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I wanted to report an experiment I tried since I still have pain when doing the normal Kunlun posture. Sometimes I get relief with Kunlun but alas..it doesn't stay. I'm still hopeful that eventually the day will come when I don't have pain anymore doing it or afterward. Anyway I've been experimenting to find a way to practice that works for me without the pain. I have a feeling that my back and neck pain is a real inhibitor to me being able to 'just let go'. So as I said I've been experimenting to see if I can find a way to Kunlun while minimizing the pain. Today I discovered a way to do Kunlun while lying down. I bend my knees just like one does in a chair. I also elevated my heels on a stack of books so it has the same angle one gets in the sitting posture. I then place my hands as normal. Bingo. No more intense pain and I still got most of the same effects. Mouth opened on its own, heat, itchy crawly skin, tigles. The only thing lying down inhibited is the arched back and neck. However...at least with me...that's the very thing that causes the pain to be so excrutiating. Perhaps the chance to feel relief from the pain outweighed any detriment to not having the arched back and neck? As I was doing this I got a weird effect I've never noticed before. I swear I could feel my Kunlun front meridian breathing. It literally felt like it had a life of its own separate from my body, my heart beat and pulse. As my real breath shut down I felt this center line inhale/exhale start up. Not only could I feel it breathing within my body but I could feel the inhale/exhale with my hands. They were about 3 inches out from my torso. That meridian had the exact same sensation as one normally feels when you inhale deeply and gently expand the ribcage and exhale so the ribcage gently collapses. I can't use any other word to describe it except breathing. No other word fits. It did not have the sensation of a pulse or heart beat. Something in me was breathing without breath. I am so freaked out about this. Feeling something that Western Science says isn't there actually breathing...Is that weird or what? I just wonder what exactly it was that was breathing? Do any of you Taoists recognize what I'm talking about? What does Chinese Tradition have to say about the meaning of a meridian (especially the front one) breathing?

Mantra... I was wondering how you can know whether any movements of your body are Kunlun at work or rather subtle willful controlled? I ask because of something I experienced tonight during Kunlun practice. I had the odd sensation of wanting to whip my arm out and away from my body with a lightening fast snap. This was my right arm...the one I was holding at my throat. I kept resisting it because I was confused. I didn't know if this was an example of Kunlun at work or if I was forcing it. I've read that forcing movements slows down one's progress. I've never had as dramatic effects with Kunlun since my first night. I still get the arched back and neck, open mouth and heat and the itchy skin. But I don't see swirling lights as vividly and my legs no longer bounce. Am I doing something to inhibit Kunlun from working as strongly as it did that first time?

Ok...I just gotta ask. WTH is this guy talking about? Can someone tell me please?

I wonder what a Meridian breaths? Surely not air. I already have two lungs for that. And I only felt it once my real breathing stilled...yet it still breathed regularly just like it was clearly inhaling/exhaling something. I wonder what it was breathing in? Is there any Taoist Qi Gong that has an answer for that?

Thank you WYG. I can only hope this means Kunlun is trying to heal my body from being hit by a drunk driver.

YES! I recognize the flap opening and closing statement. That's the inhale/exhale I felt. Just to make it clearer. My hands did not themselves feel this breathing within their own palms. What I meant is just like if you put your hands on your ribcage and then they're pushed in/out with each deep breath. The ribcage is going to move your hands. I got that effect even though my hands were really touching nothing but air. But they had the distinct sensation of touching a breathing meridian. And of course I felt it in my body too. This Kunlun sure does do weird stuff. But I'm glad somebody recognized what I was talking about. Is 5 Point / Heart Breathing considered a beginner Qi Gong practice?

Yes. I don't think Kunlun deserves any more of a spotlight than any other Taoist tradition. I wouldn't want practitioners of other types of Taoism, Qi or Kundalini to feel marginalized at TaoBums. Also...if anyone has an idea of what it means to feel a Meridian breathing I'm dying to know.

Thank you Mantra. Thank you...but I get the impression with Kunlun it is. If Kunlun is a "Just do it" Tradition then asking questions is the wrong way to go. It seems like every other post Mantra makes ends with some version of "If you just keep practicing your questions will be answered." So yes...asking questions - no matter how well intended - is the wrong thing to do. He keeps trying to tell everyone that but gets hammered for it. I forgot it myself momentarily and posted when I see now I should just keep practicing. Now that I think about it I'm not sure why Mantra needs to be here anymore. The seeds have been planted. All that's left is for them to sprout and grow and they'll do that enough on their own.

Thanks for the replies I'm trying to do the best I can with Kunlun considering the pain involved. I won't make the mistake of asking questions anymore either. Best wishes

I'm already doing that. Although the pain has come back. But in any case I'm still trying to do Kunlun the little amount of time I can withstand the pain. I see Mantra has posted elsewhere after my post according to the board timestamps. I guess he's decided to not answer. I forget he prefers people not ask questions and just do whatever with Kunlun.

Thank you... I did post publicly in case anyone had a similar question. I'm having a hard time identifying whether something is truly, genuinely spontaneous or merely seems spontaneous but really isn't. Does Kunlun come in fits and starts? I'm not sure why the effects I've had for the last 3 sessions did not have the "Wow" factor of my first time. And I've never had the bliss experience others have had.

Is there any chance of a Kunlun DVD coming out? If so, when?

I am so excited!!! I tried the suggestions everyone gave me yesterday. I tried doing 4-5 minutes then spiral at the waist. That worked. Spiraling relieves the pain in my back. I also modified the instructions in that my chair has a back and arm rests but they presented no problems at all and it was nice resting gently on the back rest while experiencing Kunlun. And what made me even happier is that I experienced some of the signs listed in the book that Kunlun is activating. Except I didn't get the bliss feeling. Odd. I'm not sure why that didn't activate but many others did. Arched back Bouncing legs Crawling, itchy skin Heat Open mouth Swirling light with my eyes closed Tigles But most important of all...when I finally finished my back was FREE FROM THE PAIN from that awful wreck for the first time in YEARS! I am soooo excited. You have no idea how much it means to me to find something that has given me relief from this constant pain. If it continues I am hoping I can wean myself off pain medication. If I never had another benefit ever again from Kunlun that one thing alone - relief from my awful back pain makes it worth doing daily. To Mantra...please tell Max I am forever grateful to him for being willing to teach people this wonderful form of healing Tao.

Just dropping in to say hi. I'm a Qi Gong noob so I'm hoping to learn from anyone and everyone here. Cheers