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It was not directed at any person but a nursery rhythm came to my head based on the topic title.

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Is it an ideal world or simply his world [view]... as one in accordance with Dao. It may be ideal to those who are not in complete accordance with Dao ?

I think this is an important concept but is likely just not a ready concept for most. Forget the gender reference and consider it in other various ways... I think the problem is that Yin vs Yang , and Female vs Male has a stronghold on our mind in terms of the dual archtype... these are just fingers pointing to the moon.

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Mencius, a non-daoist, is the origin of the idea... he said, in brief: Yi leads Qi. He sought to explain that cultivating a moral basis requires a physical basis; Thus, [moral] intention leads [physical] Qi. Intention is related to the heart; Qi related to the body. The former is about direction and the latter about dimensions. Now, there is a kind of more forceful intention (mind is trying to control the flow) and a more natural one (mind lets go of the flow). And there is a kind of spirit based one where the mind can just have a thought-shift that opens a door for energy/spirit to move. And there is a kind of Dao based one where the mind, intention, Qi, spirit are simply all just one. In a way, this is the meaning of 'returning to One'. Now, back to your question: The moment between deciding to move and not moving? One may call that indecision but if it is empty enough, it is pure stillness as there is no need to consider moving vs not moving. In that moment, you can realize both 'to move and not moving' as One... it doesn't matter any more. BTW: Yan Jwing Ming is a Taiji/Qigong teacher of things.... he is still within the Mencius idea...

It would be good if everyone took responsibility for their role in online exchanges... but I do get it is easier to be more like a wild west. Admin or staff admonishments go on all the time, sometimes in PM or even email. Realize, members know about 30% of what staff is doing. If you can truly accept that, then we're getting somewhere

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I think I would re-word you idea as: When the true Dao is lost/forgotten, then people become caught up in attaching to what their senses feel. Such attachment leads to detachment of their senses in regards to living When everyone gets caught up in this, it may be hard to realize what to trust, and without simple trust, the Dao becomes even more hidden. The road back to the Dao is found with quieting the mind and just doing what needs to be done. (Letting go of all those attachments. In the mind).

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The #1 priority is chat... and Sean needs to write a script to get everyone invited there... I'll push this "Ignore Threads" to #2 as I think it is really a great idea. But we're subject to the author's vision and 'ignoring' ability.

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I've had my say here and here: COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS CONCERNING DAOISM (TAOISM) Classical Daoism; is there really such a thing?

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and '"just be empty" is a trope for a conduit that connects heaven and spirit/soul.

I think of the words of Jesus, being 'in this world but not of this world'... Hu understood this and exposed it to those within this world.

I am married to a chinese lady and have been to china at least 20 times... my heart beats chinese understanding... but I understand the East vs West gap... I spoke in another thread that true freedom is allowing the other person to respond freely... if it comes back as personal, then it is not a complete free dialog and discussion. A seeker of truth should be able to cut it up and keep the worthy pieces and let go of the unworthy pieces. That is just my idea. Follow your heart and inner signal. Keep questioning and asking. Why is she even here? Why are you even here? Ergo, that's why we're having this discussion... and why the forum exists

My wife is Chinese Man... there is a very interesting take on someone's view within china on china... Mongolians might feel that way too. I spoke to the 'non-question' thing... I understand the issue on a certain level. There is a very certain Confucian society at work, but I think there is one apt saying: Confucian by day and Daoist by night. If it is antagonistic to your personality, then you are western breed No shame but a great truth or at least a realization. We should know our differences and where we meet. Which may include, where we cannot impose or force another to our thinking and way, yes? I would not agree that Awaken doesn't like you... she likely doesn't like the style of the question. It is my opinion that chinese don't judge the person but the style of their approach. In the west, this may be a good lesson.

That is all very fair game... Awaken has stated many times in many threads she does not have a command of english as english speakers do... yet she is trying to communicate as she can best do. I could spill a few pages on this gap but let's see if we can accept that other folks who grew up in cultures that are straightforward in a different way.

By this comment... you've never been to china... it is only personal in the west. In the east, it is a much deeper issue going on Time to drop paradigms and thinking about cultures... time to feel cultures... As my chinese wife says, 'chinese don't care about asking age.... everyone asks that... why care that as a question... just like asking about how much money you make. THese are normal questions'. Let's not impose our western brainwashing with another culture that follows a much more open way. To be fair, there are lots of questions chinese will not like, but this is not my thread

One truth is, there is variation among nature... obsessions are spread very wide and far. As as "personal don't believe"... Each should follow their heart [of Dao] and respect that others are doing it in completely opposite ways. Some prefer the 'birds of a feather' thing and others like 'opposites attract'. Some don't have as rigid paradigms. That's what makes the world go round These are cultural issues so I would not knock it so hard. China is the only surviving ancient culture for a reason. And Awaken is from Taiwan and it may not completely agree with how some mainland Chinese feel. That last comment is not to be taken in any way except that I simply have no comparison to how mainland chinese daoist feel about this but I might likely suspect it is similar. I think all of them are about learning how to respect authority, which may seem odd as we talking formal daoist adepts who are supposed to be flowing with nature. So, how is it about respecting authority? I find that china has a strong mindset built on the idea of 'following' but the modern path is more militant; follow what the government says, what your teacher says, what the police says. I think this comes out of the teacher-student paradigm. Although you don't care for it, let me make a few more comments. I don't know much about daoist monastery methods so I'll glean from my brief period of love of reading Zen. When I first encountered Zen, I couldn't stop laughing and read... the stories poured through me without any end in sight. I was mesmerized by a deep understanding, which was quite simply this: Our questioning gets in the way of advancing. Now, advanced could mean several levels (physical, mental, emotional, psychological, spiritual) but it was clear in Zen, to me, that they are all really One thing but from our mental mindset it would be best to think the world spiritual as that is an 'otherness' the individual tends to feel is outside of them 'self'. Zen took a bold and dramatic path of slapping your question with a nonsensical answer, but it was only nonsensical to the questioner because they couldn't see the Oneness in the Q&A. I suspect on some level, the Daoist adepts are taught to refrain from the three questions because these are 'important' or 'common' questions, which makes them a hindrance. How is that a hindrance? Ask a question to someone and see if they don't want to answer? Does it bother you that your freedom to ask was meet with their freedom to not answer? If it bothers you that they did not answer you, it is a hindrance question/issue. I learned this issue with my first wife who could not accept my freedom to answer as I wanted. That likely lead me to my current understanding on asian thoughts and my journey was one hell of a ride for sure...

very interesting stuff... better than going to news outlets at this point. I had a few reactions/thoughts: 1. We do really need to get away from oil and I think that is happening slowly with better technology and other sources. It can't happen fast enough and I think it won't anyways. 2. I agree with Ralis agreement on the bolded text... our built in kill switch seems within reach on some level. But our species will end one way or another... and rise again. Eon's of such cycling through nature shows as much. 3. The whole climate change thing is a kind of quasi-nothing-burger for me. Climate is irreversible because population is also, and the kill switch creeps closer due to reasons mentioned. I am certain the climate is changing and as certain it has always changed... no argument there. The last ice age was 11,000 years ago. What will be telling is how long will it be to the next cycle of cooling or warning...

This sounds very interesting and I'm glad you are here despite some of the rough road. I look forward to your posts.

kind of funny this was raised... I asked Sean about a wider foot print... I like white space but we could widen... particularly with the PPD listing causing scroll down. At least Dae recommended we put that to the bottom and so, ergo, the re-organization.

That is a great point !!! So why not document on camera student outcomes. That would be really cool. I've heard the arguments from all sides and I will agree with the idea that a picture is worth a 1,000 words