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Word for word. For a translation, then use Lau as a comparison: 失-č -å-ę¼-失 loss-person-same-ah! (alas)-loss A man of loss conforms to loss -- Lau
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Heshang Gong (HSG) , 1 century CE and Wang Bi (WB), about 240 CE, both have a version of the DDJ (characters) and a commentary. There are other DDJ versions as well. See this thread: https://www.thedaobums.com/topic/33887-time-table-of-the-tao-te-ching/ IMO, HSG saw the DDJ as more a cultivation text and WB saw it more as a civil/political text. HSG's is considered one of the earliest in the fullest sense to cover all chapters, although the legalist Hanfeizi has an earlier commentary with only some passages surviving and written in a more pragmatic application to the [Warring] times (250 BC). Erkes wrote his work of the HSG in 1945. Dan Reid wrote his work of HSG in 2015. Alan Chan wrote his work of HSG and WB in 1991. Richard Bertschinger wrote his work of HSG and WB in 2010. Richard John Lynn wrote a translation on WB commentary and notes in 1999. Rudolf Wagner wrote a translation on WB commentary and notes in 2003 (part of a 3 part series). Wagner has done extensive research on WB to show that much of what is there is based on HSG. He further showed that WB notes seem to show that the version attributed to WB must of had some changes as the character version at times does not really agree with his notes.
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The Ho-Shang Kung Commentary on Lao Tzu's Tao Te Ching by Heshang Gong (Author), Lao Tzu (Author), Dan G. Reid (Translator) Amazon link Dan G. Reid (not to be confused with Daniel P. Reid, author of āThe Tao of Health, Sex, and Longevityā). I have only seen (and own) the one commentary of HSG on the DDJ... Here is another
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I played with the last lines for a long time, once before, and I like 'model' (Lau uses it). In this way, the 'sequence' would suggest as you say: by being modeled on earth we are modeled on Dao. Man vs King. This has a history of debate but seems it is not required to be so distinct. Chan in his translation notes that there are versions with 'man' instead and writes in his notes: "the king here is representative of men. Moreover, in chapter 16 and 39, Heaven, Earth and Man are spoken of together. Wagner's translation of Wang Bi's notes are explained as his (WB) quoting a text that seems to appear to say man is the most exalted being and the king is highest of men... and thus WB supports the use of Man. But Wagner says the entire section is trying to show that WB "intends to show why the king is not great but only 'also great' (see The King is also Great--Lau). He is also great because Heaven and Earth have given the highest endowment to humans and he is their lord. He is not intrinsically great but also great by this endownment."
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失: Loss, mistake, neglect, miss, fail It is an interesting set of sentences that are essentially in parallel meaning, such as: 失-č -å-ę¼-失 loss-person-same-ah! (alas)-loss There may be some leeway for a meaning of 'cautious' (cautious person) but maybe less so here.
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Yes... kind of an entropy unfolding from the Dao (natural way) to Man (intentional way). I think your finishing with the idea that from man's point of view, these are 'good' but nonetheless not necessarily without interference. What is interesting to note is that ch. 17 & 18 are in Guodian C and 18 starts, 'therefore' and the two are a single chapter there. Can also note that the first words to describe the first descent is 'ren' and 'yi' (There is benevolence and justice--Lin) both of which are important concepts in Confucianism. Remember that the Heaven and Earth is said to be 'not ren' in ch. 5.
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There are two sides of this that you should likely find out which one is at work. 1. Sperm volume is denser/thicker and jells up. This can occur with certain tonics too. 2. Certain disorders interfere with liquidity of sperm and can cause it to coagulate.
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I think there are three basic reasons: 1. readiness - most asian countries have a history of dealing with outbreaks and have a prepareness the west tends to not have in terms of mobilizing and implementing in very short order. 2. containment - this helps explain many countries quick 'lockdown' including why china did not spread so much; for other countries, their containment was mostly in not allowing transportation as well. 3. public enforcement - yes, the public has to participate in a way that supports the first two points. A government cannot enforce this alone. I would pick some countries and study their quick actions vs very slow actions. You will find some very telling stories.
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dawei replied to Tryingtodobetter's topic in General Discussion
I'd recommend you start a thread on that and ask for member input; Is purging half the opinions on the forum, balance ? Is the newer forum more balanced when members like Spotless and Walker leave/are pushed out ? Is replacing right conspiracy and hate messages with left conspiracy and hate messages balancing the forum? If folks like this kind of 'balance' then so be it.- 234 replies
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dawei replied to Tryingtodobetter's topic in General Discussion
That had a context as does the fact that I went to him several times over several issues. Despite what he gave in his absence for authority, I still went to him on issues. The board seems far less balanced now.- 234 replies
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dawei replied to Tryingtodobetter's topic in General Discussion
Using 'most' would only make it more believable but not necessarily true. Most of the members who have departed were not alt-right. It has already been mentioned elsewhere, those banned in the first wave were not due to politics but infractions. The second wave seemed less political bans but disruptions. And most of those who left (some had no affiliation to the right but simply disgusted with the fallout) have been members here 10-15 years. Like everyone on the board, left-center-right, they have grown of their own accord over the years, had many fights, been suspended, etc. I don't think you have enough history here to know of the 'endless wars this board seems to attract' (paraphrase of our owner). When you see war after war, you see a pattern to them as well. They didn't have my blessing. When I raised the issue early on, I allowed the instructions I was given from above, to "let it go". Is that better? The forum still has the same forces that caused the problems. You can't replace right conspiracy and hate with left conspiracy and hate and expect it to get better here. If you really want to connect all the dots, and they have been shared, I can talk in PM.- 234 replies
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dawei replied to Tryingtodobetter's topic in General Discussion
Not sure why the iPad is not consistent in starting a sentence as capitalized. I had to even fix the first sentence.- 234 replies
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dawei replied to Tryingtodobetter's topic in General Discussion
I include myself. Thanks.- 234 replies
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dawei replied to Tryingtodobetter's topic in General Discussion
re-read. Youāll see Iāve been mentioning the recent departures. That is the topic at the start and my comment at the start was quoted.- 234 replies
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dawei replied to Tryingtodobetter's topic in General Discussion
well, your post caught me off guard but made me realize what you and Ralis were coming from. Maybe more words would of helped in some posts to make certain statements clear.- 234 replies
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dawei replied to Tryingtodobetter's topic in General Discussion
no problem. Iāve stayed focused on the topic and didnāt catch references were meant for an earlier time. Ok, that is my bad. But not 100% who left in either time are all aligned to the right.- 234 replies
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dawei replied to Tryingtodobetter's topic in General Discussion
nope. All my posts are about the topic of recent departures. Ralis added in the previous departures.- 234 replies
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dawei replied to Tryingtodobetter's topic in General Discussion
see my other response. I think weāre talking two different departure of members. I was trying to stay on topic of the OP. Those that just left weāre not all right wingers. Including Spotless named in the title. so Iām talking the recent departures. Maybe we add Walker now.- 234 replies
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dawei replied to Tryingtodobetter's topic in General Discussion
I realized what is going on... Ralis and you are posting off topic. The topic was, where is Spotless and other members like Jeff. I responded to that. Ralis is talking about an earlier departure of members. Elsewhere Ilum rightly said right wingers were asked to leave but those banned were due to infractions. the later departures seem to me what the OP raised. i think you are over-thinking things.- 234 replies
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dawei replied to Tryingtodobetter's topic in General Discussion
I donāt know Lori and if itās something at another site (or closed one), I was not aware of anything with her. If she didnāt give her permission to have here say spread here, Iād likely not talk myself if I knew. Iāve heard stories though. Somethings I donāt agree with and would not do myself but I only know stories and not facts from both side. i think I realize your comments now, about my offer of a PM. I meant that for finding Spotless at another website, as he is in the title. I never got a request. Iām good and working from home with or without the virus. I like it that way.- 234 replies
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dawei replied to Tryingtodobetter's topic in General Discussion
you made a completely false statement. If you donāt know every last person in depth enough to make such a false comment then itās delusional, right? why not say something people can believe, like , most were...- 234 replies
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dawei replied to Tryingtodobetter's topic in General Discussion
since when did I ever do such a thing? are you ok?- 234 replies
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dawei replied to Tryingtodobetter's topic in General Discussion
Thatās a worse lie than any Trump told but include Spotless as he is part of the topic and my response.- 234 replies
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Bill Maher is right- The wet markets plus the Wuhan lab
dawei replied to Immortal4life's topic in The Rabbit Hole
China is arguably the most racist nation there is... and while that does not negate anti-chinese racism, it is somewhat shifting sand to start using one's own concepts of morality and racism (or the lack of, in CCP) to claim king of the racist mountain. -
Bill Maher is right- The wet markets plus the Wuhan lab
dawei replied to Immortal4life's topic in The Rabbit Hole
These are not racist statements. Southern Chinese proudly have the saying of the 4 legs that the northerners view with some disgust. The two next are statements of fact. certainly, people can have their opinion on what wildlife or other animal practices or consumption to curb or stop but that doesnāt mean itās racist as has been shared so far here.