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Sorry again.. my small nutshell was sharing too small a view more about the basis of the journey. So I'll share more on the practice. He talks of breathing methods as: 1. Normal 2. Normal abdominal 3. Reverse abdominal 4. EB 5. Skin - Marrow 6. Five gates 7. Spiritual Under EB, he says this allows one to store Qi in the real LDT. It seems less a technique then the state of mind to foster the creation of an spiritual embryo as he continues to talk about methods #2,3,7; the last one he claims you better buy his next book to understand! LOL

sorry, incomplete. There is a physiological and and a psychological preparation/part.

IMO, the problem with such distinctions is simply our mind's perception of differences / duality when they are really just the same end of one stick, in a sense. And I don't think we can say one is Yang and one is Yin, maybe rather, dominantly Yang or Ying due to refinement perceived. But also realize that each organ has its Yang vs Yin Qi [dominance]. So hard to use a blanket statement like Qi is Yin or Yang; Qi, like the other substances, are both. I know that Dr. Yang (author and practitioner of Qigong and martial arts) likes to call Qi , electromagnetism. I think there is something to this. Or, consider a floor light. Until you plug it in the wall, neither the electricity at the plug nor the light can do anything. Only once connected is there a flow of electricity. While we can divide this up into a flow of electricity through the house to a wall and a floor light, they are in essence singular in their accomplishment of creating Light. So, I find it is similar in men and woman: Men tend to transmit more and Women tend to be more receptive. Everywhere we go, every day, our energies are co-mingling with others. In particular, such connections are made due to being 'plugged in' to someone else. Most people don't feel it but those with strong instinctual feelings do. Once taking to a higher level of energy refinement (practices, etc), sending and sending energy grows more and more. I think the focus on jing misses the target a bit. Just call it energy.

Several of us have connected. There was nothing there in terms of Light level issues. Satan is not real would be my point. Lucifer is a different story

In a very small nutshell, Yang say it is "Self-Inner Observation". The five regulations are important but regulating the mind is paramount to discard ego and not have any plan of progress, and to avoid emotional disturbance. So there is a physiological preparation in Yang's method.

So the implication of the passages as the disciple is non-Light ? But I would guess that any higher level simple knows more directly ?

Ok, so why not

IMO, that is duality speak.

You missed the point. Whatever you talk, be constructive, civil and respectful in the end. Pose the ugly and dangerous aspects so we can discuss them. Give discussion points for members to ponder.

I don't doubt that... I'm sharing what he wrote in a book. I was rather zealously reading and practicing his stuff and could replicate his Qigong claims... but once I moved past that stage, I felt he was like most of the Energy practitioners who were heavily devoted and writing but there seemed to be no real substance to their practice in the end. I shared elsewhere when my Medical Qigong master meet him and offered to do push hands. Yang declined and correctly so as he was in front of his students. He must of known what was offered to him; a schooling. Your idea of "understanding the self leading to true realization, along with self cultivation of spiritual power" is something I've tried to get you to talk more about... is it about time we start a new thread on that ?

This is a curious and interesting topic. Sorry I missed it for so long. Evil is a label that arises, as Laozi would suggest, because one labeled something as "Good" and thus, an opposite was given birth. In nature, there is no evil because there is no language of labels. In mankind, there is a concept of evil: Stamped, sealed and delivered, I"m yours Consider that tribe that has almost no exchange with modern man. They kill anyone who attempts to go there. Is that evil? likely they would label it survival instinct to kill outsiders. I think that concept is incredibly old but still exists. So let's take a city like NYC... is there evil going on? It may depend on one's own concept of labels and how they would classify the actions that occur. So Evil is a 'bin' of what occurs based on a database field we may call 'evil'. Change to something in-between like China... where Kids are kidnapped, people wantonly killed (despite no guns), bribery is rampant, knock-offs are king of the commerce hill, officials get rich (oh, I mentioned bribery), where a wife would slit your throat for cheating on her (well, a northern one at least)... They have a saying about: "A good person who does bad things". Curious balance. Consider the label and concept of Satan... who is he/her ? If you try to connect on an energy level, you will find it empty. It is more a cultural concept embedded in our consciousness. There are other examples but I won't bore folks. So, what is evil? Whatever you want it to be. But remember, it is but a label.

That may be true on some level... on what works... but he didn't foresee the #metoo movement and its effect on the workplace https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-metoo-workplace-camaraderie-20180128-story.html https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-03/a-wall-street-rule-for-the-metoo-era-avoid-women-at-all-cost https://business.financialpost.com/executive/why-metoo-is-not-a-positive-development-in-the-workplace

it's really both... if you say, "Anyone who believes .... " then that is directed at members. But in the end, it is about how constructive, civil, and respectful can we be as we engage in discussions and disagreements. It is a board wide issue but one thread (or two) has shown itself to be a dumping ground for attacking someone; That is not discussion. As I've repeatedly said, so I agree, there is room to discuss him but constructively, civilly and respectfully as the basis. Let's talk facts and let it go where it goes.

You've missed the point so far... there is room for it. But I will say that I don't see Trump-love as much as I see folks who agree with the policy stuff; does that make it lovey fluffy towards Trump. That he can get some things done that previous administrations could not, isn't a love thing. That some of his non-political approaches have done some good, isn't a lovey dovey thing towards Trump. I like when there are more jobs. I like when the economy runs better. I like when my paycheck goes up and my taxes go down. Where in any universe does that mean I love Trump and are pro-Trump ? If Obama had done it, would I be a lover of Obama ? I disagreed with lots of what Obama did... that didn't mean I had a need to call him every nasty word in the book. I would never call him nasty words but I would call out his policy decisions and outcomes. Is that 'hate' ? I don't think so. There's lots of room for discussion. Meet you there

Change the poster and the target. Same forum issues apply. His comments are not offensive to me. And I'm not here to discuss virtues.. moralism is not my cup of soup. The comments are lacking in an ability to participate in a discussion without resorting to attacks, including to members. It drives people away from wanting to post at times. That is divisive and not attempting to participate. The Ten's of thousands have violated their code of ethics. That seems like put a liar on the stand and asking one to believe them. And their assessment in that video is directly contradicted by actual staff in the WH... You seem to miss the point of most of what I've said. I don't care if it was Trump or any target. Try doing it on HC or O... It should not be persistent attacks without any desire to discuss something. I am pro-TDB should be civil, respectful, and looking to engage in discussion. Rants will happen. But smear campaign comments on anyone is not talk. Talk facts and then folks can decide to discuss or not. Taking you and Ralis as an example... while you are anti-Trump you tend to provide some material to discuss if others want. Some language comes out (at least it is not 5-10 times a day) but the content is usually presented with a potential item for discussion. You know as well as anyone, staff have their own opinions on life stuff. So what if in the past a staff cycle was leftist ? who cares. I would guarantee that staff put aside their political leanings in looking at the board issues. We have talked together long enough and politics never comes into the discussion, only forum decorum and rules. We're asking a pretty simple thing here that has always existed on the board but the O-G has allowed it to go further. We are saying where the boundary is in regards to ANY post. This is not about one member, one target, one thread. This is applied board wide.

There are at least two basins already: Chaos and a PPD. If we were to split stuff out (instead of hiding) to chaos, it means there is something of a discussion aspect within what is split out. What is there to have a discussion over when what we're talking about are samples (very small set of examples) like this:

Your suggesting staff should monitor 24x7 and move threads throughout the day and night... that's not our job. We decide on how to handle uncivility, disrespect, and violation of rules. There is no amount of time and staff to deal with the idea you suggest. Members are expected to be self-moderating and to a degree there is peer-moderation that occurs. These are an essential part of a healthy forum. When one takes the steps to call these out as biased suppression of expression, they have ceased to grasp what it means to participate in the health and welfare of a forum and it's members. It takes a village comes to mind.

I think it is over-analyzing to some degree. Stick with an advanced practice that seeks such outcomes and one should be able to get there if they have what it takes. The problem is, trying to do it without what it takes makes it maybe the wrong practice. A few points I recall from the book on him: 1. He was like a guru to the students and had to 'help' them at times in some tests. So it seems a close working relationship, like having a guru is the true way. 2. He went into the woods to devote himself to a certain level and by cutting himself off from the world he cut down years of training otherwise... so , if one has what it takes. 3. I only recall him talking about healing people face to face but not remote healing. Yet, lots of people can do remote healing. Even can do remote connection to deities or find colony beings without help. So, if he was working with pure Yin and Yang (primordial stuff), why doesn't he just heal remotely instead of relying on inclusion of acupuncture as well. He can do stuff others can't. And others can do stuff he can't. I think the lineage traces to Mencius and Chang follows an Indonesian method. So, not taoist is correct.

It was a split off topic. One can talk Trump as has been said, there is some leeway for it... but to hijack a thread over ones inner hatred and daily fix to rant 5 times a day is not the intention of any thread on the entire board. If this was going on anywhere else, there would be lots of reports... which there have been. I didn't unilaterally make the decision all staff and owner weighed in. I'm not going to put staff through a continual review of reports. We warned at least three times. At least four members asked for civility. One member's catharsis should find help somewhere; threads are not a substitute for that kind of help.

If one is embarrassed by saying how they feel, the problem is much deeper than lack of courage.

That is an individualistic point of view, not a staff one. I am not personally bothered by the disagreeable, hate laced rants that require a daily fix, five times a day. Some people's nature have different shades of a kind of addictive need to do something. That's the way of human nature... but if one views this from a staff point of view, the forum participation, civil exchange, respectful comments to engage in discussion is the ideal. We are not trying so much to make everyone happy but to make threads safe for people to participate. If someone wants to show their hatred everyday x 5 in a thread, who can feel welcomed to join any discussion ? As I already said... we allow some leeway for venting, to get it out... TO GET OVER IT... Does a daily dose x 5 seem like that is leeway or abuse of our leeway ? if some guy hits his head against a sign in frustration, you have some empathy that likely he is working through something and you give him the benefit of the doubt that this may actually be helpful for him to do so. So you really accept the action. But if you saw him go back everyday , 5 times, to hit he head on a sign, then you would worry something else... I assume you would as I think most humans would realize that is behavior which is not the norm. So, this clarification is both to help the person and the sign and all those that walk by it everyday to see this. That is how staff needs to view things. Not so much as moral police or a dictator but one that cares about all the angles and to try and create an environment of mutual exchange of ideas, however much we disagree.

You've missed the entire point then... because the anti-Trump sentiment is not about policy at all but the person, so it is just personal. The point of the clarification is to get back to policy discussions. Hate has no place here is another way of speaking. If you want to show you hatred of someone, go do something meaningful and shutdown the computer maybe.

sorry, not so much pro-Trump as pro-policy. But if this vitriolic manner of expression was done towards Obama, I would of shut it down sooner. How's that for what does a staff person's policy position mean. The problem is members quickly play a bias card. If those who want to play such cards were on staff to deal with the reports regarding a single person causing enough work and discuss that required the owner's input, I think you'd have a different post

It is neither constructive nor serving any purpose for the thread and it puts off members. On all three counts, Sean seemed to agree that should be treated as spam. You can say something a few times (that is allowed to stand) but to repeat yourself daily x 5 x months on end and just change all the adjectives is robotic at best and senseless at worse. The thread is meant to discuss policy stuff although personal stuff is not avoidable. The problem is, the spam is all on the personal stuff. So it is off-topic, spam. There are lots of things to discuss but there is nothing to discuss regarding someone's hatred for another. That is not the topic. We're just back to TDB 101: Stay on topic

I have several of his books including the one mentioned here. He tends to use the word elixir instead of alchemy for whatever reason. He also tends to use older documents as the basis for his practice instead of what you may hear in modern alchemy practices called Ming and Xing. In the above book, I don't think he really covers any Qigong practices to do along with the EB (embryonic breathing) but the focus is on using the EB to achieve the advance stages of Qigong. Although he has written lots of books on qigong and performs that and martial arts, so he does do physical qigong along with EB, I would suggest. So, EB may be best suited for someone with a lot of qigong behind them. In the book he talks of four necessary steps of training: 1. Refine the Essence and convert it to Qi: One hundred days of Building the Foundation - Formation of a spiritual baby embryo (Independent spiritual body) 2. Purify Qi and convert it to Shen: Ten Months of Pregnancy - Nourishing and Growing 3. Refine Shen and return it to Nothingness: Three Years of Nursing - Three Years of Nursing 4. Crush the Nothingness: Nine Years of Facing the Wall - Nine Years of Educating Baby Shen to be to become Independent Five Regulatings: Body, Breath, Mind, Qi, Spirit He says the Laozi Chapter 16 is the earliest document for Embyronic Breathing. And mentions that in EB, the four necessary steps are done in reverse order (Shen comes down to meet Qi; Qi comes down to meet LDT). He summarizes this as finding the spiritual and Qi centers and then bring the Shen down to meet up with Qi. I have not read it for quite but I felt like it needed a more step-by-step. It is a virtual tome of a collection of his earlier materials, with EB (last chapter is the practice of EB, a mere 22 pages 0f 388), lots of theory and translations of old documents. I found this last item the most interesting.