Immortal4life

I am not twisting anything. I have not used any devious means to twist these poor scientists words. lol. I cited the actual study, and I also provided several professional mainstream news articles, which do a good job of putting these findings in laymen's terms and explaining the important points to people.

Of course it is ruled out. It's like this. Evolution theory says that Humans are more similar to Chimpanzees than they are to Gorillas. If Lucy has characterics that are similar to characteristics that are unique to Gorillas, not found in either Chimpanzees or Human Beings, it can not be an ancestor of humans since humans are thought to have branched off from the Apes long after Gorillas are thought to have branched off from other apes. Evolution theory has invented a clear progression and timeline for when various species allegedly "split" from one another. The theory claims Humans are more closely shaped like Chimpanzees than like Gorillas. So the ancestor that both humans and chimps supposedly split from, can not have been older than the ancestor that they claim gorillas split from. Evolutionists alleged lineage So, the only way they can claim Lucy is an ancestor of humans, is if they re-work their alleged lineage chats

Yes, that was the exact word used in the article. Doubt. They try not to make absolute statements I suppose, and that is fine. But come on, Austalapithicus is indeed ruled out as an ancestor of humans, or a link between humans and apes. In fact Lucy is not any human's great, great, great, great x 10000000 Mamma That is an excellent idea.

Yes. It can get detailed, but for simplicity sake I think that mind and matter are very closely related. In a sense, and to an extant, a being's level of consciousness and the formation of it's physical body are closely related.

I am not a creationist. I look at research from a spiritual perspective, not a creationist perspective. This is peer reviewed research, showing that scientists who believed Lucy was an ancestor to humans, were incorrect.

It should be clear that Australopithecus, Homo Erectus, Neanderthals, and Cro Magnons were apes, and animals. Not ancestors of humans. They're animals not people- Perfeclty rounded vs. warped and roughly oval- Third Eye Human Man is something different than the animals and apes, a perfectly proportioned 5 pointed star Our True Bodies- Oh, and evolutionists think cromagnon ape-men created this Clearwisdom.net - Selected Photos: Scientific Universe : Life Sciences Clearwisdom.net - Selected Photos: Scientific Universe : Life Sciences More about why man made finds place humans here even before the apes, or at least co-existing side by side (translated) Strange Relics from the Depths of the Earth (1):Introduction | Pureinsight Removing the Veil from Prehistoric Civilizations</i>, (Part 1) PrefaceAges You Never Knew http://www.pureinsight.org/node/1324 Evolution possible? Sure, if you mean as in the word "Change" over many years. If you mean Darwinism then, no I don't really think so.

The problem with your statement is that scientists already view data through their own beliefs, preconceptions, prejudices, biases, and opinions. What some people consider Mythology also, can in fact sometimes be validated through science. In that case, Mythology ends up not being so mythological after all.

Church of Progress ideology is ultimately one of the major reasons that Anthropologists and Archaeologists attribute superstitious meanings to the ancient artifacts that they discover. I don't see how you possibly could come to that conclusion. Unattributed? I posted a video with John Anthony West letting him speak in his own words. How do you possibly interpret my words as saying the Church of Progress is a good thing? I have clearly stated it is at the root of many problems in many scientific fields. You may be apparently confused, but I don't see how my words are not clear and simple.

We will see. I think we can discuss specific archaeological artifacts at a later date. But what all forms of science ultimately become, are branches of a specific ideology. The Church of Progress ideology. The credo of the Church of Progress goes... the People of today are the most advanced and intelligent in history, Human progress is linear starting at stupid old caveman cullminating with smart us with science. Consciousness is a spin off of matter. There is no meaning to existence. Here John Anthony West explains-

Any ancient find by any archaeologist or anthropologist that I have ever read about, heard about, or seen on tv, was given a superstitous purposes and meaning by anthropologists. There is no Anthropologist in the world who would ever consider that say, the practices of a Buddhist Monk, could grant them any real abilities. According to Anthropology it is just human supertition. No Anthropologist would ever say that a Native American Rain Dance could ever actually bring Rain. Again, human supersittion for certain. A Qigong master attemting to heal a patient? Superstitous ritual according to Anthropology. No Anthropologist today would ever accept that "Magic" of ancient cultures could be Scientific or work. The Anthropological perspective-

Concepts like that can serve as a spiritual metaphor and help'our intuitive understanding of spiritual concepts. Certainly they can be considered true at a certain level. However, the problem with this concept is that Life is not a dream, Matter and the physical plane is not exactly a dream. It is real. So many spiritual seekers and people who study religion can not resolve the seeming seperation between matter and mind. So they go to extremes, they deny reality, they deny matter, they give up everything, no desires, no thoughts, no mind even! Some give up their very Life. They think this will bring them awarenes, however in their search for enlightenemnt, it may end up actually numbing the mind.

Here is the most comprehensive description I know of, of the Nature of the Universe and God, and the relationship between the Mind and Heart- http://www.mysteriesofthemind.com/ScienceOfBeing.htm

The problem I see here is that if you are seperated from God, and are "unaware" of your connection to God as part of God, then you absolutely need a "Way" to regain that awareness, you need a path back to God. The statement that "We just need to wake up" sounds good and seems spiritual at first, but it is ultimately inadequate. I have defined the Way, it is conforming to the nature of God, and the nature of the Universe. Whatever path that one follows, and whatever specific methods one uses, the underlying requirement is that the way follows the Nature of the Universe. The best statement I have ever read about The Way, is by Jesus, To Love thy God with all thy Heart, all thy Soul, all thy Mind, and all thy Strength, and to love thy neighbor as thyself. That is the Way back to God, the Way is Love. Awareness is not the Way, it is the end result. So the problem with your understanding is that it doesn't give anyone a way to awareness. It's circular logic. It's saying "The path to Awareness is through becoming more Aware". It offers no practical method or principle to actually achieve awareness.

The problem with the theory that all the commonalities thorughout different traditions is a metaphor, is that I find it unlikely that they all are using metaphor to say the same thing. I find that unlikely, and I also find it difficult to prove. The best explanation is that flood stories around the world, are describing actual events. Some may be describing localized floods, however that doesn't explain why so many say the same things and explain similar events. It doesn't explain how they are all connected. The best theory is that Flood Myths around the world, are describing the Great Earth Changes that occurred 12,000 years ago at the end of the last Ice Age. http://www.grahamhancock.com/underworld/underworld1.php Now, that being said, you are certainly right that some traditions use symbology and metaphor, in explaining the nature of the Mind. In fact, you may not know that the original Meaning of Lucifer, or the LIghtbearer, was the Human Mind. Lucifer is Mind. From the Teachings of the Science of Being, The Dream- http://www.atlantis.to/dream.htm

Your perspective is that the Way is through Awareness, and that through awareness one can become God. My perspective is that the Way is through the Way, and that Awareness is the result of changing oneself and following that Way. A closely related issue here is the issue of Enlightenment. Many people view it as a transformational magic bullet, something that will change you. The truth is, it is the end result of changing yourself through knowing the Laws of the Universe and being in alignment with them. Spiritual enlightenment a transformational magic bullet, or a natural state? http://www.atlantis.to/spiritual-enlightenment.htm

Glad I don't live there. How much longer is it going to take for that country to just fall completely apart? Everyone knows it's going to happen, so it's sad how long it is being prolonged. Chinese culture is so rich, the people deserve a fresh start, without having to see their country fall apart and see their Capitalist Dictatorship ruin so many of their lives in the process.

Very interesting. Do you have any sources or references on that?

Cool. This is the kind of thing scientists should be studying more.

Often times when there is a disagreement between people, the cause can be traced to the fact that they see things completely differently, they interpret reality according to different paradigms. In our life times today, we have seen, and are seeing, the shift from the way of life and way of thinking of the Piscean Age, to the way of life and way of thinking of the Aquarian Age. As humanity advances, the old ways of thinking, the more materialistic ways of thinking, are falling by the wayside and becoming obsolete. As humanity advances to the future, what will be required, and what is required, in order to be successful and to thrive in the new era, is a shift from materialistic beliefs to more spiritual beliefs. Just as the last Age required a shift from Superstitious thinking to Materialistic thinking, today requires a shift from Materialistic thinking to Spiritual thinking. Here is an excellent page I found which explains 3 different paradigms for looking at and understanding Existence, Life, and the Universe. The lines are of course not absolute, and cross over can happen, but these are the best clear cut categories of Past, Present, and Future paradigms. The general point being conveyed here is very true. From the more simplistic paradigm to the more advanced Paradigm. The All is One paradigm- http://childrenofthelawofone.org/cotloo/content/allisone-paradigm

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We have much more than just awareness. We have Life, Energy, Reason, Discrimination, the ability to refine and improve our abilities, and most important of all, we have the capacity for Love and Compassion. Thought is more than just memory, conditioning, and experience. Thoughts have physical existence, thoughts are vibrations. Your statemements are denying matter. Thought is not confined to the already known. Original thoughts are created all the time. Thoughts can even overcome their own limitations. Thoughts can be derived from not only the mind, but the subconscious, and the higher aspects of one's self. You must create, you must make your thoughts real. In fact, any original creation ever created by man, was first a thought. Matter can thus, validate your thoughts. Through matter you can chisel out a thought, and make it real. Give it life, give it physical existence. An image is no idol. An image is the physical manifestation of the inherent qualities and consciousness of a being. The image is the physical projection of the soul back of the image. Great Theologians may not see the way, but there was one man who did teach the Way. That man became known to us as Jesus. How can a human approximate God? Through Life, Mind, Truth and Love, the Great Law of the universe. What did Jesus have to say about it? He said "to Love thy God, the Great Causeless First Cause, with all thy Heart, all thy Soul, all thy Mind, and all thy Strength." He knew that human beings can devleop spiritually, and can reach God, and this is the way. Is the way through awareness? No. Awareness is necessary, and expanding awareness is the result of spiritual development, but it is not the Way. In order to reach God, you have to give up your human mind. How can we go beyond Mind? Through the Love principle. This is why Jesus added, "and To love thy neighbor as thyself." Other teachers have taught compassion, like compassion for animals, plants, the earth, but jesus knew the fastest way was through love for fellow human beings. Mind must be given up, only through inspiration and love can you climb higher. God is a principle, it is very difficult for the human mind to grasp such a thing. We can only do it through being a complete being. Life, Mind, Truth, and Love is the Way. Awareness, in the context most will understand, falls under the Mind quadrent. So I say to you, awareness is not the Way. Ultimately only one thing can defeat mind, and that is the Love principle. Beyond that, great wise men in the past have approximated God, in the construct of the Tetragrammaton, the name of God, YHVH. All things in creation and nature can be explained through this construct, in a similar way that the I Ching can explain Nature and Creation.

Not very much yet. When I first came in, I posted a lot of resources and information about many different cultivation systems, but I mostly stuck to the physical and mental aspects.

I have not actually talked about how I view evolution or the history of this planet. I have only criticized certain aspects of scientific theories; I have only talked about specific aspects that I don't buy into. As time goes on a clearer picture will emerge. I am not a seminary student, I have no interest in being one, and I am not religious or christian. However, I am interested in spiritual cultivation, and IMO, in order to fully examine the issue of spirituality, the current religious establishments and popular religions need to be addressed. What I am getting at in this thread, is more about the evolution of human consciousness as a whole. Whether it is science or religion, in the future they will be viewed differently than they have been in the past. This has more to do with the evolution of human thinking than any particular institute. I will be talking about some of those 5 subjects in the future.