HouTian

My 2 Cents worth....... Theres nothing wrong with paying for Powers,thats fine just so long as you obtain something. But What can any of Dr verdesi's students do ? Nothing is the answer,not 1 single thing. One student in particular is a Classic Example. He has trained with everybody from Kosta Danaos,Mantak Chia,Wang liping ,even tried scientology at one stage so im told. Still, this individual is incapable of producing any tangible form of energy or otherwise. This guy should be able to fly & walk on water by now in my opinion. Can any students produce electical currents ? Externalize Chi ? Basic Ironshirt skills even at minimum ? Nope. So whats the 8 Grand for then ? If David Shen had to pay Shifu Jiang over 100 Thousand Dollars then why would anyone else even consider studying His system. It becomes quiete obvious that david is incapable of producing-cultivating the power Himself thru his own methods and thats why he was forced to pay for a transfer....Duh ! Number 2 : Why did David not pay Wang Liping for an energy transfer ? Could it be that master Wang is a pure traditionalist & scoffs at this idea like the rest ? I was told According to Indonesian Students of a well known teacher that it is spiritually illegal to charge for the real thing. The real thing cannot be bought. Heaven does not have an Entry Fee. Regards, Goenarso.

Young man it will do you some good to stop speaking of things you know nothing about.

Greetings, The Teacher performing the "So Called" Telekinesis is another Fraud Teacher of David Verdesi ? Is this eally Davids Master Sean as You have claimed so many times ? Why on earth would a Real Immortal or Teacher resort to such cheap Parlour Tricks & Hidden Equipment. Just recently I read on this forum About Davids other teacher Jiang being caught out using Electrical & Mechanical Devices in place of Real Chi.

Jiang must be a true master.Who else could extract so much money from David Verdesi' looool

Sifu John & Other Long Lasting Members of the Mo-Pai are upset with David.Somehow the Story reach back to John Chang that David took people their for Money like a Tour Guide. This is why the relationship is not existing anymore & very strained. Mopai teachings are closed 100% and alternative routes must be found. So please dont be fooled. There is no deep student relationship between Them or Blessings. Shifu is appalled at the prices david has been charging people. His Lineage is wrong to charge money & it is Illegal to pay for entry into heaven becos it wont work 1 More thing. There is an American student of Shifu who reach level 3 technically. But remember level 2b is really level 3. This was just to stop confusion among readers. There is no doubt about this mans curent level & power. Please dont dishonour Him & Shifu John by speading False stoies about his Curent Level and other cheap shot. Regards,

Greetings, I have not seen this discussion bought up on Davids Private Forum(maybe i missed it?). I wonder if any of the Foundation Training Students are aware of this Article ? Would they dont mind if i posted the Link over there . What is david verdesi saying about his Shifu Jiang being called a Fraud in the links posted by Nekung. Neikung also mentioned that Shifu Jiang was a tuina teacher at Xihai Hotel,is he still there or any of his students teaching ? http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/flyzenmaster-wi...3&next=1571 I want to keep this topic alive as to get a decent response from various members. Regards, Houtian.

Greetings Everybody, Very Interesting Article to say the Least. But still im not totally convinced This teacher is a Fraud. How does he Explode Rocks & other articles from a distance ??? No "Electric Touch" kit or anything similar can duplicate this ! What about pointing at larges masses of people & being able to replicate the same sweet nectar produced on everybodys lips at once ? Without any form of physical contact !! The draining of a beings Life Force has to be witnessed first hand. No trickery can drop an animal instantly with the wave of a hand ! I Suspect the article was published out of jealousy. Why..... simply because many westerners are now doing even what many So Called Chinese Masters cant. In fact dont be suprized if the goverment produced such a story.They have done it for years to keep out prying eyes and selfishly keep it to themselfs. Regards,

Ha Ha Ha ,Sean ) You scared of an Old man LoL

Dear Admin, Mr Qiu Fu Yi is a Doctor of Traditional Chinese Medicine & is very well known. His number is all over the internet in Chinese language, So i dont think he will mind it being posted here ! Thanks for being so thoughtful thou. Cheers

Greetings to everybody, I have located a direct student of Taoist Master Wang LiPing. His name is Shrfu Chen Kagui and he currently resides in Bejing China. Genuine Enquiries Only ! Sum $500 USD Package included Telephone Number..... Home Address........... Practice Loacations...... Qustions : 1) Will he accept you as a student? I dont Know . 2) Does he currently teach wetserners? yes. 3) How much does Training Cost? From My Understanding Training Is Given freely. Regards, Dale.