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Shi De Jong A very rare, but very cool style of Bagua is the Shi style of Bagua. As far as I know, this is the only style which can directly trace some aspects of the system, and some forms in the system, directly to Dong Hai Chuan. Shi Dejong lived with Dong in the later years, got a lot of skills, and this was also the time that Dong was hanging out with Yang the master of Yang style Taiji, and Guo the famous Xingyi master. Video, Shi style Cheng Ting Hua- Cheng style Bagua video Blacktaoist 8 trigrams- www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUTqhq2i_tQ More demonstrations of various bagua masters- 9 palace training to maneuver around and fight many people at once- Weapons Bagua Sabre YouTube - ????1984???? Deer horn Fighting applications Bagua fighter Blacktaoist teaching Bagua on BET's Iron Ring MMA show- BLACKTAOIST TEACHES DIPSET RECRUITS (IRON RING BET MMA REALITY SHOW) Introduction to Blacktaoists Baguazhang Rap Video- BLACKTAOIST BAGUA HSING YI RAP VIDEO Black Taoist- www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX8BKQFvp8c Blacktaoist Yin Fu style Baguazhang peircing palm- YIN STYLE BAGUAZHANG 2 PIERCES ATTACK Novell Bell shows kicking methods of his branch of Yin style- www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-iCxVE1bDk Blacktaoists Yin Fu style Baguazhang Urban Dragons Premiere: BT on the Big Screen Xu Shi Xi doing Yin style fighting applications- YouTube - Master Xu Shi Xi global lecture tour ??????????????? - ?? - ???? - ???? - ?? ?? ?? ?? ????????????????? - ?? - ???? - ???? - ?? ?? ?? ??????????????? - ?? - ???? - ???? - ?? ?? More Bagua fighting applications- yin bagua snake qinna strikes | Kung Fu | Veoh More Novell Bell- www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_Q_xO55fP8 Video demonstrating internal power, claiming to be of the Ma Weiqi line of Bagua- www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkRv9_bLRG www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nktzYeyG6M www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPc5UEgFBIo Sweeping application YouTube - tai chi applications 6 Applications Franztis doing bagua Ba Gua Combat Applications-Ko and Stepping (Part 1) Ba Gua Fundamentals-Changing Angles for Combat in Ba Gua 94 years old more fighting applications demonstrated here- Baguazhang applications.html

Another way practices can be divided, is within a system. One set of exercises could be to improve health and functioning, stimulate qi, acupoints, stretch and make the joints supple etc. And a second set of exercises could be more martial oriented, developing the strength of the dantien, internal power, strengthening the body, breathing, etc. You could then theoretically divide the 2 sets into categories of Qi Gong, and Nei Gong, but in the end, its just terms.

They are just esoteric terms. I dont think many systems can be strictly defined as one or the other. If you had to put a label on the difference, or give a short answer.....perhaps Dao Yin could be viewed as movements which naturally guide energy, that lead the Qi. Movements which guide qi along a meridian. Nei gong might be more dealing specifically with the internal things like the dantien and meridians directly, and mind and intent. Agree? disagree?

I dont know if there is a "Chen" body type. Im not sure all the masters in the past were tall. I think someone shorter could still gain a lot of skills in Chen style. It is such a diverse and comprehensive martial system, I think there are going to be many things people of all types will like and find to be to their advantage. No one is going to be the best at everything in the system based on their body type, but perhaps they will be better at some aspects of it, worse at others.

As for female practitoners of Tai Chi, here is one for you!

Maybe I will look her up sometime

I found rare video footage of Chen Zhao Kui, the son of Chen Fa Ke. Chen Zhao Kui (1928-1981) inherited the inner family lineage of the Chen family Tai Chi from his father Chen Fa Ke. This is the direct lineage of the greatest practitioners in the history of the art, and the history of the Chen family. This must be considered one of the greatest and most high level lines in the history of martial arts. Chen Fa Ke inheritied the system from his father Chen Yan Xi, inheritied from his father Chen Kung Yuen, and inherited from his father Chen Chang Xin(1771-1853). Chen Chang Xin is the creator of the Chen Tai Chi sets and the art of Tai Chi as we know it, and was the great grandfather of Chen Fa Ke(1887-1957). Chen Chang Xin was known as "Mr. Ancestral Tablet" for his upright posture, and he was also the instructor of Yang Lu Chan, the founder of the Yang school of Taijiquan. He is credited with synthesizing the great and broad martial fighting skill and knowledge of the Chen family and his ancestors into two forms: Yi Lu and Er Lu (Pao Chui, or Cannon Fist). No matter what anyone tells you, Chen Fa Ke was the only direct inheritor of these forms. These 4.... Chen Chang Xin (1771-1853), Chen Kung Yuen, Chen Yan Xi, and Chen Fa Ke (1887-1957), are the highest level Tai Chi fighters in relatively recent history. No one from any other style or family of Tai chi had their level of skills, neither do the practitioners in the Chen village currently today have the level of these 4. Being the son of Chen Fa Ke, Chen Zhao Kui inherited the indoor form and entire system, as well as all applications. Chen Zhao Kui had the best form and most complete art of all of Chen Fa Kes diciples. In fighting, Chen Zhao Kuis specialty was Shuai Chiao, Wrestling, and Qinna. It is a shame there is not longer footage of his form, but here is a very cool clip I found... Chen Zhao Kui, Son of Chen Fa Ke First Set- Grand Master Ma Hong, long term indoor disciple of Chen Zhao Kui demonstrates the main Chen Style form- Grandmaster Ma Hong demonstrating New Frame 1st road routine. "The best xinjia player in the world" Here is some old footage of Tian Xuchen, one of the top disciples of Chen Fa Ke. What Tians greatest skill was, is softness and the neutralization skills, the ability to redirect and take any force applied by the opponent, anywhere on the body. If someone attempts to apply any strength on someone with this level of skill, by grabbing, grasping, pushing, pressing, or even hitting, they cannot find a place to apply it. The strength is neutralized, and the opponents strength is lost. In the opinion of some, this is the highest level, and greatest skill contained within the art of Tai Chi. Anyone who doubts the softness of the Chen Style, need look no farther than Tian Xuchen. To illustrate this skill, I would like to post an account of what happened when Chen Fa Ke, the greatest Tai Chi master of the last century, met Mr. Shen Shan one of the greatest Shuai Chiao masters of his time... Tian Xuchens Chen style Tai Chi set- Tian Xiu Zhen Cannon Fist, 2nd set Feng Zhiqiang also had extensive contact with Chen Fa Ke, 2nd routine Cannon Fist. Feng Zhiqiang was the most powerful disciple. His greatest strength is his power, strength and Fajing Lei Mu Ni demonstrates the 2nd Taijiquan routine, Cannon fist YouTube - Chen Taijiquan Er Lu (Pao Chui) - Lei Mu Ni Chen Yu is the son of Chen Zhao Kui, here he demonstrates the second Road set of Chen family Tai chi, Cannon Fist- Chen Yu demonstates a little bit of New Frame 2nd routine Cannon fists. The power hits and moves fast like a cannon, and sometimes it's really cool because it moves like a wrapped chinese fire cracker-- Chen Xiaowang demonstares Old Frame 2nd road routine, Cannon Fist. Chen Tai Chi Chuan Cannon Fist Chen Bing demonstrating cannon fists YouTube - Chen Bing Chen Xiaoxing demonstrates cannons Fa Jing set Zhu Tian Cai Fa Jing set Also included in the Chen lineage is something very cool, 2 older Chen Family sets, which pre-date the creation of the First Road set and 2nd road cannon fist set by Chen Chang Xin. These are the 24 Short Fist set, and the 108 Long Fist set- 24 Short fist 108 Long Fist Taiji Ball training Tai Chi Power training, Strength, and Fajing http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjE3NDIyNjQ=.html Weapons YouTube - Chen Tai Chi - Weapons Broad sword Double Broadswords Example of Long Pole shaking Chen Village Tai Chi Technique - Pole Shake Spear Example of Halberd Straight sword Double straight sword Chen Xiaowang practicing Weapons- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDgYL0wOOxk Taijiquan fighting application clips Feng Zhiqiang Intercepting and Push Hands- YouTube - Chen YouTube - feng zhiqiang Splitting YouTube - Chen Tai Chi Master Liu Yong - application of Lie (split) In depth detailed demonstrations of the entire first traditional Tai Chi set, and detailed fighting applications with Ma Hong- http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjE3NTQyODA=.html http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjE3NjUzMDQ=.html http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjE3ODc5OTI=.html http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjE3OTU4NDA=.html http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjIxMTQ4ODA=.html http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjIxMTg4MDg=.html http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjIxMzAxMDQ=.html http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjIxMzM1ODg=.html http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjIxMzg3Njg=.html http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjIxNDM2NjA=.html Traditional Chen Family Push Hands with Ma Hong- http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjE2ODg0NTI=.html http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjE2OTA5MDA=.html Chen Yu demonstrates Cannon fist fighting applications- Backbreaking YouTube - Taiji Chen ????? Master Chenyu (??) shows Tuishou methods 1000 ways to break you- YouTube - Chen Yu 1 YouTube - Chen Yu 2 Chen Yu YouTube - Master Chen Yu - Tui Shou Applications / ?????? ???? ?? - ?????? 1 Finger- Qinna joint locks- YouTube - Master Xu ShiXi's Tai Chi & Bagua Throwing skills Chen Xiaowang video- http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XODIyNjUzMTI=.html Chen Xiaowang basic fighting applications- more- YouTube - ????? YouTube - ?? YouTube - ?????? YouTube - ??? YouTube - ????_02 Chen Xiaowang Qinna- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbgh4W24lXo Chen Xiaowang structure- YouTube - chen xiaowang: rooting, balance Intro video to Chen Style Taiji. Shows something unique to Taiji at the 3:14 mark, the ability to not be overpowered and throw off 5 people at once- YouTube - Chen Taijiquan introduction 4 people can't lock Chen Xiaowang's arms behind his back YouTube - Chen Tai Chi Documentary (2of2) fighting technique demos-- YouTube - Chen Xiaowang Standing on one leg vs. 3 people YouTube - taijiquan (TaiChiChuan)demonstrated by Master Wu.?????--???? strikes, elbows, shoulders, etc. YouTube - Chen Xiaowang -fajin YouTube - Taijiblog.com - Continuous Fajing demo Push Hands YouTube - Chen Ziqiang Tui Shou YouTube - Chen Xiaowang & Chen Ziqiang Chen Bing applications on cage wrestlers- YouTube - Master Chen Bing's Push-Hand 1 YouTube - Master Chen Bing's Push-Hand 2 Push Hands competition from Chen village- http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzM4ODUzOTI=.html 1998 Chen village Push Hands Competition- More Tai Chi push hands, throws, and wrestling Tai Chi Tricks Tai Chi vs. Wrestling knife vs. knife and longer Documentaries- As well as-

I forgot to mention, one of the newest branch off systems, Yi Quan. What Yi Quans greatest strength is, is standing postures and structure- http://wulinmingshi.wordpress.com/category/yiquan/

That is true. There is something to be said about having the widest range of skills possible. But in the end, that would mean adding schuai chiao in additon to mma training would be the best thing to be able to do.

Awwe, thats too bad

More video with a Xinyi Grandmaster- Website with info on Xinyi- http://wushuguan.wordpress.com/about/xinyi-liuhe-quan/

Glad you like it

Good! Because Schuai Chiao itself has been incorporated into other systems of martial art

I guess Schuai Chiao did not create a lot of interest here..... Alright, I will have to discuss systems that some people might consider more "taoist" or "buddhist" in the future.....

I am impressed with Gauss. In my opinion he is able to remain compassionate and tolerant, while remaining strong and not being too weak or humble. THis is impressive when faced with some people who seem fairly mean and insist on trying to portray the system he practices in a bad light. Of course people can always improve and be even better, and it is very hard to find the right balance between strength and humbleness, but I recognize the difficulty for him when some people are not going to hear anything but what they want to hear, and will do anything they can to twist what he is saying into something negative.....

Hey sup? I'm Immortal4Life Anyways, what forum would you suggest is the best forum to discuss martial arts?