dawei
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Being committed in your training goals vs dabbling
dawei replied to Cameron's topic in Daoist Discussion
I appreciate the point your making here but the very idea of 'many different methods' has to include dabbling since we cannot know any persons destiny in this. Each path is one's own. If they have certain goals or expectations and fall short and it may be that a legit criticism for them would be that they are not consistent enough for the outcome they want. But in general, I think the opposite problem shows up whereby people make it out like you have to be a part of a lineage, or doing xzy, or must do breathing like this, or must do this much percent... All of this is striving and human effort and to some degree is the opposite of what I see the DDJ saying. I personal take no goal or expectation. I dabble in many things since I see them holistic to energy work and I want to not let the idea creep in that one way is supposedly better. In fact, I don't want any ideas to creep in if I can help it. Just follow where the heart is lead. And this is probably my important distinction: I don't see myself as seeking a goal like I am striving towards something or connecting to something; I see it more like a destiny. "Dao in you" means Dao draws you back. To me, this is the destiny. Follow that pull or feeling is enough and if your open you'll get more than you can bargain for. Recently I am reading Master Waysun Liao book, Nine Nights with the Taoist Master and I find he is describing my feeling. He uses a very curious word for describing Lao Zi's manner as "Tao Gong" (instead of Qi Gong)... and portrays is as "Tao's work" and "going with the flow"... That would be my point. If it is me, then it is striving; if it is Tao then it is destiny to flow with. -
Different groups in the Understanding of Chi Kung
dawei replied to ChiDragon's topic in Daoist Discussion
I would agree if someone has expectations or impatiences they can get let down... but for me the point is to not have either. And for that reason, have no goal. Then the results are endless and not of concern. If such things are a concern, one is certainly not following nature but a human endeavor. -
Qi is vibrational energy. Realize the arms and legs are shaped like tuning forks. The issue here may be that Qigong and Medical Qigong can be very far apart in understanding and practice. But Qi is vibrational energies as found in minerals, plants, animals, humans, and the Unity. Maybe Qi is not portrayed so much as a vibration in general Qigong practice but in Medical Qigong, you develop not just an awareness and development of this but can employ it at a deeper level. I only have a little experience in this. I am sure Ya Mu can comment much more as needed.
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Yes. The bone-setter I meet emphasized this: the tendon and muscle are the focal point concerning moving bone. Yes, I think the problem is that both sides tend to ignore the other. In some situations they complement as the most powerful tool... but it is not common to find it. We're lucky that some like you will spend many years to learn an ancient technique, improve on it with modern understanding and teach others.
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Different groups in the Understanding of Chi Kung
dawei replied to ChiDragon's topic in Daoist Discussion
Hi K, I read with interest your post... but not sure where it is going.. that is ok. We have a kindred spirit to exchange thoughts. Once there is a 'break', I now truly feel for the person who has this. But the break may be slight or not severe. In my case, it is dislodged and expected and cannot be simply relocated. There is heavy discussion I could relate to this but I'll close for now. I'd like to hear more of your thoughts. -
Bone healing and bone setting [movement] are two issues. Both are viable but western medicine seems to dismiss it. I found an advanced side of bone setting; the attempt to move bone back to it's position to re-connect. To be honest, this is not Qigong or energy. So this means there are really three aspects to 'bone complications', which I think the qigong practitioner should be aware of. 1. Bone needs repair and healing... it is in place. 2. Bone is re-connected and healing... it is in place and in need of healing. 3. Bone is dis-connected and cannot be replaced... We should probably define all three aspects more clearly and how Qigong can assist them.
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Wang Bi called it the 'heavenly emperor' modeled upon the Way... you can call it God if you want
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Different groups in the Understanding of Chi Kung
dawei replied to ChiDragon's topic in Daoist Discussion
Based on my recent experience... I now see that chiropractors know very little about the back. My chiropractor was a state university college specialist to the sports teams... and now doing his private practice... and has the exact bone dislodgement as I have... and he told me he spent years researching to understand what he had... He is as qualified as anyone possible... But I find that he really does not know anything about the back. The Guy I meet in china had no formal training. No clinical work... just a family of 500+ years passing down their training... And he could truly move a bone.. not just crack it. I went through 5 treatments and each one required 2 weeks of recovery. Cracking is child's play... moving a bone is something you will find no western doctor can believe is possible... it is very possible... in fact, it is too possible and obviously easy to do... we're stuck with the lowest level doctors. -
Different groups in the Understanding of Chi Kung
dawei replied to ChiDragon's topic in Daoist Discussion
Maybe you could clarify more... but I am thinking about bones which are meant to be together since that is by design... if they break, they should be re-attached. Where is an example of a break which should not be re-attached? I have a 'floating break' in my tailbone which is said to be of no issue... no need to re-connect. Maybe That is true... but when I do certain qigong exercises, I feel energy stuck in my tailbone. So maybe the general advice from an orthopedic surgeon that this tailbone break is a non-issue... is a big issue in energy work? I just don't know. -
Different groups in the Understanding of Chi Kung
dawei replied to ChiDragon's topic in Daoist Discussion
That you asked that is probably much more Wu Wei then frequently telling us all that your following Wu Wei; I don't think it is natural to proclaim what one is doing. And your comments spawned many great follow-ups by many members. Healing and bone-setting is a great topic. As would be whether one needs to believe to do Qigong... it is NOT required. People do it just to do it and still get results. I can get a non-believer to feel qi flow... they will then believe... of course believing gives some added intention but for practice, just let a person practice and experience. And -K- is right.. experience is enough proof. That was ancient science at work. Steve: I said "a bone-setter cannot always reconnect a bone". I recognize that a bone, to reconnect, needs to 'mend together'. Nobody can force that mending. I am not going to categorically state what a bone-setting can or cannot do. So I leave it open to the universe to show us. I had a man move my spine bones and I had both western and eastern spinal surgeons say it is not possible to do it... I have x-rays to show it. One spinal surgeon in china felt we were just trying to trick him and he stormed out of the consultation when we showed him that the before and after x-ray was from HIS hospital. We had proved to him the impossible (to his belief system). I probably agree with your point; for a broken bone to mend, it must be re-attached and no bone-setting can really do that.... Ya MU brings up the important point of bone healing... which I completely agree with. I think we are three are not so far apart in our acceptance of bone-setting and healing. The grave problem is when a bone is completely broken and truly needs re-attachment. I found that I have that problem... and actually in two places... -
Different groups in the Understanding of Chi Kung
dawei replied to ChiDragon's topic in Daoist Discussion
I'll let the original author comment Not practice what? Please be more specific. And explain what cultivation of the mind would achieve... I would like to see if your yardstick measures up to your posting and grammar. You need to seek some serious counseling... You are a poster child of needing Wu Wei. Your tossing a bone here... I get it... It was not cured... I discovered I do not just have a dislocation but a break. A bone-setter cannot always reconnect a break. There is a truism in this... -
I would like to see VMarco post here... he is about a top 5 I would read anything about... regardless if I agree or not. That is my philosophy... open.
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Taoist Temple Forcibly Demolished, Henan Province, China
dawei replied to Stigweard's topic in Daoist Discussion
Ok... so where do we pronounce and decide what one of the longest civilizations should do? If we are just after contradiction... we can find that every minute of the day... in any culture... if we want to be honest about the place and role of civilizations... would someone out there (external to us) please tell the US (yes, a cheeky way of "us") we are completely going wrong... and exactly who has got it right? -
At least you understood...
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Different groups in the Understanding of Chi Kung
dawei replied to ChiDragon's topic in Daoist Discussion
yes... what got my attention is that you attribute the list to your 'intuition' but you borrowed (plagiarized) one of the options from -K-, without any acknowledgement... and even at four options, the list is absurd... at least based on my intuition. enjoy your pigeon-holing. What also got my attention is your need to add the editorial comment after your original post... -
Ok... enuf said...
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Wu Wei is spitting... Whatever you add to it is your own prejudice.
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Then please explain the advantage of intention and spirit.
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Different groups in the Understanding of Chi Kung
dawei replied to ChiDragon's topic in Daoist Discussion
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Based on this, you would also say that Mantak Chia is not a master either...
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Yes, I understand the point here. And this would require later post-evaluation of circumstances as James Wang suggests. I suspect we don't really disagree too much on this as a philosophical discussion and description. But discretely breaking life down to an evaluation of a series of outcomes of Wu Wei or not Wu Wei is not Wu Wei too. So, IMO, the understanding is not complete until we drop our thinking on it on a purely philosophical level. Edit: I see your last point about 'assisting' and letting 'nature take it's course'. I agree that 'assisting' must allow this, as the three links suggest.
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I am sure I won't be able to express my point clear enough as philosophical discussions are limiting. Our thinking and words are from the phenomenal mind but there is a point at which this has to cease to be the basis of our understanding of how duality / non-duality lose their distinction (and it goes for all the concepts like: mind/no-mind, acquired/original, etc). I don't see 'assisting' as you do. Chapter 64 states it as assisting without interfering. Instead of just trying to explain myself more, I looked up to see if there are others who translate similar ideas. Link #1 He assists the natural self-becoming (ziran) trend of things, but does not act/tamper/interfere (wei) with it. Link #2 The Sage is able to assist the naturalness of the ten thousand things and unable to take action. Link #3 [Tao] assists them, but does not claim they depend on it; It nourishes things, but does not attempt to control them.
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I think one can intervene and still be Wu Wei... I think the key part is if the intervening then interferes with the Wu Wei/Zi Ran of another. But I can see who even my explanation is not really quite there either. LZ says to assist in but not interfere in the growth of the ten thousand things. A very subtle balance.
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I generally agree. I like the TCM/Medical Qigong model which relates the manifested aspect as 'acquired' and the spiritual aspect as 'congenital' (or original), whether emotions, spirit, etc. They are different yet the same. Harmonious Emptiness beat me to the punch line... I think we need to see the original (non-duality) and the manifest(duality) aspects are like chapter 1 says: Differ in name but from the same source.
