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I am not sure what makes you an authority on what the bums need. Many here are studying under someone or some lineage and are close enough to the teachers/masters/etc to know for themselves. SO who specifically would you like to address? Who is going off in the wrong direction in their study? Most normal people don't go around searching for proofs of fakes and then go to a website and claim this is for their own good... This is a classic troll maneuver to stirs things up. Your not proving something is fake, just that some claims of some people are. Your not really proving the person is fake since you don't know them enough to state it categorically across the board. So in the end, your not proving anything about Qigong, only about human nature. As well, your actions show something about your nature too.

Whether I believe or disbelieve, in neither case does the guy or the video do anything for me... so, who cares. Why not spend your energy on finding and showing legit Qigong instead of trying to debunk certain ones.

As to Yi made up of Yin and Xin in pictograph, I agree. Intention/thought/think is thus called "the sound(s) of the heart". The ancient masters described the Shen (housed in the heart) as accessing and perceiving the spiritual realm when the 10,000 voices arose (Wuji). Since this is the higher levels of Shengong and not the lower levels of Qigong, some will not comprehend the deeper meaning. My Medical Qigong teacher was fond of explaining in a different way: Yi leads Shen; Shen leads Qi. This would create a different picture than your xin-yi-qi-li. Somewhere along the lines (or in some lines), the role of Shen is lost in that equation or simply replaced with Xin (where it is housed). Intention is actually stored in the Spleen.

I would like to see that. I suspect I would agree with it. I do see three types of intention: 1. Physical (mind) 2. Energetic 3. Spiritual I might explain it as: the acquired, physical "Yi" develops the energetic "Yi"; as it is developed further and further it will want to join to the original [spiritual] "Yi". And I do think one can develop "Yi" in different ways for different uses. So one size is not going to fit all things.

'Yi moves the Qi' is attributed to Mozi... wonder if the OP knows this. The OP wants people to answer and then to later correct them all... then he can claim he explains the meaning and therefore he is understanding Qigong; and nobody else does SO let's play his game I disagree that indirect is Yi, particularly for most it is directly. And it is man intention; so not of Dao... it is just human practice. Practice to get to some level, maybe... If Yi gets to the point of indirect then it is not even conscious. So no need to label it. Maybe we can call it Ziran. But to me this is Qi arising in Taiji. I saw the OP mention that Yi directs the Qi in Taiji... I can't disagree more... If you are using [Yi] intention to direct then YOU are directing, not Dao nor Ziran nor Yi... When the Qi naturally arises and naturally follows and naturally flows... there is naturally Qi of naturally Yi... It is unconscious. this is Yun Qi.

I learned something similar. 1. Pack dan tian with Qi into a ball... larger and larger. 2. Turn the Qi ball (turbine style). 3. When ready and while still turning the ball, make it smaller and smaller to the size of a pearl. 4. Drop pearl into perineum. 4. Do the MCO with the pearl. 5. When done, bring back up to dan tian. let it enlarge and dissolve.

Agreed. Two comments from my Qigong master which has most influenced me are: 1. Don't agree with anything I say. Agree with what you experience. 2. A healer doesn't heal. A patient heals themself. The practitioners who spend 50-60 years healing don't need the evidence. The patients past, present, and future don't need the evidence. So just who is it that requires this evidence? Often those who have no interest in the first place but have response for it all.

I agree and why I don't really care to 'debate' such topics. Just give what info I know, experience, researched, practiced or studied and let others seek their own findings. I am not here to provide the scientific validation for something already validated through it's own historical development. Yes, and this rightly points out the equation has two sides and each holds some responsibility. Both practitioners and patients need to change how they view it. Once a patient hears 'cancer', they are often self-sealing their coffin. It doesn't have to be that way.

For quite a while, the Chinese don't trust anything in regards to Qigong, Yan Xin or anyone else. Anyone who knows anything about Qigong in China should know this... and the reasons why... for starters, the government made sure of that... You need to backup your statement with some solid proof that Yan Xin Qigong is fake... else your really just creating false propaganda.

While I don't have the same depth of background, this is generally the message from those in the Medical Qigong oncology lineage.

The link for PubMed was made and simply stated as "Evidence for Medical Qigong". Simply stated. Then you lumped into that website into a requirement for cases of it curing cancer... If you want to research specific cases of Qigong and Cancer, I pointed out that you need to focus your search to places which focus on Qigong and Cancer... Your going to need to look at more than The U.S. National Library of Medicine. I am not sure why this is so hard to understand. Is it possible for Qigong to cure Cancer? If your answer is NO, then how do you prove that position? You can't simply play down every piece of evidence with an opinion alone.

You have a dangerous way of lumping everything into one basket as part of your pre-conceived ideas concerning Qi emission and Qi healing. Just because someone can do Qi emission does not mean they can specifically cure cancer. Just as we don't assume that a person who calls himself a 'doctor' is able to do open heart surgery. You have to know his specialty, right? So let's at least apply some logic to this. If you want to investigate Qi and cancer, you need to do some homework, not just sit here and type nonsense. We are not here to provide scientific validation to satisfy your inexposure and inexperience with Qi healing. I gave you the lineage and links that focuses and trains on oncology. It started in China and has been taught in the US for several years. You need to do some research yourself on it. Qi and cancer is not only achieved through emission... there is self-healing for cancer using Qigong. Since I am so certain your going to run off and do some research, look these up too: 1. Ping Shuai Gong ... Exercise developed by Qigong Master Li Feng Shan. I'll get you started: http://www.atanone.net/ping-shuai-gong-a-simple-but-powerful-qigong/ 2. Chi-Lel ... Founded by Grandmaster Pang Ming, M.D. Again, I can get you started. http://www.chilel.com/ This is the 1996 book which documents the [then] Qigong hospital in china and their exercises for illness.

I would not confuse the CCP with the common people. The stamp may say more about the ruling class rather than the following class.

IMO, there is a world of difference between Qigong and Medical Qigong. And TCM clinical and Medical Qigong Clinical. You can claim 'practice' and you can claim 'clinical', but if they are not Medical Qigong based then I don't know how you can judge its effectiveness or ability. Again, I think there is no reason to continue this. I think the deception lies in making such judgments when there is no experience.

I understand that is your feeling and thought. You don't seem to have any interest in it and probably don't hang among people involved in such energy work. You seem to argue about a topic you know nothing about nor have any practical or clinical experience in. So I am not sure why we continue.

I don't understand why Qigong curing disease is limited to your understanding of theory? If you say it can't work this way then all Medical Qigong throughout history has not been able to do it this way? Do all masters need to seek your approval of theory for something to work? You've made it out this way.

Actually, that is not the important question. The question is whether you believe Qigong can effect such cures? If yes, then whether the video is 'true' or not is immaterial. If no, then the entire topic is immaterial.

If you look at the machine, it is an ultrasound machine; whoever put the text on the screen probably mistranslated it to CT Scan. It is based on this vid:

That video is NOT Jerry... that is probably a student. The Medical Qigong program focuses on oncology issues. If you were truly interested in anyway, you would contact them. But I know I am wasting my time with this and so won't further waste your time.

Who are you talking about ? "She" ? Jerry Johnson founded the International Institute of Medical Qigong... http://www.qigongmedicine.com/ http://www.qigongmedicine.com/info.php?i=2137 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGIN0G9JFss

You don't know any of our Qigong masters in the first place, so it's meaningless to give you names. Although I mentioned Jerry Johnson which a few people at the site know about, and if you saying he is not a good teacher than your sadly ignorant on the issue or just playing games.

It amazes me how much you talk about stuff you have no idea on. Your so full of BS. The link also states the following: "Shen, hun, and po each have a "seat" in the body, a place where they are said to rest and take residence. Thus, even though each of them can influence all aspects of the human person, they rely on certain parts of the person as a base. This situation might be likened to our own experience of working in the community and interacting with our neighbors, then returning home as a place for recuperation, rest, family interactions, and maintaining personal identity. Shen rests in the heart and vessels; hun rests in the liver; and po rests in the lungs. Although these three entities are the dominant concern in the ancient texts, in keeping with the influential system of five elements, two other organ systems are identified as having their own spiritual characteristics which are not the same as, but might be likened to, the other three: yi (intention, planning, thought, wisdom) is associated with the spleen and zhi (will; the strength to carry out yi) is associated with the kidney." Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D. writing on Shen Disorders is consistent with Jerry Johnson's teaching in his Medical Qigong. So I guess these guys are who have clinical experience over decades are confused in their thoughts...???...???...??? Have you ever seen someone who was "shen'ed out" in life or a clinical setting...??? Have you ever studied anything remotely close to shen disorder issues..??? How do you stack up your knowledge and application of Medical Qigong against these guys..???

Not sure I agree but maybe you could quote a DDJ passage to support that. The ancients saw the shen as housed in the heart, not the mind. There is Yuan Shen (Original Shen) and Zhi Shen (Acquired Shen); not all of it is simply what's inside a person's body. TCM was purged of thinking too much about the spirit[ual], so it may not be as clear as it should be.

Soul or Spirit? Are you a dichotomist or a trichotomist? Sounds the former.