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  1. It would be a bit delusional to pull everyone else down to your level of not knowing anything about Quanzhen until you translated this. Maybe you can't accept that westerners can know something from chinese texts, practices, etc. Many here have been trying to get you to be honest about this... so it's nice to hear you admit you didn't know anything about this before reading the translation. I think one down and about 1,000 more truths to go. The last time I called BS on someone's posting, they actually appreciated it. That's another kind of honesty...

  2. Seeing

    dawei replied to deci belle's topic in General Discussion

    Life is before The Empty Eon... this playfulness with words by using words is what drew me to Zen reading many years ago and brings back a smile. Yes. Seems 'knowledge' goes through its own stages of understanding. thanks.

  3. Taoism & Confucianism - surely no way?

    dawei replied to yabyum24's topic in Daoist Discussion

    As the saying goes: "Confucian by day and Taoist by night". You can choose to explain day or night but you have not fully explained day and night.
  4. Let's dispense with the BS attempts to suggest you have any formal understanding, practice, or otherwise knowledge of Quanzhen methods... So it in your own words. Clearly, in english. Explain it in A-B-C. Just spell it out clearly. What is Xing Kung vs Ming Kung. Explain each. Which do you recommend based on your superior knowledge of Quanzhen practices. Which first and why? What is the benefit of each? Tell us in this thread yourself in your own words.
  5. You refer to The Rites Controversy... I think Jesuits were in court at the time... but whethe they set actual eyes on the emperor does not diminish their approval of the emperor. Yes, the translation is but missionary work; a person attempting a translation without proper understanding of the other language. Now self-exiled to escape further questions...

  6. And we're back! :)

    dawei replied to BaguaKicksAss's topic in Forum and Tech Support

    Maybe it should conveniently shut down for about 3-5 days But I suspect there would be a posting flurry Oh... that is daily anyways

  7. Seeing

    dawei replied to deci belle's topic in General Discussion

    Deci, So much of what your write about reminds me of the Zen story of the three-so-called stages of seeing/knowing/forgetting: 1. Before: Mountains are mountains 2. During: Mountains are not mountains 3. After: Mountains are mountains Sometimes I think that each of us are simply in a stage and maybe sometimes too aware of it. It may not matter if other stages are known or not, but the simple thought of the stage one is in may be enough cause of being in a stage-cage. And that may be why past monks requested to have these 'binds' undone; as the master asked, "what binds you?" It seems knowledge and knowing is passed off for seeing ; but we need to see beyond that; beyond a stage... and yet it is right in front of us... the Thusness you speak of... but I need your explanation.

  8. Fuck karma

    dawei replied to BaguaKicksAss's topic in General Discussion

    Your reference to Dark City was dope... Love that movie Back to people's warped view of Karma I agree in principle with your point that people's view and maybe better to the point, their tarot card reading of their yarrow stick toss in regards to their karma compass is determining their decision making... but your last part, which I quoted, seems to also suggest too much of looking at a tarot card, yarrow stick, and compass direction and then deciding To me, karma is similar to the cycles of heaven and earth and the other interesting planetary bodies moving in their paths... Their path exists; their paths affect us (consciously or not); their energies influence us (consciously or not); and yet we can live as if it is all an illusion if we want and we are none the better or worse. We are the better or worse once we realize there is something else in the air we breath; there is something else in the energy we feel than the sunshine; there is something else in the pull on our body than just gravity. That leads to a journey to life or the dark side. Maybe ignorance is bliss on some level. And yet to err is human and to forgive is supposedly divine... Karma seems to get clothed in physical and spiritual jargon. Once one can see that karma is the emperor's new clothes... then we can appreciate the thread title...
  9. So your just a translator, word for word, without context or meaning, and do not understand or know anything about the Quanzhen practices or traditions or branches... That clears it up now. Thanks.
  10. Can you explain your experience in DCXM and the years you spent understanding Quanzhen practices? On what basis can you assert your understanding and explanation of the practices and how why they have a northern and southern branch, and what implications they have for practice? Like: Why Xing first for some branches? Why Ming first for some branches? Which do you recommend?

  11. dawei replied to deci belle's topic in Daoist Discussion

    My abstract summary: Thanks Deci

  12. Classical Daoism; is there really such a thing?

    dawei replied to BaguaKicksAss's topic in Daoist Discussion

    I didn't brush off the logic as illogic is sometimes logic. Yes, Huangdi did not invent it... he was taught it... Xi Wang Mu comes to mind. Huangdi and Laozi were not joined at the hip till the Han era... that is when the Huang-Lao philosophy was recognized and put forth strongly by even the historian Sima Qian. The roll call is too long... I'll go back as far as stories go: Fuxi, Nuwa, Shen Nong, Sui Ren, Gong Gong... if I recall, Zhuangzi calls up some ancients... The point is: From the appearance of man there is the appearance of the working of Dao... even in an intuitive manner.
  13. Exactly what Quanzhen teaching? The problem with the translation overall is that you have not yet described which Quanzhen you are explaining... words become words here... And there we go...

  14. Classical Daoism; is there really such a thing?

    dawei replied to BaguaKicksAss's topic in Daoist Discussion

    What you said is a bit contradictory: 1. The core Dao teaching hasn't been invented by humans 2. So this core in Dao schools is associated with Huangdi and Laozi This is the Han era and exemplified by Huainanzi Huang-Lao philosophy which is indeed syncretic (connecting schools or thoughts). Your point #1 (which I made a #1) is my point... don't just look to human invention but human appearance towards an understanding. And there is human appearance prior to Laozi to show us the meaning of Dao. JMO.
  15. adapt it due to differences in the practitioner? In what regard? mind, body, spirit ? Let's get more specific please
  16. Very true and good idea... particularly if one introduces the three categories by showing the Taoist and Buddhist (and Confucian or other) historical influences.
  17. And why is it protected?
  18. It is already one finger scroll to get past the subs to the threads... So what if the finger is asked to exercise itself one more time while we sit and uh... type on a keyboard... there is nothing else our body is doing at the time. But as you say, it really depends on good organization.

  19. Debunking a Creator

    dawei replied to RongzomFan's topic in Buddhist Discussion

    Ok... while I questioned that opening idea, and as there is the common Theist view of an 'un-caused first cause' , I put together exactly what your stating in the second part. Now that he has said 'Like Dependent Origination', I see this is his meaning. So by the definition of not just infinite [regression of cause and effect] but also of dependent origination, everything is interdependent and must therefore have a cause. Ergo, you cannot have something 'un-caused' in the mix or something outside of the mix. I am not saying that this debunks the creator. It may simply be a theory wherein there is no place for a creator. And I get back to my 'needs assessment': This has created a scenario which does not need a creator until maybe the issue of 'no beginning' is explored as that is a 'need' (a beginning) which exert some argument for a Creator. Added: I re-read one post and see you were considering this last issue of beginnings but not pushing it: "Well, even if God doesn't exist, we have to come to terms with why and how this apparent world manifests"

  20. Debunking a Creator

    dawei replied to RongzomFan's topic in Buddhist Discussion

    Maybe I am then lost on what your arguing against. The OP stated this infinite cause and effect has no place for a Creator. Your trying to counter there is a place for a Creator? Just put the Creator into the equation instead of taking it out?

  21. Debunking a Creator

    dawei replied to RongzomFan's topic in Buddhist Discussion

    So this above is possible... but remove the creator and when one is left with only inifinite cause and effect without beginning AND without a creator... that latter state is not possible? or your just saying that the latter does not debunk a Creator? ( I take the meaning as no need for a Creator or second creations).

  22. Debunking a Creator

    dawei replied to RongzomFan's topic in Buddhist Discussion

    like steady-state or oscillating state?

  23. Debunking a Creator

    dawei replied to RongzomFan's topic in Buddhist Discussion

    Isn't infinite cause and effect contradictory to an uncaused Creator? Why is the Creator exempt from this infinite rule? While this is traditionally a theist view, its premise is self-contradictory and some might call it a false premise. So how is it NOT a false premise?

  24. Debunking a Creator

    dawei replied to RongzomFan's topic in Buddhist Discussion

    I only know that it appears that it matters to you that his premise is wrong and yours is right... and he holds the same thought in reverse. You guys can try to convince the other as you want.

  25. Debunking a Creator

    dawei replied to RongzomFan's topic in Buddhist Discussion

    I didn't ask about a Creator. I asked how did your model start?