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One of my Favorite authors on the applications of Taoist Philosophy AKA: TTC. He only signed his name "Wei Wu Wei" THE 'WEI WU WEI' ARCHIVES

The most important sentence (to me) in the entire book: #10, Chapter 3: "Do that which consists in taking no action and order will prevail." To me this says that the true order of things lays in nature and, as such; no action is the ultimate action, as it relies upon simply revealing the perfect order that is within nature herself AKA: Yin. It is Wei Wu Wei.. The Action (Wei) of No(Wu) Action(Wei).

The only one that can forgive you is You. All else is religious B.S. Think about it.

From DC Lau's translation: Copyright 1963 8. Not to honor men of words will keep the people from contention; not to value goods which are hard to come by will keep them from theft; not to display what is desirable will keep them from being userled of mind. 9. Therefore in governing the people, the sage empties their minds but fills their bellies, weakens their wiils but strengthens their bones. He always keeps them innocent of knowledge and free from desire, and ensures that the clever never dare to act. 10. Do that which consists in taking no action and order will prevail.

Savasana

Go to see the movie "Inception" a few times and maybe you will leave with a hint of the reality of the dream world.

Prayer is asking, talking - Meditation is listening, hearing, recieving. But not necessairily from a god but maybe only a more evolved existance ```````````````````````````````` Yes - you need to fix your e-mail.

Finally ! Something worth Voting For ! Besides: "There is no becoming ALL IS. " The Will of the Masses Will Be Known !

Yes I've read where Donald Trump uses it to lay out his buildings in New York City Trump Feng Shui To make a long story short - Chinese culture is based on experience and achievable, well planed objectives. Feng Shui was discovered by farmers planting crops..

TTC contains the Essence of Chinese Culture. The way they walk in the crowded streets. The way they raise their children. The way they live and die. The way remembered. It is China.

O-O - Rene caught me in a Boo-Boo... I was sleepy <-(excuse- Actually I was test tasting my latest batch of blueberry wine ) and posted the first 3 chapters of TTC... in my book Translated by D.C. Lau (1963) if anyone want's to know how to make wine - e-mail or PM me- My grandfather taught me how to do it when I was about 10 years old.(It can be ready for taste test by Christmas) Well - at least I ain't got to do it again - So- Here's Chapter 2 4 The whole world recognizes the beautiful as the beautiful, yet this is only the ugly; the whole world recognizes the good as the good, yet this is only the bad. 5.Thus Something and Nothing produce each other; The difficult and the easy compliment each other; The long and the short off-set each other; The high and the low incline toward each other; Note and sound harmonize with each other; Before and after follow each other. 6.Therefore the sage keeps to the deed that consists in taking no action and practices the teaching that uses no words. 7. The myrad creatures rise from it yet it claims no authority; It gives life yet claims no possesion; It benefits them yet enacts no gratitude; It accomplishes its task yet lays claim to no merit. 7a. It is because it lays claim to no merit Thus its merit never deserves it.

It seems that we have found a subject that can be agreed upon from many viewpoints !

From DC Lau's translation: Copyright 1963 1. The way that can be spoken of Is not the constant way; The name that can be named Is not the constant name. 2. The nameless was the beginning if heaven and earth; The nameless was the mother of the myriad creatures. 3. Hence always rid yourself of desiresin order to observe its* secrets; But always allow yourself to have desires in order to observe its manifestations. 3a. These two are the same But diverge in name as they issue forth, Being the same they are called mysteries, Mystery upon mystery - The gateway of the manifold secrets. 4 The whole world recognizes the beautiful as the beautiful, yet this is only the ugly; the whole world recognizes the good as the good, yet this is only the bad. 5.Thus Something and Nothing produce each other; The difficult and the easy compliment each other; The long and the short off-set each other; The high and the low incline toward each other; Note and sound harmonize with each other; Before and after follow each other. 6.Therefore the sage keeps to the deed that consists in taking no action and practices the teaching that uses no words. 7. The myrad creatures rise from it yet it claims no authority; It gives life yet claims no possesion; It benefits them yet enacts no gratitude; It accomplishes its task yet lays claim to no merit. 7a. It is because it lays claim to no merit Thus its merit never deserves it. 8. Not to honor men of words will keep the people from contention; not to value goods which are hard to come by will keep them from theft; not to display what is desirable will keep them from being userled of mind. 9. Therefore in governing the people, the sage empties their minds but fills their bellies, weakens their wiils but strengthens their bones. He always keeps them innocent of knowledge and free from desire, and ensures that the clever never dare to act. 10. Do that which consists in taking no action and order will prevail.

Patience is best when cultivated.

Yin Nature is true power, Tao is Nature through Yin, Gravity is a natural law of the Universe. Gravity is Yin, it needs do nothing to do work. The Earth needs only to do nothing to be warmed by the Trillions of Trillions of nuclear explosions which make up the Sun. The Earth is not destroyed by the Yin Power of Distance. This is the TAO.

Hi Samuel, I'm a Scottish American living in China. As all misplaced Scots tend to do I've gone through a time when I studied our ancestors, the Picts, where I've found a few simularities in culture as well as stone carvings, that were no where as developed as those coming from China -I am convinced that, if the Christianity thing hadn't come, a more Taoist oriented culture could have developed in Scotland and perhaps Wales. Anyoldhow - back to the subject - If you are searching for a more accurate understanding of the TTC (Tao Te Ching, try this method that has seemed to work with me; Go to page one of this thread to see where some of us have posted Links to the works of well over a hundred different translators (All are in English) and read them with an effort to compare them side by side. When they all seem to be saying the same thing, was when I considered myself as having the beginnings of an understanding of the TTC. By the way - I've seen in the past few days where the Swine flu problem was happening again on your side of the Island. For Swine Flu Information in England Click Here - I've experimented with some forms of natural food/Chinese medicine and found one that has kept me well during the previous Viral outbreaks in Hong Kong. Click Here for an article on it The original Researcher: Click here for Article One more article Essentialy the medicine is found in bean sprouts (Mung Bean Sprouts are what I have used to keep well, in Hong Kong for 10 years) If any questions send me either an E-mail or a PM. (The PM thing is in your profile - just click on your picture to go to it.)

I agree and apologise if any offence. - Just experimenting a tad to see if we really do have freedom. Also - You've just given one my favorite definitions for meditation: "a mirror reflecting all without distortion."

WoW ! I shouldn't touch that one with a 10 foot pole !

Welcome Friend. I'm planning on reading as many of the English translations as I have time for -Untill they all say the same thing to me...

My link Sages seek first to learn. The key you are searching for may be in another book. Here is the connection -albeit in alchemical terms- that I will try to explain at the end: Jade Emperor's Mind Seal Classic -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. The Supreme Medicine has three distinctions: Ching (essence), Qi (vitality) and Shen (spirit), which are elusive and obscure. 2. Keep to nonbeing, yet hold on to being and perfection is yours in an instant. 3. When distant winds blend together, in one hundred days of spiritual work And morning recitation to the Shang Ti, Then in one year you will soar as an immortal. 4. The sages awaken through self-cultivation; Deep, profound, their practices require great effort. 5. Fulfilling vows illumines the Heavens. 6. Breathing nourishes youthfulness. 7. Departing from the Mysterious, entering the female. It appears to have perished, yet appears to exist. Unmoveable, it's orgin is mysterious. 8. Each person has Ching. The Shen unites with the Ching, The Shen unites with the Qi, The breath then unites with the true nature, These terms appear to be fanciful exaggerations. 9. The Shen is capable of entering stone; The Shen is capable of physical flight. Entering water it is not drowned; Entering fire it is not burned. 10. The Shen depends on life form; The Ching depends on sufficient Qi. If these are neither depleted nor injured the result will be youthfulness and longevity. 11. These three distinctions have one principle, Yet so subtle it cannot be heard. 12. Their meeting results in existence, their parting results in nonexistence. 13. The seven apertures interpenetrate and each emits wisdom light. 14. The sacred sun and sacred moon Illumuniate the Golden Court. One attainment is eternal attainment. 15. The body will naturally become weightless. When the supreme harmony is replete, the bone fragments become like winter jade. 16. Acquiring the Elixir results in immortality, not acquiring it results in extinction. 17. The Elixir is within yourself, It is not white and not green. 18. Recite and hold ten thousand times. These are the subtle principles of self-illumination. (Lu Szu-hsing's appended verses) 19. The two images of the dragon and tiger are unified through Qi; Chaos blending as One. 20. It is not possible to attain the eternal just through invocations. 21. The Elixir is called Green Dragon and White Tiger; The Elixir is in the nature of no-nature, Emptiness of nonemptiness. 22. Even if you are unable to make use of the substance, You can certainly make use of the function. 23. Frequently both the substance and conditions for the substance appear together, although these are not always percieved as identical. 24. The ancients said, "the term *emptiness* embraces the entire teaching." * Transliterated by Stuart Olson Numbers i through 18 give the amount of time you will need to spend on the study and the method (In alchemical terms) The key is in dragon and tiger of Lu Szu-hsing's appended verses #'s19 through 24. There are actually 2 dragons which are body and breath with the tiger being the mind/meditation. Some years ago I discovered a white, carved, flat river rock, in China, that had 2 water dragons (dragons with a fish tail) on right and left sides, tiger on top with all three holding on to the Yin/Yang symbol in the center. The stone was milky white quartz crystal. A few years later, I found the book titled: 'Jade Emperor's Mind Seal Classic - It is still available in USA. Click here for the book. ' (In China, books in English are more rare than those written in Chinese) The connection to the martial arts is that the body must experience aerobic exercise untill some tired and then rest while focusing on calming the breath and meditate. Tiger is mind, dragons are body and breath. The Tao is the method. The final key is pointing to #24: "The ancients said, "the term *emptiness* embraces the entire teaching." In other words you must study Empty mind meditation. To begin with your study I suggest you find the book "The Five Tibetans" by Christopher Kilham For the Book, Click here As you progress through the Kundalini exercises, I suggest you find a Yoga teacher to pass on the information about the Savasana exercise to be focused on the Empty Mind meditation techniques. For an introductory Webpage on the Savasana click here

The last movement must be to rest and focus on the breath as you meditate.Become aware of the risings of energy/anger and dilute them with breath/meditation. Actually - you may be only a part way through the form with your controlled breathing/meditation being your balanced point. If I am correct be ready for whatever may come, if it does come, don't be afraid take it - hold on to it for as long as possible while relaxing. Watch your diet - no vinegar, hot foods, in particular no foods with MSG (Many noodles and Chinese foods use Fake MSG which is an extremely strong psycho-active substance to about 20% of the population that causes the symptoms you are describing)

Hi, I've been studying the Tao for awhile and think I have an understanding but I learned a long time ago that 2 heads are better than one. Could 3 heads make the topic a genius ? The books that I've almost memorized are of course the classics from China: 'The Secret of the Golden Flower' My link , 'The Jade Emperor's Mind Seal Classic', My link Tao Te Ching, My link The Pocket I Ching, http://www.librarything.com/work/4572852 and not from China but written by a Chinese -still living - 'Cultivating Stillness' by Eva Wong My link I's an open topic so feel free to feel free ! It is about understanding and doing - essentialy Learning.

You should come to China - the Tao is everywhere. It is in the government, the science, the families, the street, the culture..... The natural Law of Yin rises through the action of no action - Yang is strong but looses energy through continius effort. It is like Wei Wu Wei wrote: "Are we not like wasps blocked from freedom with the closed window while the other half of the window is wide open? "