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Summary, based on comments: 1. Laozi is reflecting the rising and falling, the perpetual nature of all things - and the vastness of the eternal Tao. 2. This verse is about how incredibly vast and interconnected the Dao is. If you feel you know something about the Dao it will kick you awake and let you know that you actually don't know anything, it is so vast. We go back to Dao xin "look with your heart" Daoist cultivation techniques known only to very few. "See its form in the glare" ie in some lights we can actually see energy as well as feel it. "Be at one with the dust of the Earth, simplify your nature" Again referring to self cultivation techniques. "Ever present, hidden in the depths of the myriad things" He is telling us where to look again, how we can source and cultivate. 3. The Tao is an empty primordial sea of motion and void. It is the motion of this nothingness that gives birth to all that exists (10,000 things). Quiet the lower emotions, Open the heart, Move beyond the glare of the astral, Merge (become one with) all, and be able to differentiate even the smallest partical of dust. 4. This chapter talks about the process of the birth of immortal. the first step, the emptiness... then the second stage of the emptiness, a big hole… then the changes of the hole. The hole is full of light. at first, the light of the hole has much dust, then it become clear and pure, then an immortal show up. At first, it sink and come out. Then it appear like a human. But not a human.

In case future links die... lets at least post one text example: http://www.taoistresource.net/1189tsp.html Treatise of the Exalted One on Response and Retribution Translated from the Chinese by Teitaro Suzuki and Dr. Paul Carus THE Exalted One says: Curses and blessings do not come through gates, but man himself invites their arrival. The reward of good and evil is like the shadow accompanying a body, and so it is apparent that heaven and earth are possessed of crime-recording spirits. According to the lightness or gravity of his transgressions, the sinner's term of life is reduced. Not only is his term of life reduced, but poverty also strikes him. Often he meets with calamity and misery. His neighbors hate him. Punishments and curses pursue him. Good luck shuns him. Evil stars threaten him; and when his term of life comes to an end, he perishes. Further, there are the three councilor, spirit-lords of the northern constellation, residing above the heads of the people, recorders of men's crimes and sins, cutting off terms of from twelve years to a hundred days. Further, there are the three body-spirits that live within man's person. Whenever Keng Shen day comes, they ascend to the heavenly master and inform him of men's crimes and trespasses. On the last day of the month the Hearth Spirit, does the same. Of all the offences which men commit, the greater ones cause a loss of twelve years, the smaller ones of a hundred days. These their offences, great as well as small, constitute some hundred affairs, and those who are anxious for life everlasting, should above all avoid them. (Moral Injunctions.) The right way leads forward; the wrong way backward. Do not proceed on an evil path. Do not sin in secret. Accumulate virtue, increase merit. With a compassionate heart turn toward all creatures. Be faithful, filial, friendly, and brotherly. First rectify thyself and then convert others. Take pity on orphans, assist widows; respect the old, be kind to children. Even the multifarious insects, herbs, and trees should not be injured. Be grieved at the misfortune of others and rejoice at their good luck. Assist those in need, and rescue those in danger. Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain, and regard your neighbor's loss as your own loss. Do not call attention to the faults of others, nor boast of your own excellence. Stay evil and promote goodness. Renounce much, accept little. Show endurance in humiliation and bear no grudge. Receive favors as if surprised. Extend your help without seeking reward. Give to others and do not regret or begrudge your liberality. (Blessings of the Good.) Those who are thus, are good: people honor them; Heaven's Reason gives them grace; blessings and abundance follow them; all ill luck keeps away; angel spirits guard them. What ever they undertake will surely succeed, and even to spiritual saintliness they may aspire. Those who wish to attain heavenly saintliness, should perform one thousand three hundred good deeds, and those who wish to attain to earthly saintliness should perform three hundred good deeds. (A Description of Evil-Doers.) Yet there are some people whose behavior is unrighteous. Their deportment is irrational. In evil they delight. With brutality they do harm and damage. Insidiously they injure the good and the law-abiding. Stealthily they despise their superiors and parents. They disregard their seniors and rebel against those whom they serve. They deceive the uninformed. They slander their fellow-students. Liars they are, bearing false witness, deceivers, and hypocrites; malevolent exposers of kith and kin; mischievous and malignant; not humane; cruel and irrational; self-willed. Right and wrong they confound. Their avowals and disavowals are not as they ought to be. They oppress their subordinates and appropriate their merit. They cringe to superiors to curry favor. Insentient to favors received, they remember their hatred and are never satisfied. They hold in contempt the lives of Heaven's people. They agitate and disturb the public order. They patronize the unscrupulous and do harm to the inoffensive. They murder men to take their property, or have them ousted to take their places. They slay the yielding and slaughter those who have surrendered. They malign the righteous and dispossess the wise. They molest orphans and wrong widows. Disregarders of law they are, and bribe takers. They call crooked what is straight, straight what is crooked, and what is light they make heavy. When witnessing an execution, they aggravate it by harshness. Though they know their mistakes they do not correct them; though they know the good they do not do it. In their own guilt they implicate others. They impede and obstruct the professions and crafts. They vilify and disparage the holy and the Wise. They ridicule and scorn reason and virtue. They shoot the flying, chase the running, expose the hiding, surprise nestlings, close up entrance holes, upset nests, injure the pregnant, and break the egg. They wish others to incur loss. They disparage others that achieve merit. They endanger others to save themselves. They impoverish others for their own gain. For worthless things they exchange what is valuable. For private ends they neglect public duties. They appropriate the accomplishments of their neighbor and conceal his good qualities. They make known his foibles and expose his secrets. They squander his property and cause divisions in his family. They attack that which is dear to others. They assist others in doing wrong. Their unbridled ambition makes for power, and through the degradation of others they seek success. They destroy the crops and fields of others. They break up betrothals. Improperly they have grown rich, and withal they remain vulgar. Improperly they shirk without shame. They claim having done acts of favor and disclaim being at fault. They give away evil in marriage and they sell wrongs. They sell and buy vainglory. They conceal and keep a treacherous heart. They crush that which is excellent in others. They are careful in hiding their shortcomings. Being on a high horse they threaten and intimidate. With unrestrained barbarism they kill and stab. Recklessly they cut cloth to waste. Without festive occasions they prepare cattle for food. They scatter and waste the five cereals. They trouble and annoy many people. They break into others' houses to take their property and valuables. They misdirect the water and light fires to destroy the people's homes. They upset others' plans so as to prevent their success. They spoil a worker's utensils to hamper his efficiency. When seeing the success and prosperity of others they wish them to run down and fail. Seeing the wealth of others, they wish them bankrupt and ruined. They cannot see beauty without cherishing in their hearts thoughts of seduction. Being indebted to others for goods or property, they wish their creditors to die. When their requests are not granted they begin to curse and wax hateful. Seeing their neighbor lose his vantage they gossip of his failure. Seeing a man imperfect in his bodily features they ridicule him. Observing the talent and ability of a man worthy of praise, they suppress the truth. They use charms for the sake of controlling others. They employ drugs to kill trees. Ill-humored and angry they are towards teachers and instructors. They resist and provoke father and elders. With violence they seize, with violence they demand. They delight in fraud, they delight in robbery, they make raids and commit depredations to get rich. By artful tricks they seek promotion. They reward and punish without justice. They indulge in comforts and enjoyments without measure. They harass and tyrannize over their subordinates. They terrify and threaten to overawe others. They accuse heaven and find fault with man. They blame the wind and rail at the rain. They stir up party strife and law suits. Unprovoked they join factious associations. They rely on their wives' and other women's gossip. They disobey the instructions of father and mother. They take up the new and forget the old. Their mouth asserts what their heart denies. Shamelessly greedy they are for wealth. They deceive their father and their superiors. They invent and circulate vile talk, traducing and slandering innocent men. They slander others, yet themselves feign honesty. They rail at spirits and claim to be right themselves. They reject a good cause and espouse a wrong cause, spurning what is near, longing for the distant.. They point at heaven and earth to make them witnesses of their mean thoughts. They even call on bright spirits to make them witness their degrading deeds. When they ever give charity they regret it afterwards. They borrow and accept without intention to return. Beyond their due lot they scheme and contrive. Above their means they plot and plan. Their lusty desires exceed all measure. Their heart is venomous while they show a compassionate face. With filthy food they feed the poor. With heresies they mislead others. They shorten the foot, they narrow the measure, they lighten the scales, they reduce the peck. They adulterate the genuine, and they seek profit in illegitimate business. They compel respectable people to become lowly. They betray and deceive the simple-minded. They are greedy and covetous without satiety. They curse and swear to seek vindication. Indulging in liquor they become rebellious and unruly. With the members of their own family they are angry and quarrelsome. As husbands they are neither faithful nor kind. As wives they are neither gentle nor pliant. As husbands they are not in harmony with their wives; as wives they are not respectful to their husbands. As husbands they delight in bragging and conceit. Always as wives they practice jealousy and suspicion. As husbands they behave unmannerly toward their wives and children. As wives they lack propriety to their father-in-law and their mother-in-law. They make light of the spirit of their ancestor. They disobey and dislike the commands of their superiors. They make and do what is not useful. They harbor and keep a treacherous heart. They curse themselves, they curse others. They are partial in their hatred and partial in their love. They step over the well and they step over the hearth. They jump over the food and jump over a person. They kill the baby and cause abortion of the unborn. They do many clandestine and wrong deeds. The last day of the month and the last day of the year they sing and dance. The first day of the month, the first day of the year, they start roaring and scolding. Facing the north, they snivel and spit; facing the hearth, they sing, hum and weep. Further, with hearth fire they burn incense, and with filthy fagots they cook their food. In the night they rise and expose their nakedness. On the eight festivals of the seasons they execute punishment. They spit at falling stars and point at the many-colored rainbow. Irreverently they point at the three luminaries; intently they gaze at the sun and at the moon. In the spring they hunt with fire. Facing the north, they use vile language. Causelessly they kill tortoises and snakes. (Punishments for Evil-Doers.) For all these crimes the councilors of destiny deprive the guilty, according to the lightness or gravity of the offence, of terms from twelve years to a hundred days, and when the lease of life is exhausted they perish. If at death an unexpiated offence be left, the evil luck will be transferred to children and grandchildren. Moreover, all those who wrongly seize others' property may have to compensate for it, with wives or children or other family members, the expiation to be proportionate up to a punishment by death. If the guilt be not expiated by death, they will suffer by various evils, by water, by fire, by theft, or by robbery, by loss of property, by disease and illness, and by ill repute, to compensate for any unlawful violence of justice. Further, those who unlawfully kill men will in turn have their weapons and arms turned on them; yea, they will kill each other. (A Simile.) Those who seize property, are, to use an illustration, like those who relieve their hunger by eating tainted meat, or quench their thirst by drinking poisoned liquor. Though they are not without temporary gratification, death will anon overcome them. (Good and Evil Spirits.) If a man's heart be awakened to the good, though the good be not yet accomplished, good spirits verily are already following him. If a man's heart be awakened to evil, though evil be not yet accomplished, evil spirits verily are already following him. (Quotations.) Those who have hitherto done evil deeds should henceforth mend and repent. If evil be no longer practiced and good deeds done, and if in this way a man continues and continues, he will surely obtain happiness, and felicity. He will, indeed, so to speak, transform curses into blessings. (Conclusion.) Therefore, blessed is the man who speaketh what is good, who thinketh what is good, who practiceth what is good. If but each single day he would persevere in these three ways of goodness, within three years Heaven will surely shower on him blessings. Unfortunate is the man who speaketh what is evil, who thinketh what is evil, who practiceth what is evil. If but each single day he would persevere in these three ways of evildoing, within three years Heaven will surely shower on him curses. Why shall we not be diligent and comply with this?

If it is in the past it is past... this seems more a present condition. Maybe you mean there is a [karmic] past that has lead to the present attachment... Can you explain more?

I think the base approach for any software issue is to clear and clean the PC. Then see what happens. I empty history/cache on every browser, one by one. Then also use: CCleaner Advanced System Care System Ninja Then sometimes unplug the computer and take the battery out to do a complete discharge. Consider this a computer detox

This is the subtlety of it... being of the same source still echos 'separation'. Being really sameness echos 'singularity'. That is why I prefer primal/primordial; the state when two are One. I recall reading someone describing it as the moment between Yin and Yang; not-Yin and not-Yang, yet both. Consider the moment you are about to fall asleep; not-awake and not-asleep; yet both. Your thoughts are on neither, yet both are one in that moment.

This is on my 'to watch list'... my son said to watch this before, "Into the Badlands" series to appreciate both.

Yes, it relates to those other chapters too and one can come to a similar conclusion of a kind of stable state or 'secret' (as in arcane or mysterious) state. I'm one who likes 'primal' as a core meaning. In ancient times, it was used as a color regarding birds, clothes or the sky. The Yi JIng said, 'Heaven is Xuan (dark) and Earth is Huang (yellow). I like how Dust translates as, together/same called 'xuan'. This should draw one back to the idea of a stable state of oneness where Yin and Yang have not separated... and yet also describes Wu and You, the separated state of non-manifest and manifest as really sameness. Echoes of, Void = Form.

Try Bradford Hatcher's materials: http://www.hermetica.info/ scroll down to Lao Zi - Dao De Jing (Lao Tzu - Tao Te Ching) [Free 265 Page, Zipped, Read-Only PDF] Starting on page 55 is the concordance like characters with translation

Realize that each member has a storage cap... now that you figured it out, you might want to remove it

To save any file, you attach it to a post. "My Media" represents files you have already attached. It is not like a storage area to just up files and then use. They are all your attachments.

As an update, having talked among the Admin/Tech Level. Nothing on the site has changed and it is the same as it was last year or 10 years ago as far as the software side. The server side could be different. But browsers have come to want tighter security and that is what folks are seeing if your browser raises a notice about https. We're still working towards a new server and software upgrades but not getting useful answers or solutions with the particular errors we encounter.

Thanks, I'll pass this along

Each member has a storage limit. I think you can view all your uploads within your profile. YOu can see if you should remove some of the biggest or oldest images to see if that helps.

Their 'uselessness' only has meaning because of their [previous] 'usefulness'. It has nothing to do with those not cultivating Dao. The space (formless) between Heaven and Earth (form) is also an analogy. Form only has meaning due to previous formlessness, to which form will return. So even this ceremonial act reveals the processes of nature; the recycle reveals in a sense, Form=Void. It is just the perspective that changes.

It is a difficult number as I see CBO numbers vary by article. I think the main problems are that there are groups of folks who are either helped or not helped but there is no view towards understanding the problem. Those who get subsidies are not going to complain. The problem is, lots of folks are getting subsides that should not. But it seems about 10,000,000 people received subsidies. The CBO said that the AHCA would cause 14,000,000 to lose insurance by 2018... So why would the AHCA cause that if it is supposedly based on competition, etc ? The studies just don't add up no matter which side makes claims. The current administration is stuck inbetween groups on this: 1. Dems - don't want any change so one should not of expected any votes from them 2. Moderate Reps - They lean toward some Dem ideas and want to avoid too much repeal 3. House Caucus - I think these guys might of caused most of the problem by not accepting the RyanCare plan. My understanding is that they want to go much further in 'repeal' and don't like Phase 2 and 3 yet, and didn't see the proof that costs will go down. 4. Conservative Reps - Seemed to generally get in line behind Ryan but it was not enough. I personally do think it was rushed a little too much. While I think it is natural to try and secure more votes with compromise, the direction they take now will be very telling: Move more towards the Dems (and pickup the Moderate Reps) or join more with the HC and go further towards repeal. The irony will be if they do the latter, then some will realize that Ryancare wasn't so bad. I think they should also evaluate other plans that are being pushed. Time to find out what makes sense to the widest group.

that's fine... but the staff still pays attention to the 'spammer' side of things. These are not just a dumping ground of anything. The goals were stated in the pinned topic and of course its loosely enforced but it is not to be a platform for any one person's desire to post so much it turns off others from talking anymore.

I wonder what were the forecasts on how many would get health care provided by the Fed $$... and how much did they actually spend. The reason I ask is, there is also a group of folks who went after free (or generally free) care... so curious how much was spend on them or at least those subsidized.

Let's at least stay on topic... Your posting quite a bit today... just an observation

Here it is http://www.thedaobums.com/forum/508-rene/

Upon re-reading, I realize I did not keep this in context... we're talking about Dao So, here is how I understand it: [Dao] can transmit/give but [Dao] does not receive [it from another or itself]

Here it is http://www.thedaobums.com/forum/507-deltrus/

But Legge's translation is as difficult to accept; to transmit implies receiving. To hand down is to imply received [before or after]

I am surprised at how many go this direction... it just doesn't pass the 'does it make sense' test. Interesting that Legge's wordiness does at least work and his 'dogs of grass' follows some of the oldest commentators. I'm partial to impartial and more aligned with 'not humane' to follow Bu Ren, as Ren is an important Confucian term and I can see LZ trying to say.... it ain't about that...

The character would be 雲 and not 云, as the latter is just a more modern understanding of the former. I can't make any comments on 熉 as I don't see anyone but you suggesting this. So I have nothing to research further.