essence of the universe.

I am wondering if you see it somewhat like this? ThreeRealms.bmp

Not sure if this is even related or relevant... Halosync. http://www.trans4mind.com/holosync/ See the very bottom, three PDF links. If nothing else, they help you sleep

I prefer 眇 as it nicely ties back to the perceive. I think 妙 is interesting because, as H.E. suggests, the feminine properties are often mentioned of Dao. Here, 徼 makes sense when understand as manifest (or boundary [of existence]), as it juxtaposes with the unperceived. 噭 is not just a shout, but sound itself. Maybe like the singular voice of creation giving rise to the ten thousand and what we "hear" (sense) is their echoing sound.

We've been hearing this proclamation of the one and only true meaning for three years... His comma's and nobody else. As you probably know, there are not commas in the original... You should just carry on with your ideas. You and Taoist Text have revived some NEW discussion which is good to see.

I said, "IMO"... I didn't post any staff notice. I'd rather hear if any of the ladies felt that way... maybe they see a male stereotype that no amount of instruction is going to get into the male head... Given the topic, it is at best a lack of tact. Given the inability to really understand the topic, we get over-reaction from anything which seems to try and show how even our simple attempts at humor are possibly not what it seems. Again, JMO.

It may well be humorous for many... But IMO, the pic is really a blanket statement... and a stereotype about women...

Or 'rest'... but it is not obvious to mean, 'does not rest in the success'. I think the underlying meaning is that he 'succeeds' without think of that as meaning anything in particularly which requires him to take credit or be recognized as having accomplished it. No awards please It is similar to the previous several lines.

I have asked Flowing Hands if he will do an interview and he has agreed. He has posted mostly in the Taoist Forum and those subforums, particularly concerning the Tao Te Ching. He is a Daoist Shaman although I recall him once saying there is really no word to properly categorize him... so that has to do. TTB Profile: http://thetaobums.com/user/78909-flowing-hands/ his website: http://www.life-in-crisis.info/shaman-flowing-hands.htm The next post will be a bio. It is really difficult to do a bio so I will use his own words as taken from this site in conversation with members. I hope this might answer some basic questions and generate the rest. Please provide questions for Flowing Hands. Once we have up to 20, then I'll submit them to him for answers. After that time, the thread will be open for general Q&A follow-up.

The questions have been passed along. Thanks to all for contributing.

We're getting off topic... but starting such a topic already raises some flags as they rarely end without some staff action. The attack cannot be on a person or group; nor incite or provoke others. That last part is a more recent inclusion I will apply in my Admin powers to deal with action as needed... But I also want the mods to quickly stop any thread which appears to clearly be heading that way or is already in the weeds. I was very much of the mind to clean up this thread as an example... there is some stuff already posted which could be actionable on some level. I asked one female member their thought and she said to leave all of it in the thread as it reveals all the true colors regarding this topic discussion... This has luckily come out of the weeds at this point but I am not sure there is too much more to really add to the topic.

I said someone who is attacked cannot justify their attack back. Your talking about acknowledging which sounds like the person is being rational even if emotional. Objections also sounds like rational posting with legitimate handle of not breaking the insult rules, nor inciting or provoking. If the acknowledging or objection turns into an attack , then it's a problem.

Hey Grandfather! I had put my money on your name was for Hongjun Laozu 鸿钧老祖. Welcome

I've thought about this line a little bit in the past (more about governing/politics/rulership) as 治水 is used in many ancient text to describe managing the waterworks and even talk of Yu the Great controlling the floods. And Laozi is generally 'down to earth'. But for me, it just reads a little too Confucian for my taste but it is an interesting angle . If someone wants to read a paper on the Guodian and Rulership, see: AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE GUODIAN LAOZI

My feeling right now is that TTB is largely a male posting board... and everywhere you go you can almost read about male cultivation topics... If someone wants to make it more private they can use their own PPF.

Send me a picture of you and him together in Ecuador and then tell him to contact me.

As many have pointed out, Dao is not an easy translation and then Heng Dao is adding what? The ancient chu script of this text, as does modern chinese, relies on an original pictograph... maybe less and less. For English? That's why we're here talking Yes... but that is part-and-parcel for ancient chinese anyways, yes? As long as we keep it to the formless intangible and not something transcendent then we are closer and closer...

What is the "other" of anti? Anti's anti? Or is that just hate speech itself? I agree all around. Hate speech is hate speech, regardless of the side of the fence your feet are standing on. Neither side has the right to incite, provoke, or put forth hateful words. In other words: If you target and call out someone and call them stereotype names (hate or anti-hate) and put racist words in their mouth for the purposes of claiming your objection to their position, although they never said those words... and think your justified in attacking them... IN other words, you have no position to attack another who you think is attacking another.

The flower sermon... Deci is holding flower and waiting to see who simply smiles back Is this the smile of the flower or of a man? The deep rationalistic says it is a hand holding up the entire world... as Atlas on his back... It is really just a beautiful dead flower in an empty hand... it is tapping our perceptions/senses... Are we going to bite? such ideas still 'separate' us all...

I spent most of the day talking to the brightest minds on TTB... if you were not contacted... well... you must of turned your phone off... right ? For the really smart, you are correct... none of them were men I put forth the idea of a women's cultivation thread... I thought of calling it, The Vagina Monologues Then it seemed it would get lost on the male counter-parts... So I just called it Women's Cultivation , In the PPD area. This way, it is off limits to guest viewing and the moderators (yep... not men) can do as they want with it. A men's cultivation area? SURE... it is called TTB Hate speech rules? SURE... the anti-hate speech will be included and there are enough examples in this thread to help develop that.

I have concentrated a lot over they years on the ancient cosmologies, see: Cosmology in Ancient Chinese Text IMO, The earlier the text the less Dao is seen as the One.... and sometimes not even mentioned I have never thought of Dao (even in past ideas) as the primal energy. I like the picture of the Huainanzi passage, my translation: Prior to the Opening of the Universe and pouring down of all life forms This is called the Primal Illumination. Dao arose/awoke out of this boundless void. The boundless void gave rise to the cosmos; The cosmos gave rise to [Primal] Qi. [Primal] Qi spread as a shoreline. That which was clear and bright formed into Heaven; That which was heavy and impure formed into Earth. It is easy for that which is clear and bright to uniformly gather [as the sky] But difficult for the heavy and impure to solidify [as earth and matter]. Therefore Heaven was completed first, and Earth afterwards. The coiling essences of Heaven and Earth formed into Yin Yang. The uniformly gathering essences of Yin Yang gave rise to the four seasons. The disseminating essences of the four seasons created they ten thousand things. Tao the Origin: At the beginning of eternal nonexistence, Totally the same as the Great Void; Vacuous and the same, it was the One; Not thinking of Yin and Yang... because this is straddling the order of existence before Yin/Yang. Non-existence >> Existence Wu >> Yu If Dao is present in both 'phases', then it is dormant potential energy, then changing to the kinetic manifest 'phase'. I held to that idea for a long time... but I found the the cosmologies and my experience did not agree in the end...

From my perspective, this thread has been generally very disappointing... but I can blame it all on Brian for starting it I thought to go back through and read only the male posts; and then again to read only the female posts... but I felt that I would end up with reading two completely different posting ideas in the end. I don't have the time to clean it up right now and pit stuff, but it deserves far better than it has received but I don't this really surprises some. I am thinking of how there can be a Women's Cultivation section and am asking a few for comments now. Let's see if we can keep this on topic or let it die a natural death

I used to hold more to the idea of Tao as One but it seems to get too much of assigning Dao as *something* but it is not. I don't think we should try to give Dao a form either; it is intangible. For Dao to be One, it must be that which holds the One together... prior to the manifest unfolding... which would mean that Dao is static/dormant/inert... This is another reason why I moved away from this idea, which in my head was as: Dao was similar to the 5 elements transforming in phases. Visiting a Daoist temple changed all this for me. I can't really explain why. Let's just say I saw the inverse. . Dao is an idea which arose with all things. The ONE I talk of is more like "not-two; not-one" but I don't have any other word but Pre-manifest One. What do you mean by 'more apparent link in translation' ?

Not sure if you'll like these threads: Heng (恒/恆) - Original Use in Ancient Times Chang (常) – Original Use in Ancient Times