dawei
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http://www.paulvanels.nl/publications/index.html
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One more link on Wen Zi: http://www.paulvanels.nl/resources/publications/PvE2013WenziDraft.pdf
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http://www.paulvanels.nl/resources/publications/PvE2006Persuasion.pdf
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Yes, mainly due to a lack of understanding Tao. I challenged one post about getting rid of distinction from the first step instead of later getting rid of distinctions. I was given logical reasons why it was not necessary to get rid of all distinctions, etc.... It is not about logical explanations, and years of dedication. This is an excuse for misunderstanding. This is an excuse for the status quo. When faced with some universal truth, you either embrace it or not. This is not a right or wrong issue but one of internally knowing. Internally knowing is beyond the physical feel-good philosophy.
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Disallowed by who/what/where/when/how? Man or Dao?
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Just LOVE
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I remember a flight sitting next to a lady reading a book about energy ideas and I asked her her thoughts on energy... she said she was more than curious and believed there was something to it but only read about it. I told her that she can feel it but she has simply not yet been able to experience it; and that I could show her how to feel it right now at even 33,000 feet. I showed her how to move energy within her own hands and between her hands. Then showed her how she can feel the same energy but from my hands onto her hands. Then I told her to close her eyes and then tell me how where the energy I gave her was located... In that one moment, on a flight at 33,000 feet... she experienced energy in various ways. From within and from outside herself.
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I was thinking: It is one thing to center practice around energy... and quite another to center energy around life. I was probably trying to imply that the former is the experience and interest here... but I read Dwai suggesting more of the latter. An example to try and differentiate the two: When one is NOT practicing... how much and how often are they interacting/experiencing/connecting with energy? I may be wrong about that and/or what I implying...
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No enemy, no self; no self, no other; no other, no ten thousand things; no ten thousand things, no Dao... I think this is where naturalism meets pragmatism meets the metaphysical meets the supernatural... yet without any boundary.
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I often want to say as such but not sure this is the normal experience or interest here... but nonetheless wanted you to know that there is another in agreement.
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I have eaten my plenty share of dog in china... actually few Yang meats top my choice... On the first day of winter in the north, you can't get a seat in the dog restaurant. Ritual is sometimes driven by ideas about Yin and Yang.
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I had previously, in one of the scholastic threads, provided the originator of this line of thought. I was merely here giving H.E. something to chew on. I will let the original author speak for his handling of this unconventional comma placement. Sorry to detract from your ch. 1 talk on the received text scholars. I see that DynamicTao quotes one of your links with this: “道，可道，非常道； Did the received text scholars discuss this variation at all?
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Although it is not about rejecting anything nor worrying about whether it hinders or not. Its applying the 'empty' aspect at the start rather than getting advice down the road to 'empty' onself... you will be amazed at the difference if you do it as the first step rather than later finding out you're trying to apply it later when you've already decided not to empty certain ideas. The primacy of emptiness in the DDJ may have a good application at the start... of course this is only my opinion and will be good to hear more about your journey and outcome.
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Something tells me your taking something personal. I offered a link... he should not infer that all the answers are in that link as it is not easy for some to understand this particular writing. or in the DDJ alone... or any single book or link. He has said his path is varied so I think he'll understand the point. Be open to the universe and think 'allow' more than 'disallow'.
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I think as you have suggested earlier, their may not be a true order and a varied path is good and how I view it. But if I had to share some thought on steps (which may be concurrent in some respects). 1. Drop all distinctions and labels; start with anything ending in 'ist' or 'ism'. 2. While you are already connected to the universe, it may not feel or be experienced as such. Keep in mind the three realms of Physical, energetic, and spiritual. 3. Enjoy the physical here and now; a cup of tea or enjoy a walk or savor some aspect. 4. Entertain the energy. Develop the lower dan tian, ground downward to earth energy (Yin) and expand outward/upward to universal energy (Yang). Connect internally to your innate where you can communicate with your energy and all things outside. 5. Enliven your spirit. Develop the upper dan tian and open yourself to the state where Dao originates. 6. Of course, if your like me, you read along the way but it is not really teaching you as much as it is history looking back at you on some level. It may offer ways to explain what you experience and come to know. 7. Smile back on each step.
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You might enjoy this read: http://www.confuchina.com/05%20zongjiao/Lao%20Zi's%20Concept%20of%20Zi%20Ran.htm Be careful of single source answers... unless that source is Dao itself. Edit: Copy and paste the entire link as it won't post correctly [i think] due to a comma in the url.
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Since you like Heng (恆) from the MWD text... Do you have any comment on the MWD text which did not have Valley (谷) but had Yu (浴) ? Do you treat them as interchangeable?
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I have moved more towards an understanding like this. Dao, once Dao'ing, is not the eternal Dao. It is a picture of singularity (Wu) arising into multiplicity (You), yet that is not the eternal, true Dao. Comma allows for other variations which reflect the simple principle of Tao. 道可，道非，常道； Dao arises, Dao returns, this is the eternal, true Dao.
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I usually take the Valley as more like a picture's background; it is only showing the setting for inherent 'Spirit'; as a combined pictogram they give the feeling of the roaming spirit moving about a valley but the valley represents all existence (or anything which the spirit resides in). Thus, I have tended towards not needing to actually translate 'Valley'. But in my way of thinking, Valley is the manifest of the two... so you give me something to think more about.
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I have read the referenced text before, and some of your work... so it is nice to be able to discuss your model and ideas. I think 'true' for Heng works. I tend towards also wanting to use Heng instead of Chang but in either case I see the usage as meaning 'singularity' [of Dao as an eternal state of Wu]. And this contrasts with 'multiplicity' [of Dao as a temporal state of You]. For me, the multiplicity is spoken of in the first line as well, as 'ke Dao'. Dao once Dao'ing [in temporal multiplicity], is no longer the true Dao [in eternal singularity]. I found this blog interesting for the pairing model he employs as well: http://taichi-sayings.blogspot.com/2010/07/blog-post.html Added: As for Xuan, I take that meaning as primal or original... As a kind of gate to singularity.
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I view it as multi-layer meaning and thus both/and; not either/or. I think as Chi mentioned somewhere; one translation for a word may not work in every single chapter.
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You've been here such a short time but so quickly have made pronouncements and assigned labels without even knowing people. Why do I care if the TTC is in a rubbish bin or not? I have studied and looked at and researched 100's of topics and books. I am simply reading it at this point in time; I have about 30 books I would like to spend some time to appreciate as well. I would probably have to admit I enjoyed my time spent reading Zen more than the TTC. And I suspect I will enjoy some later books more than the TTC as well. Words in a book can be interesting but life is where we find Dao... The TTC may be a finger pointing to Dao... for those that need it. There are too many books out there to care about one book... and Dao is still known without books.
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Have you have spent any time living with chinese or in china? For myself, I see much more going on than a simple case of a diffusion of responsibility. But your welcome to have other conclusions based on any direct experience and discussions with hundreds who have similar experiences too.
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Specific examples were asked four times... never an example offered. The assertions being made have no merit until some examples can be discussed. You can belittle him if you want.. but he is not a Taoist... he categorically stated as such. Others label him. I am not a Taoist. And there is nothing wrong with that.
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Scholastic Study of the Received Version of the Tao Te Ching.
dawei replied to ChiDragon's topic in 道家学说
I use 过年好. My wife is preparing many dishes for tomorrow but unfortunately I am on a business trip through the weekend... and she does a good job of making sure I am not a Taoist.
