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I agree in the sense that we are not just passive bystanders to life; we are a part of the arising and unfolding; we participate in life; we are a part of it and 'alert' or 'active' in that sense (or in our senses).

If the Ox is the mind... then the rider is [seated] 'above the mind'.

Beyond expectation. Thanks!

I felt this but did not know how to state it. Nice.

Ah... The birds system is altered by man to such an extent that it cannot live in it's natural way anymore. Very interesting and this is more to my point than I realized. BTW: What kind of bird is it? I'm curious to google it to see one.

I know your sincere in speaking about this bird... but I find it ironic to the topic being discussed which is why I went this direction. It seems to me that pet ownership at some point is very unnatural and very much against the daoist idea... but I think you said it already:

So the cage is for his sake or yours?

Is this a bird in a cage??? without any freedom of choice and movement? Maybe this is social conditioning... and then there is human conditioning... forcing an animal to adhere to our language response to satisfy our own explanation of ownership, within a cage. Let that bird fly freely and go where it will... does it return each day on it's own accord? Does it seek some conversation?

Is forcing or enforcing a routine, natural? Is following or striving a schedule following nature? I think one needs to decide if they are trying to break a pattern vs following an idea vs following their nature. My personal experience is to follow your natural rhythm. At times I sleep a very long time vs sleep a very short time vs sleep twice (afternoon nap). What you are doing and eating and drinking and experiencing and practicing seems to be variables from my experience.

That athletes are banned from its use does not mean anything. Except they should not use it. That has nothing to do with you using it. As I said... if you truly research this, you will hear 100,000 personal experiences which nobody can dispute. It may be the best kept secret since it is too effective that many [in the medical field] don't want to admit to it's success. But I do recommend that one is very careful in their research as you can pick a manufactured product more suited for women vs men. Some have added very interesting ingredients while others go the cheap way and only have HCG. I could tell a few stories from people I researched for and they are many variations. I tested many. Here is one story. While testing one, I got very dizzy the first few days and immediately stopped; then researched further it's ingredients. I found that one of the main ones was to lower blood pressure and it was lowering mine too far and causing dizziness. My wife tested it and found the same result. Since her aunt was extremely overweight and taking blood pressure medicine we asked her to try this for her weight and blood pressure. She lost 20 pounds in 10 days and stopped her blood pressure medicine after the first day since it was pushing her BP too far down. Moral of the story: Research and know what you put into your body. But the hypothalamus reset is not easy to effect another way. Your body has many 'locks' on the patterns you create over the years... This allows you to quickly and easily unlock some.

I see these three as more a transformation (think the 5 element phase/transformation), rather than a singular flow going gate to gate. Maybe I am not following your idea if you want to share it further?

Qigong Master Emits Heat From Hand 200+ degrees

If your really desperate to try something that will work, look into HCG. You can combine it with using metamucil to really boost a detox effect. Search on "hcg and hypothalamus reset".

'Energy' may not be a good word but it is the best one so far... does that make sense? I appreciate the challenge of talking about Qi as energy as it is a good reminder that it is more than that and it may be something we just don't have a proper word for. But that we can experience it and if anyone has had acupuncture they can attest it can produce the same sensation experience as needling. That something moves seems without debate. That one can use their mind to effect the same sensation as needling is quite an experience. And it seems one thing to effect it in yourself and quite another to do it in another. I once did 'neddle-less' acupuncture to a retired acupuncturist in China. She did not necessarily believe in Qigong for the same reason that most of the country does not... the government saw to this. And I did not tell her what I was going to do... but I did it to see if she recognized any Qi flow in her body. When someone in the room saw what I was doing they asked her, her feeling? Laying flat on her back and not able to see me at all, she said she felt Qi running up her leg and into her kidneys and warming them. I had applied the 'needle-less needles' to 'Kidney 1' point. So I generally agree that to 'move' something, one needs a force. Yang, Jwing-Ming says the mind (intention) is an EMF, and he assigns Qi as 'bioelectromagnetic energy'. While he is more a martial master than a Medical Qigong master, his background is as an engineer. There are fewer Qigong / martial authors who have penned as many books as he has. His "The Root of Chinese Qigong" is worth a read... as well as many untold others.

I have seen scar protocols using BodyTalk. My Medical Qigong master has integrated that into his healing practices for a very long time. I have a friend who (if I recall) had the protocol applied (by someone else) and the scar oozed fluid for a day and then healed over without a scar. She is deeply involved in energy work herself. I could send you, for informational purposes, a pdf of that protocol but one cannot really apply it without knowing the overall system. send me an email in private message.

Glad I made you laugh and your enjoying this so much. Consciousness (intention) can affect our own body and another person's body... so I am not so sure it is that far out. JMO.

Maybe you misunderstood the quote... you offer a lot of obvious jest in your ironic owledge connotation.

I think this is: "Particles once thought to be solid were behaving as waves and how they behave was dependent upon whether they were observed. When unobserved the particles took on a state of super-position or infinite potential, or while observed particles take on a well defined locations within finite possibilities." Don't shoot the messenger... It's a link after all...

I will toss a bone to the other 99.99% of the users who do not know chinese and will never know it... http://dss.ucsd.edu/~dkjordan/chin/hbcanondaw-u.html http://webspace.webring.com/people/da/akrishi/index.htm http://www.douban.com/group/topic/13583885/ http://www.daoistcenter.org/texts.pdf http://www.sacred-texts.com/tao/index.htm

I had a brief affair with early Chinese Buddism... about 3 years long. I can still see her face like it was yesterday... Another great read is "The Zen Teaching of Huang-Po: On the Transmission of Mind". His disciple was Lin Chi. His wont to beat, slap, and shock his monks is notorious... One can read "The Zen Teachings of Master Lin-Chi". Marcel Proust... and "Remembrance of Things Past" is often instantly in the present. Many things for this thread and posts.

That was kind of my point... how little science knows of this and how easily they could measure it if they wanted to... Even after they do so, they show little interest in the end. Finish notes; close book; next study.

Hey Scotty, Nice post and reference to a book... I have often felt that the Tummo needs an accessible book. I hope this maybe can deliver on that. I do know that some can swim in the very cold waters as a part of tradition or practice, without tummo. My ex-wife's father in law was german born and he could do that quite easily. It was an act of will and determination; I would say the mind/heart is 'controlling' their Way. (Heart is the 'supreme commander' in TCM). What Wolf and Tummo can do can be scientifically measured. I saw a documentary on his being brought to a US college to be put in a tub of ice and probes measured his internal temperature... and they predicted his core temperature MUST go down; that he could control certain levels but not the core temperature... To their absolute amazement (research scientist) his core temperature went UP in an ice bath. No swimming; no movement to generate heat.... Sitting in NOTHING but ice... It seems fitting he is called the ICE MAN. A final note... this is a Tibetan method... I hope that someone could share a history of it. I have read a little bit (Magic and Mystery in Tibet by Alexandra David-Neel). Very few books have changed my perspective more than this one...

I do believe in balance overall... Meaning, my way is my way; another way is another way; your way is your way... I find room for all of these to arise and go their way. If someone wants to bless food in some certain way, go for it. I don't draw a line in the sand and say "do it this way or not at all". I see many shades of colors in life. So is the Way in my view. SO I think there is room for many ways. If someone doesn't do it or doesn't want to do it... that is fine. That is their way. We can share our way but I don't force it on another as the only way. Yes, the US has great opportunities for getting quality food in most cities. I am glad you found something which helps your Way. As for meat... I am of the ancient type "O" and that sometimes feels like an excuse for the 'feeling or need for meat'... but I am realistic and really cannot separate out my lifetime cultural and social conditioning towards eating meat... but what I do find is that I need much less meat as the years go on. I do associate that to my exposure and practices in Qigong. I do not try to fight or force it. I let the path reveal itself. Listen to that inner voice. The path speaks without words.... but it provides the food we eat. Hope life is well with you.

My wife goes to great lengths when cooking most any meat; washing it, cooking it in water to put out impurities and let the blood run some, etc. Then wash and do again. I am amazed at what gets drawn out of the meat. She says the meat in the US is much 'dirtier' than compared to the meat she got in china. Also she sees it packaged and touching other items for a long time when she is used to getting a slab, bring it home, prepare it and eat it. I got used to going out every day to get food and eating it that day. One really does not need a fridge in a way.

I didn't claim any haven for pure food. Yes, I know of the melon fiasco... and milk... and why babies have trouble due to this. Now McDonalds over there is in trouble over the salt they use... And I forget who it was lying about their soy milk... But one cannot get true 'fresh' meat or fish so easy in the US. One can try to find Food, Inc Video to see something about the control of the meat industry. It's already killed, processed, packaged and browning on the shelves at times... I've eaten fresh meat (including dog) and seafood all over China. Whether they pumped it with something as part of it's feed I cannot say but was not affected in any way.