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I was vegetarian for the past 6 years. During that time I felt great, worked out everyday (tai chi, yoga, kung fu), surfed, and had a very hectic work schedule. My girlfriend is a tremendous cook and we always ate a varied diet, paid attention to nutrition, didn't really eat junk food, etc. Then starting in June I started to feel fatigued more than usual. Workouts were harder to get through, and by mid-september had lost 14 pounds. At the advice of my doctor I starting eating meat, and within a couple days felt better. Put the weight back on, my skin looks better, feeling stronger, and workouts are great. I eat a lot of meat right now, and I plan on it through the New Year. I'll cut back then, and monitor how I feel. Not sure what happened, but at some point my body said enough....

They're out there: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=qigong

Actually, chicken soup has been studied: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/the-science-of-chicken-soup/ And funny enough science can't tell us why, or what ingredients make chicken soup a cold remedy, but they think it works by inhibiting the migration of neutrophils. . . . Since it can't be explained in exact terms by western science I guess should we abandon it.

I think you'll need to check the definition of Traditional Chinese Medicine for this discussion to continue. Most TCM programs in the USA and China include acupuncture, herbs, and tuina, with very little if any attention paid to qigong healing methods. I didn't read the thread that was sent to the pit, but it seems you're calling into question qigong healing, and it's proponents, not the entire field of Chinese medicine or the coalescence of practices we now call TCM.

What exactly are you looking to study??

Maybe without tai ji and a healthy lifestyle he would have died much earlier. . .

Very cool, I'm ordering a copy to see if there is any overlap in the practices taught by YB.. .

Damn, I must be going to the wrong yoga studio. . .

The best I've seen on the web are here: http://www.acumedico.com/meridians.htm I like them quite a bit, and have printed them as extra reference to my actual Chinese medicine textbooks that I use for school. . .

Uh yeah, I'm in China at least twice a year sometimes more, and my wife is Chinese. Notice I said "high end". Let's not forget that foreigners don't always get the best prices. . . . Though I've had instances where Chinese friends, and my Chinese in-laws could get us the "friend and family" price at high end Chinese hotels, but it wasn't much better than we could do on our own. As Jox said on the previous page, it would be a lot cheaper to put together your own place to stay, and deal with food on your own. But that's not the way the seminar is setup. . . In Dalian it's very easy to find 4 and 5 star hotels for well over $150 USD per night. But we don't know where everyone stays so the point is moot. That's why I gave a range of prices.

We had to read the Hua Hu Ching in one of my Daoism classes, Hua Ching Ni's translation. . . he writes that it was a later work of Lao Tzu, but my own research puts its much later than the Dao De Jing - like a couple hundred years. Some say it was written as a Daoist response to debates with the Buddhists.

To quote myself from a previous discussion about Wang Liping's fees: "It might be interesting to know how much the hotels, meals, and transportation actually cost so one would understand how much is going towards the learning experience. A VERY good Western style hotel in China typically costs about $80-150 USD per day. Factor in meals, again high end, maybe $50 per day (but that's stretching it), transportation (maybe 500RMB each way), extras - you're probably looking at $1500 - $2300 in actual cost. That only leaves about $1500 for the teachings. Still expensive, but consider that something like KAP is $500 for a two day workshop, $700 if you register the day of. Transcendental Meditation courses are $1500 per level. Ouch, it costs so much these days to find enlightenment." Also, I find it interesting that he charges his Chinese students so much less. . . I realize the cost of living and wages are much less in China, but there's a huge discrepancy between the two.

I believe he is teaching at http://www.daoisttraditions.com/ in Asheville, NC He's also still listed on the faculty of the American University of Complementary Medicine in Santa Monica, CA http://www.aucm.org/Faculty.asp I'd also like to find out what lectures you've been listening to !!!!

interesting that the 3 people listed above are surrounded by controversy I guess one would have to define "master". . . .

There are many styles of acupuncture, and within each style there are thousands of different techniques. . . would you give up on Western medicine if the first doctor you saw couldn't figure out what was wrong with you ?? Of course not. . . all doctors (Chinese medicine included) are not created equally.

Have you been to Maoshan or know anyone who has stayed there ? I went last year, and didn't get the feeling one could or would want to stay there for any extended period of time. I was there with my Chinese wife, and friends.... we met some very nice monks, spoke about Daoism, and our practices, and they spoke about rebuilding the mountain - into a tourist trap. Very disappointing after having spent a lot of time on Hua shan, and many other Daoist mountains in China. I've been on Winn's trip twice and it's a great way to see many parts of China, including some places that you wouldn't normally find on a solo trip, or certainly without some guides. Since then, I go at least twice a year on my own. . .

1)Per member "Settler": Wild Goose Healers Form 2) Per member "Ya Mu": Stillness-Movement - Hospital based healer's form within the system 3) Per member "Scotty": Kunlun Nei Gung - has some specific healing methods. 4) spring forrest qigong 5) Zhineng {also called Chilel} 6) Inner Nourishing Qigong (Nei Yang Gong): taught at Hebei Medical Qigong School and Hospital 7) Guigen Qigong 8) Liangong Shibafa 9) International Institute of Medical Qigong: Jerry Alan Johnson popularized this system in the West. It came from Henan University of TCM. 10). Per me: Infinichi (Hua Ching Ni family lineage), http://longevity-center.com/about-infinichi/

uhh, Gozer the Gozarian is from Ghost Busters isn't he ??

You really need to spend a few days on Huashan. I've been many times, and have always spent at least one night on the mountain. Doing qigong, meditating, watching the sunrise, and finding time away from the tourists over 3-4 days allows the mountain to work it's magic on you.

Every time I go to China my father-in-law and I sit and work through taoist books and scrolls, often in classical or ancient Chinese, and compare them with modern Chinese interpretations, and English translations. . . what Riyue says above is very true. It is a complex subject. Hua Ching Ni's version is a good read, but I wouldn't exactly call it accurate or an exact translation. He add's quite a bit, and elsewhere on TB's is getting flack for his altering of concepts and translations to suit the western mind.

Why does he think he needs it ? As always, before taking any herbs one should see a licensed practitioner. . .

My Chinese father-in-law has done this since his 50's, he's now 88 and in great health. He soaks ginseng and gou qi zi in red wine, and has a small glass each day.

I'm studying Chinese medicine right now in Los Angeles. My school is heavy on qigong, but the others in town are not. They do all have some cultivation requirements though. I looked into a couple schools in China, none of them had any kind of cultivation courses in their curriculum. When I asked one of the advisors about it she said that's what the park is for in the morning.

and prostate trouble. . .