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I didn't really comment on the tutor angle... I think the inscription is up for debate. One has to relay on archaeology, which I read a fair amount of on the ancient findings. I am inclined towards this being a learned person. If one looks at burials then the items buried with a person is often telling about who or what they were about. In a nutshell, it seems reasonable that mixed texts of high thinkers was typical of a tutor... but I rely on the research of others to convince this beyond a reasonable doubt.

As I think you know, I like ancient text and investigation... I usually will read anything which might possibly shed new light on the Guodian texts. The most important text for me is the Laozi and the Tai Yi Sheng Shui (TYSS), despite the many Confucian texts. I want to see if someone has some novel idea or thought, for me. I find this is a compilation of known facts. Others have written it all before and this is maybe a good source to "know it all" in a small way. The thesis is that the Laozi is a 'rulership' theme... this has been done before on a small scale and maybe the author decided it was worthy of a full treatment (as a doctorate paper). She raises the usual suspects (if one is aware of the scholarship of such issues): Many missing themes in Guodian but in received text; Rulership; TYSS is daoist but not a part of the canon; Daoist and Confucians are not at odds, so much, etc. What I don't like is summation effect and lack of novelty. I've read it all before (maybe others have not), and I'm waiting for something original. She often compares it to the received text as if to effect surprise or elicit wonder... but I am waiting for someone to simply look at the ancient text as if they know nothing of later text... and then surprise me. Give me a raw feeling as if it were new to you and thus, new to me. This is a safe work. Maybe doctorate papers are supposed to be safe. A good comment is that the Guodian 'set' is not a school of thought; the text are mixed. The push to make the TYSS seem important is what I am interested in and agree with. The paper focuses on Tai Yi for dating purposes. In the end, one has to be interested in this investigation of such things. The vast quoting and references are good but maybe expected of such a paper, but still looking for something new. I personally liked they inclusion of Qu Yuan as this is an often overlooked ancient Chu poet and a link to Chu shamanism in general. Realize that Laozi was from Chu and that was a period of Shamanism. There are many ancient associations to Yin and Yang but we get common references... which is good to establish but why no look into the history of associations. The one attempt in the paper was to discover a 'vertical schema'... ah.. .sorry.... Chinese linguistics tells us this already... you don't find it in ancient text, YOU SHOULD EXPECT IT. Sometimes it is curious that people get so excited in their studies and doctorate work and think they found something unique around the world... I am glad they are excited... but it is nothing new... even to a nobody like me... Otherwise, I keep the paper and like the combined reference to many, many sources.

I tend to also think one can physically do stuff to make the connections. We are truly creatures of habit but stop and list out 10 habits (or handedness) things you do... then start to work towards changing that. Whether to change it completely or just to balance it (ie: both sides can do it without favoritism). In sports this is more easily taught the younger they are.

This is a great point which I once belittled... maybe unfairly... but I took it a step further.... any cultivation is grasping and is not even remotely going to be wu wei... A paradox to say the least (or most)...

The conclusion of a 'tutor' is still debated due mainly to the actual inscription found on a cup. Hendricks, in his Guodian Laozi translation, outright accepts "Teacher of the eastern palace" but others take it as "Eastern palace cup". At least in this paper, in a footnote, there is some discussion over the debate. But the Guodian text also had many Confucian texts and most any discussion on any Guodian text talks about the potential of a tutor. For those interested to see Confucian text found at Guodian discussed and the tutor issue: EARLY CONFUCIANISM: A STUDY OF THE GUODIAN CONFUCIAN TEXTS http://arizona.openrepository.com/arizona/bitstream/10150/195186/1/azu_etd_1480_sip1_m.pdf Xunzi in the Light of the guodian Manuscripts http://www.dartmouth.edu/~earlychina/docs/2008/ec25_goldin.pdf

I said both in my mind... then took the test... Result: 50/50 I already knew the result... I've done these tests before to know I swing both ways And in sports it shows up

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Not doing and no action are incomplete phrases; I usually like to paren them as: no [unnatural] action or not [forced or intentional or interfering] doing. But there is something incomplete about just thinking we get out of the way as the method of non-interference. In fact, in my mind, it is rather that one is ONE with the flow. One does not get out of the way as much as becomes the Way. And I still find something beyond the physical in this regard and I think we find this by transcending the physical sense and we start to get a glimpse of the real power on a more energetic level. Even our intuition and instincts are probably more like this. Otherwise, the entire idea of returning to the ONE has no meaning

Apply the oil meditation idea while doing Taiji ! Let the energy continuously sink... I shared this else where but will repeat it here: When I learned this oil meditation method in Qigong, I also found it useful in Taiji and asked the Taiji master about 'sinking'. I had in my mind that breathing in was a 'ascending' aspect and breathing out was a 'descending' aspect. I was fixated on the meridian clock cycle which I was in the habit of breathing and visualizing the entire cycle in such a manner. The master told me to put a hand on his chest and his lower back at the same time... and then he breathed in [deeply] and breathed out [deeply]. He asked me what I felt? I said, the entire time, energy was sinking. He smiled and walked away... See if the foggy thinking is your issue, here: http://www.sacredlotus.com/theory/illness/six_evils.cfm

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Or begin to dissolve into simultaneity... When one struggles with the chains of duality, they make a lot of noise...

yes... on your PPF, you can be a Bad Mama Jama

yes.. it is not just preventative medicines and treatments; IT is a continual, perpetual state of preventative living. Physical, mental, emotional, psychological. I can't even count on my hands several times over how many times I heard "this is medicine", for something they eat or drink, down to the basic sweet potato This kind of mental disposition may border on positive thinking but it is but one part of the preventative cog.

Interesting point... as a Gemini, I am entitled to agree and disagree with it

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I would say that Dao is the noisy nothingness which there could be. All my senses are quite aware of its 'let the good time roll' nature. So, I guess this is a way of saying that while we can speak about it, it seems to speak louder than words.

Sorry about that.. I meant to move that to "Off Topic" but that's what happens when two subforums share the same name.

Deci... tell me to stay away as needed on this... But to me, this is a part of the 'destiny' discussion. One only finds the teachers within their destiny. We can claim, "this is my teacher... I found him/her..." I can't quite accept that. Destiny finds them and brings us together. If one follows the innermost responses and actions and feelings and follows the universe's unspoken word... why do we need to even talk about destiny and adepts and teachers? As one in transition, I can only say that it is a cognizance of destiny unfolding.

Yes. This rounds out the idea of destiny as I was asking... One's response to reality. Which I equate to destiny.

That was a perfect education I might only add that, IMO, destiny is our path and education; not just volition but is a discovery for some. This might be an interesting topic. You said it exactly as I understood. I can't speak to comments like needing Jesus (or Sufism, the teacher I learned under) or anything else in one's heart. I arrived at this meaning while in wait. Not separate. One cannot dismiss one-half but claim the other-half. Faulty logic on my part. I think this would be an interesting line to pursue... maybe in another thread.

I really hate to quote myself... but such is destiny... @Deci: My question here is really the same as posted here to you. So you can maybe just treat the topic of destiny in one place, if you want. http://thetaobums.com/topic/34539-purify-your-intention/?p=541641

That seems to be the functionality. "Posts" is limited to a single day. Content appears to be a year.

Yes. I played with whether concentration or breath was more important and for me I found concentration was more important if I want to get it to start in the first breath. Then I can settle in it and let it go on its own. Now, if I could get it to drive my car and buy groceries then I would have more time to spend on doing nothing important