HouTian

Hello All, Incase some have not read i decided to post this article recently sent to my email account.Maybe its old news for some. However im sure many have not seen & would like to. I dont make any judgement whatsoever. I will leave that to the readers. Article is as follows (From Bangkok Post) Byline: Apiradee Treerutkuarkul Police have closed a clinic providing "cure-all" Chinese traditional massage, medicine and electric acupuncture that they say could lead to death through accumulation of electricity in the body. Luo Kang Qi and his Thai wife, Suwanna, owners of Muiw Tong Chinese Massage and Qigong Acupressure, were arrested on charges of running an unlicensed clinic, performing unlicensed medical treatment and distributing illegitimate traditional drugs. They face a jail term of up to six years and a 100,000-baht fine. The clinic, run from a four-storey building in Wang Thong Lang district, was equipped with a bed, an electric chair, Chinese acupuncture and traditional massage equipment and packages of traditional medicine and steroids. Patients complained to the Public Health Ministry, which tried to close the clinic three years ago but could not find wrongdoers. "Using direct electricity to pass through the body via acupuncture needles could lead to death," said Chatree Pinyo, an official at the ministry's medical registration division. Customers came through word of mouth. They heard that the clinic could cure most ailments from simple colds to serious cancer. Patients, mostly Chinese, came from all over the city for electric acupuncture. Patients pay 700 baht for treatment and medication. Mr Luo said he had run massage and acupuncture in Bangkok for more than 10 years after taking a course on Qigong self-control for cancer prevention and treatment at the Association of China Cancer Research Foundation in Guangdong province. He claimed the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration gave him a business licence.. http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summa...86-21606865_ITM

Maybe a different Person,But seems a coincidence as both live in the same town. Information around 2 Years old. Master Wu-zen Qigong,Gongfu,Alchemy. Traditional Chinese Medical Tuina Hospital. Mudanjiang, Heilongjiang, China 157000, Tel: 0086-0453-643-2663 Regards,

Hello everybody, Sean Denty said that this is one of David Shen Verdesi's Masters . Interested parties can contact...... Shrfu (mr) Qiu Fuyi Telephone number.....86 - 27-621-66-854 The training is a breathing/meditation art to develop the power. So Mr Qiu claims. If you would like to locate more of davids teachers or any other high level masters, please send a pm.

Greeting To All, Great Shifu Wang Li Ping will be holding a free public seminar From march 15-18th in China. Shifu Wang is acknowledged as one of the most Powerful Qi-Gong Masters Today & been written about extensivly by various pubilications both Here & Abroad. http://www.amazon.com/Opening-Dragon-Gate-...n/dp/0804831858 Some of the topics covered will be, Basic Incantation Practice, Qi-Gong & Development of Latent Extraordinary Functions. This is a Treasure & Rare opportunity to meet with a Genuine Qi-Gong Master & many of the Magical students associated with Him. Contact Fee $2800 USD 1st March. Students will will be directed to beijing to visit with with Master Zhou Tian (A current Disciple Of Wang Li-Ping) willing to guide & translate any questions for hopeful prospects. No Dabblers Please............ Sincerly, Hou-Tian

LEAKED VIDEOS Thread Started on Sept 14, 2007 Sean D. Staff Hi Guys, Option one: hire a hacker to go into Therion's account and get his personal info so we can kill him. Just kidding; but we could hack in and get his personal info and shut him down or try to some how? Actually the more I think about it, the more it sounds stupid. But, if one of you guys think you or someone you know could get into his computer and implant a virus and blow his computer to shit, we will pay you. David is open to this... I think. Really, he said we could try it. Option two: David's suggestions to me. "I would suggest to take the following actions: 1-To post the letters i wrote on the topic or at least relevant lines, especially the simple reflections i recently wrote to avoid the superficial skeptical eye observations, am fully aware we will not be able to avoid them, but we at least act in the correct way, then is up to them what to believe as usual. 2-i must ask all the participant that were present at the demos and videos to post the reality of their experience, and of course you and the Yin Yang Dong crew are most welcome to do the same, i will ask other friends as well. 3-it is important to put a link to the forum inviting people to be educated before expressing extreme unskillfull views 4- extremely important also to link the video with already seen videos of the Magus to show a thread of continuity in my work with these masters this could be done by simply reminding the existence of other masters i worked with and experiments done All of these 4 actions will need to be done again and againb correcting angles and improving communication of what it is we are doing, probably for a long time depending on how hot the topic becomes, tell the guys am very sorry but You tube should be their new home for a while they are all co-causing forces in this event, and i know it truly could be turn from poison to elixir but need now some hard team work and patience for the time being these seem the most important steps to be taken sincerely David" -------------------------- Re: LEAKED VIDEOS rfunaki Foundation Student Sean D. wrote: "Option one: hire a hacker to go into Therion's account and get his personal info so we can kill him. Just kidding; but we could hack in and get his personal info and shut him down or try to some how? Actually the more I think about it, the more it sounds stupid. But, if one of you guys think you or someone you know could get into his computer and implant a virus and blow his computer to shit, we will pay you. David is open to this... I think. Really, he said we could try it." It theoritcally could be done, but then what? Someone else who no doubt has saved the video to their hard drive because of the controversy behind it, will do the same thing. And then on top of that, we have the controversy of us implanting a trojan on their computer on top of everything else. To Chris: Hacking is difficult - but a user inviting a virus to themselves happens so often it's ridiculous. I have fixed to many people's PCs with this problem, it's crazy how quickly people compromise the information on and security of their computer. I am by no means a hacker, I only know these things from, ironically, fixing them. - Rick F. --------------------------------------- Re: LEAKED VIDEOS Sean D. Staff If it is Therion from the Taobums, he is probably getting back at me for something I said that he didn't like. If I remember correctly, he was not a fan of me or what I had to say. That's the problem with these forums; half the people are 20 something college kids who have no clue and are just there to cause problems. All the more reason not to insult the poor guy and cause him to go off on a hate trip. The world doesn't need any more Michael Winn's running around spewing hate in all directions. If you guys comment on his You Tube page, just stick to the facts and don't make it personal. Sweat talk him into seeing our point of view; he's weak and hurt because of some insecurity. If we stroke his ego, saying that we admire his courage and want to invite him to a seminar and, 'just be friends.' Actually I really like that. We could invite him when Jette comes and just win him over to our circle. He would be learning the form and nothing else, so we wouldn't have to worry about him giving anything really damaging out to the public and... then again maybe not. This whole thing just sucks. S ----------------------------------------- Re: LEAKED VIDEOS Sean D. Staff rfunaki wrote: "It theoritcally could be done, but then what? Someone else who no doubt has saved the video to their hard drive because of the controversy behind it, will do the same thing. And then on top of that, we have the controversy of us implanting a trojan on their computer on top of everything else." Could we just hack his You Tube account and delete video and change his password so he can't log back in? I guess he could just do it again, but it might be enough to stop him. Do you guys know any hackers? What would be nice is if we could find out his identity. Now, that would give us some leverage. Anyway to do that? Anything you guys come up with is welcome. ----------------------------------------- Re: LEAKED VIDEOS david Staff hello guys I think no extreme action should be taken to harm anyone, the purpose of who posted the videos is not to harm. The idea of an hacker would simply be to satisfy the curiosity of finding out the identity of the person, but it might well be that Therion, whom by the way is a member here and posted a number or Magus related posts and even pictures(suggesting he was somehow connect with Mo Pai and Kostas or Andreas otherwise there is no way he could have these pics) is not the person we look for, in fact it might be that like Liuba he just found the video somewhere else. There is of course the chance he is our man and is now here with us, and in that case, is hard to know who he is. His name here as Therion, greek word for " the beast" and his email: Typhonian@... take name from the goddes Typhos/n (Typhoid fever take the name from the goddess) indicate someone with culture, so if you are reading this, congratulation. Typhonians or to be Typhonic is an appellation often but not only meant for people with non mainstream political, social and mostly religious idea. The Mytology of the Goddess and the name implies a condition in antropology defined as prepatriarchal when the Mother-feminine was considered the God-Head. In Egypt Typhos is mother to Seth and often identified with Seth himself, the antagonist of Horus. The subtle intelligence of our friend amuses the anthropologist in me, for in fact Therion-the beast- is another name of Satan, one of the etimology of which goes back to Seth-An, the union of Seth son of Typhon the Anti God (or in gnosticism true God or true path to reveal God) and An, Goddes of the Moon, opposed to Horus God of the Sun. He show us to be a fine man, intellectual fauthor of the feminine, definetly a rebel but for a good cause even if cloacked or easily misinterpreted. So assuming Therion is the mysterious antihero/true hero, let us play along and hope that his decision truly was for the best, if its a just a case of chance and Therion has in fact nothing to do with it, anyway let us play along using the power of correct thought, speech and action to lead many that will watch these videos toward something real and good if they will ask for it. best of luck to all

Is this the same person http://www.yellowmountaincenter.com/video.html They look similar ? ? ?

Its only these inexperienced youngsters who follow David. Maybe they are missing something in there life im not sure. They will never become the Superman like they imagine. And unfortunatly its The only thing that attracted these poor people to Jiang in the 1st place If i had a dollar for every master that could externalize chi i would be a millionaire. If you want to be strong go join a boxing gym & lift weights. Clearly you dont have the mental willpower & strength to endure an Authentic Taoist Training Regime. I think many of Davids fairy like students would be better suited to Something like reiki or a weekend taichi course. Please guys, just forget about attaining any powers from david its just a waste of money. Anyway im off to fiji for 3 weeks holiday, Peace. Ha Ha Ha Ken

Well i have heard several of Davids Followers are very fanatical. Many ex Students who seen the light & left are now living in Fear,Had their computers hacked. This was even discussed by sean denty on davids forum not so long ago. What they seem to forget is that their personal information can be gotten just as easily.

What Do people think they will learn ? Considering David had to pay in excess of 100 Thousand dollars for his Bull Energy Transfer (and still has no power lol). Then he was selling Invitations to meet His master Zhai (jiang) & Wang Liping,and also did the same with John Chang in Indonesia. When david was tested in indonesia sifu almost laughed. For a man with so many credentials and taoist masters he had an empty & an almost undeveloped dantian. There are no spirits or anything hanging around this guy,Everything is a sham. To call this guy an Immortal would be an embarrasment to Taoism & Inner power Practitioners the world over.

Im amazed how Sean Denty & David Verdesi can still show their faces around here. Unbelievable

Kens on fire today ha ha ha Great to see These minor Disagreements tend to get sorted Quickly. No matter what your cultivation level, Human Emotion is a part of everday life,Nobody is perfect,even taoist masters.

Theres an old saying, The Master Is Reflected In The Students.

Depends if your the Giver or Reciever ha ha ha

Hi Pal, How nice of you to upload a video of Yourself. Its great to see the face a Reg here, You should be applauded for your courage in my Opinion. Keep up the good work exposing the fakers

What exactly do you mean by stillness ? This Stillness You speak of is only rudimentary requirement for basic meditation, Kindergarten level ! Can you possibly give a cleaner example of "Stillness Cultivation" please ? This seems to be a very broad term spoken by many & understood by few. Most of The Books available in English Lagnuage talk alot about Nothing, Anything of any value is carefully Sorted then sifted out by the Translators & Authors. If You dont have a Teacher who can Read between the Lines and decrypt the Hidden meanings of these Books......Then Your better off burning them. They are nothing but a waste of Time & Have lead people down the wrong path for Decades,Many times ending in sheer Humiliation and Shock. If you cannot do something correctly, then its better not to begin in the first place. Houtian.

Exactly. I too would like to add that the spring forrest qigong & lmp are nothing like mopai. Maybe what they practice behind closed doors is different i cannot say. But the basic,soft ,techniques being taught today will only bring mild health & spiritual gain,regardless how much one trains. Holding the breath is not really dangerous,But knowing your own limits is what counts. When you reach a certain point you cannot even punish your own children,pets for fear of killing them. If an angry lady bumps into you accidently,then its curtains for them. And most Importantly, knowing technique level,1,2,3 means nothing. You must have the blessing from sifu & the ancestors to go anywhere. Not to mention the attunement on the table, which most people dismiss as sifu healing them. Without the attunement & blessing,your wasting your time to even begin. Good Luck,

Hi Matt,Do you still study with master tao from http://www.daoyintherapy.com.au/ ( (i read one of your posts a few years back) Any comment on this teacher & his claims of being the current lineage holder of dragongate sect ?

LOL@Amityville. I was told there are some really haunted houses in America,Is this True ? Over here there are plenty of People advertise to remove Ghosts. Im not sure of Maktinsi's school maybe its Different. But usually the first thing to do is cover yourself completly,before playing with any kinds of magic or removing ghosts. Each Clan or Sect have their own way of protection which is again usually a mantra or magical pattern. Regards,

Ya-Mu, I really don't think its a "How To" Thread, Simply because nobody wants to share anything

What Maktinsi's really saying is......... If you pay all your money & the Fu still doesnt work............ Then it must be YOU ! YOU have done something wrong Somewhere for it not to Work. These types of Excuses are to be viewed with suspicion in My opinion. What about all those criminal who have special kinds of talisman, Yet they are all made from Buddhist and Taoist holy Monk(not black magic) and they still work. If the magic is strong,Then it works regardless of ones Intentions. Its The Individual's responsibility Re-pay at a Later Date. Regards,

Maktinsi,Of course your Taoism can Backfire. Nothing in this world is fool proof. To say that one can never go wrong is one of the most Ignorant things a Man can say. Maybe in your world you reign supreme & are the master among your novice students. But in this big wide world we are merely drops in the bucket. There are systems out there that would bring your form of taoism to its knees without much trouble at all. Regards

Thats great White Rabbit. Amulets/Talismans are very real & powerful. And Guess what...........99% of them are all Empowered by Mantras. Some however are natural objects like sacred stones,shells,iron,wood,bones, Saidto be infused with Mystical Power. This question to maktinsi.........do you use mantra and magical patterns to empower your fu ? answer yes Thats why people do not like to & will not share Mantra. If it didnt work for us & we had to be intitiated,they would hand them out freely. But they know if a person recites them with full faith everday He will Attain results. Mantras have always been higly guarded & passed down secretly,as they are regarded of as the Keys to any magical system. Regards,

Well this is not strictly about Taoism. The guy simply asked how to remove a Ghost. There are as many ways as there are a grain of sand. Hindu,Taoist,Buddhist,Islam......All have very different methods and theories. But the Common ingredient that binds them all is MANTRA. Just because something is different to your way, does not mean its wrong. Lets not forget that sometimes Taoist Fu can also go wrong & backfire just like any other magic. Regards,

Mak Tin Si, I tend to disagree with your ISP Analogy. Yes many schools use initiation. But this is not to say that one cannot still benefit by their daily Recitation. This has been proven time & time again and needs no further mention. Now.....Of course A beginner just starting to use Mantra will not have much power at all.(did you gain all your powers at once ? ) But constant daily repitition will start to cause vibrations & eventually will attune the student to the Mantras energy. That in some ways is all that these "So Called" initiation are.........They simply help to attune the student without all the hard work. Regards,