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Did you learn tummo in a 3 years retreat?

 

Do you think that tummo can work even without ngodro-ing for months before and during retreat?

I learned Tummo in quite a short time - not Ngondro before, in a 2 weeks-retreat. This probably is as well why I know (out of first hand experience) that many, many issues can come up

I needed and still need to take my rests and do some other practice more intensively. I think I need this for working in a different, not so intense way with my blockages....purifying...giving strength to myself.

So yes: Tummo can work without Ngondro. It is a very intense practice. Making purifiying practices beforehand makes it easier for yourself - Tummo is intense; and it does not ask if you are ready. It is fire, and it does what fire does: it burns, whatever is in front of it. Not thinking of the owner of the house, not accepting limits.

This, I do think, is why it is considered dangerous. And this is, why one absolutely should rely on a very good teacher with personal experience; one who will teach what you need - and not just first a, then b, then c....

Is it dangerous to proceed on your own?

 

IMHO nothing in this life is really dangerous with oneself in the drivers seat if one is sensible about things and back of, regroup and think whenever somethings isn't quite right.

 

I never had a master other than books (and I mean lots of them) in my spiritual endeavors. In other words, I would never agree with those who insist that one should have a teacher for the fully internal stuff. Don't get me wrong: a teacher is probably the best thing if one is both unsure and yet absolutely sure that one has found a teacher one can fully trust - if not however, IMHO one is better off on ones own, being able to piece ones own picture together with the pieces of the big puzzle one encounters on the way...

 

Please feel free to disagree (I know many of you will)

The practice you are talking about, is Tummo.

And well - it is a quite intense practice which really can change a lot.

And it makes - if done correctly - a lot of smoke first; which means: health stuff can/will come up, emotional issues.... And yes: all this can be dangerous. It can be very intense, it can be hard, many many stuff can and will come up. In a physical way as well as in the psyche.

Traditional Rinpoches never teach this technique to people, who did not do all the preliminary practices like prostatrions, Vajrasattva mantra etc beforehand. Because they see it as very dangerous. This is as well, why it is not so easy to find a teacher for this practice.

I think: Some things cannot be learned from a book. As well as in the book quite some details are not described. I imagine as the book was not supposed to be an open manual for this practice.

On the other hand, Glen Mullin writes in his book about the Six Yogas of Naropa (Tummo is the first one) that only who has the Karma will find information about those secret practices and - very important - understand the words.

I personally did learn Tummo from a teacher- and I would not practice it out of a book. Having found my teacher helps me so much when obstacles in the practice arrive. It helps to have somebody you can ask when it gets hard. Somebody you fully trust, somebody who knows the practice completely. It really is an intense practice which will, done properly, change so much.

I am happy to have this permission and guidance. Yes, I am absolutely convinced that the right teacher helps so much; makes everything so much easier! It is the absolutely very best thing that happened in my life: to find my teacher.

As Vajrahridaya wrote: "The teacher will appear when the crack in the karmic shell has been opened".

well where i got this idea was that there are a million different forms of taichi or qigong. and they all claim to do the same thing circulate chi. so yeah that is where i got my idea from. But apparently they ciculate different types of chi and such. so my theory must be wronbg.

Dear Mewtwo,

first of all: I do not do Qi Gong - but other stuff from within Vajrayana-Buddhism) . So I am not able to speak about Qi Gong specifics, but I do know some things about energy flows.

I have not seen your video because you cancelled it, before I was able to see it. This means I only can answer to what you transmit by your words.

You had many answers, many very clear and very good answers. But my impression is that you really just want to pick out the ones which underline your view. You want to teach, you like your forms and you want to hear that it is a great deal if you teach them. It sounds like if you basically want to receive the OK of the Tao-forum. You would like the forum to feed your ego - and are somehow disappointed as it does not fulfill your wish.

But now to your question:

Form does matter. Let me put in very very simple example: I you bend your back, you will feel a little depressed, not so secure, seeing the darker colours of life etc. If you straighten your back and open your heart-zone -immediately you will feel more opened, better, more space and light...

This is nothing special - we all do know this. But this is form. A quite gross form, but form.

If a simple change in your body posture, can change so much in your way of perceiving life - imagine what other, more subtle forms can do on this subtle level.

I - after quite some years of daily practice - discover often perceptions which are new to me. As my body opens a little more, I perceive more about what happens. And I do notice how tiny tiny, mostly not really visible changes in my form, change so much in the effect, in the way energy flows. The more I perceive, the more I understand how little I do know.

Until you do not really, very deeply know what certain tiny movements and forms do in the body-system - please do not go around changing. For yourself: Whatever you want. But please do not sell it as Qi Gong. Sell it as Mewtwo-Yoga - than at least everybody knows that in the package there is not Qi Gong movements which had been proven by many great masters; but self invented things.

In my very personal opinion right now you should not start to teach on a classical basis. It really is far too easy to damage people instead of helping them.

Maybe you can show some of your friends what you know. Because showing people, receiving questions, having to deal with all things that might arise, will help you a lot to understand, to learn, to perceive.... Teaching (even for a group of friends who do know what you know and what you do not know) helps your own practice to become better. But really: Not yet in courses for everybody.

I anyway do not believe that one can learn movements through a book or an DVD. You can get an idea. It can be helpful - but I do not think that this really works.

As in your living-place there is no teacher, maybe you can go for an intensive course (two/three weeks or so) - and there experience Qi Gong in a proper way, get your forms corrected etc etc etc

By the way: It really would be nice to read what you decided to do

There exists a documentary (surely in German language - else: I do not know) about it: Am Anfang war das Licht - www.amanfangwardaslicht.at

(In the beginning was the light)

Well,

what shall i say about me?

I practice tibetan buddhism, live in Germany - and found this forum searching for something in google. And found a topic which had nearly nothing to do with my prior search - but was so interesting that I decided to join.

And now: Here I am. Curious what I might find, learn etc etc etc

That's it. At least for the moment.

Ju