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Isn't 'think' an outcome?

I found your post. Does that count

Except water comes in at least three compositions... as a gas it is more active, and maybe primordial. I am of the opinion that the reason that water shows up in very ancient chinese cosmologies is due to the 'mist' aspect; it is the equivalent to ancient Qi on some level. If one were to see the ancient script for Qi, one sees 'vapor'.

I think there should be a 'core set of questions' which is asked of every interviewee... this will help establish a base line of discernment, if you will... but I think no more than 4-5 questions.

This raises the issue of 'destiny' which I agree with the JAJ program about. What is the Complete Reality position on such issues of destiny ?

Agreed. Will move it after enough exposure to others. I think it is a great item. Agreed... but being only the second pinned topic, I think it is ok for now

Yes, chinese can/do refer to the dan tian as a reference to the belly [area].

I pinned it because I think some will find it interesting. And as it is not really a discussion like thread, it will quickly disappear. If someone wants a thread moved to their PPF so it does not disappear so easily, they can request it.

I've been on both sides. No harm no foul.

Do you have a thread on this? This implies the purity of intent is minus "your" [ownness] IF intent is not "your" [ownness], is it an otherness?

DDJ58: “It is upon bad fortune that good fortune leans, upon good fortune that bad fortune rests.” Arthur Waley (I often want to find a reason to quote the very old farts of DDJ translation....)

No harm no foul... right? But if the 'someone' has a national program with thousands taught, and known even worldly... Is there something missed if talking of Daoist magic that 'Jesus' is what comes to the forefront in discussions? It may be a loaded point to make in the midst of Daoist historical teachings.

Pass that peace pipe around in your avatar... we may all feel a little help from friends

Except the split needs to occur starting back at page 4... oh well... this is a start but I would make two viable threads and not a pitted one.

Seems to me this is similar to the Zen master who responded to the request of bondage: "Show me what binds you?" Meaning, produce it in your hands. Can you hold the sun and moon in your hands? Isn't this appearance and not grasping? Only the mind can grasp it... but this is in our physical state, and can't our minds trick us too? Grasping? Thinking, contemplating, realizing, understanding, wanting to post it, posting it, waiting for responses, reading, posting, etc. Not Grasping?

I want Ink Masters to try this on their show

Be sure to give his background and focus as I think most don't really know this. I have gathered he has a focus/experience which even most of his teachers don't have. Also, we could interview one of his master or doctor level teachers.

A Tree of Life exists symbolically in many ancient cultures as a kind of immortality. What is interesting is that it represents a divide between the divine and human. In the biblical account, knowledge (or a taste) of this means death; yet, this is simply an exchange of the immortal physical for the spiritual on some level. While chinese history is mostly familiar with the money tree, a kind of Tree of Life was uncovered in SanXingDui with a Phoenix and Dragon. The remarkable find is only understood once one realizes that ancient chinese were unaware of the land area of SanXingDui. Anciently, the unknown area was called Shu and separated from the main Yellow River civilization by a mountain range. I have visited the museum in Sichuan. So the question may be: Is there an equivalent [metaphorical] tree whereby 'knowledge and taste as a lose of physical immortality for spiritual immortality' in chinese history? I think the short answer is NO... but the metaphor may be simply different. Ancient chinese have been noted as not really having as complete a creation myth as all other cultures have. The egg story is but one and there is maybe not even another. Their creation stories are more detached from any kind of source or creator. Creation Happens. What I would say is that a tree represents a physical representation; rooted in earth; dependent on heaven. Its life line exists in both places. But if we are to bring in Dao and the TTC in any way possible (to keep this applicable to the subforum topic), one has to start with the fact that Dao is without form or mass. So a Tree (or even Laozi) would only be a physical manifestation. While we often refer to Laozi as a person (and some may question if he is even a real person), Flowing Hands has pointed out that as an immortal (LZ) is prior to his physical representation. This raises a curious question as to how was LZ really represented prior to the more deified version we see in later periods. The short answer is: As an empty seat. It was a matter of 'position'.

Yes, I just thought about that... but given 24 pages it will take some work to split out appropriately. For now, let's comment back to the original topic.

Done. Realize this only changes the display name.

I would start with meditation on Ch. 10 and 16.

Except the 'divine' is not about any immortal, god, or spirit... as taught in the course. My only point was: The word 'divine' mislead from the start.

Just accept that some will answer purely based on running off to read a book or website explanation... Those with experience tend to not need to explain it so much. But when they try to explain it to the book crowd, they are engaged in endless discussion and in the end, the book crowd knows nothing more and reveals less.

FYI: I edit your topic title a bit to get MovNat out

Yes... that may be HIS understanding and usage... but when you use that word to a room full of newbie practitioners, it will go in according to their own physical/spiritual paradigm. IN my class, many were quickly talking as if Jesus was the 'hookup'.... I just sat there and shook my internal head...