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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/muhammad/index.aspx

According to the Quran, the perfect Muslim is prophet Mohammed: it's stated several times. Muslims agree and know that this is the correct answer, but they can easily foresee where I'm leading the discussion and they prefer to keep silent.

Because you teach a method. Your method isn't Wu-Wei. To practice your method is harmful to me.

Yeah, I know... I'm still developing the first level of hatred toward the devilish Wu Liu Pai sect. But I trust heaven that one day I'll become intolerant enough to learn the true Dao that none possess except you.

I guess the "Dan" means the same as in Dan Tien and Neidan.

Were they better than Prophet Mohammed?

From a single Buddha, dozens of Buddhist sects and schools. From a single Jesus, dozens of different Christianities. History proves that it is enlightenment that leads to religions. ..

Who is the perfect Muslim? Who's the Muslim that should be taken as an example of rightful living?

How is it to be muslim technically?

Should I want that?

We don't know how many...

can't find such a thing. Can you provide a link?

I think that the most important portion of chinese buddhist scriptures belong to mahayana. Does the Pali society study mahayana texts? I knew that it's very rare to find an Indian mahayana scripture thanks to muslims. ..

No, that's your ideas based on myths and legends which make no sense. You can not take what you think to what is true on experiencial level. First attain Dao and immortality with breathing meditation, then we will talk about anapanasati in daoist terms.

Who wants to be Christian in a traditional, apostolic church? Personal Jesus is better. In personal Christianity, none really needs christ...

I don't want to promote your religion.

It's true that anapanasati sutta has been variously interpreted to produce different meditation methods, but I'm quite sure that to find a reference to MCO there would require a special stretch of the cognitive mind of the reader. Curiously, only daoist meditators and chinese buddhists sometimes claim that MCO happens by itself without the practice of guiding Qi.

I've heard that most of the buddhist scripture survives today thanks to chinese and tibetan translators because muslims destroyed all major buddhist libraries in India. Many tantras were lost and entered the realm of legends and you could hear many stories of masters who recovered previously lost texts from the dakinis. It's true that in theravada there are no references to MCO exercises, but maybe there's something in chinese buddhist scriptures...

Muslims don't have guarantees for paradise according to Islam... unless they die fighting non-muslims. So best to stay away from muslims.

Understanding that enlightenment is the end of suffering and that suffering ends when you live with extreme detachment from your experiences... ... to live in a graveyard would be a shortcut of some sort.

Why? Don't you think that the student should learn immediately how to begin? What's the use of seeing the whole process, if the teacher fails to explain how to begin? I agree. I've heard many stories of people meeting immortals that roam the wild mountains. It's hard to find them, and even if you do, it's rare that they'll teach something. Surely, you've heard of Li Ching-Yuen (李清雲). He met various masters in the mountains and he learned and transmitted many of the arts that Bo-Duan labelled as "easy to find, but hard to succeed", including the MCO. Buddha was looking for the way to end suffering. His two teachers taught him the way to enter deep trance states. When he discovered that he could apply his trained powerful mind to continuously perceive the three characteristics of impermanence, no-self and un-satisfactoriness (or emptiness in the mahayana period) in his ordinary consciousness, he developed supreme detachment and he was free from suffering.

It seems so much a naivety of the human psyche to enjoy "being called" and "predestined" to a special teaching which in turn makes the student special. Obviously, the truth is that humans are interchangeable and none is really important, nor special after all. For example, I can say -following your logic- that I feel a calling for being millionaire for no apparent reason because I understand that money and possessions don't last. Yes, I definitely have a calling... but I can't manage to become millionaire. Also, it seems that almost everybody has this same "calling". Not at all. If a teacher really wants to guide a student from beginning to end, we should assume that -at the very least- the primary steps of the process/method are perfectly clear. This is not the case: the text is cryptic and the author deliberately conceived an unintelligible poetry which is -in fact- interpreted in a variety of different ways. The fact of life is that this teacher did his best to hide his method... or simply, he didn't have a clue and he just wrote a poem which he trusted was to be naively interpreted by some scholar. As I already stated, a teacher who actually wants to guide a student cannot possibly use unintelligible terminology for -at the very least- the first stages. But even for subsequent stages, for example what the hell could it mean "...nourish it in the same way that you would cook fresh food"? How many ways are there to cook fresh food? What's the stove? If it's the navel area, why don't simply write "navel"? What is gathering? How do you gather something in your body? Is it like peeing in a glass? It's clear that this text wasn't meant to be clear. And you're right, probably we should ask someone... a real living teacher who can give clear instructions. This is quite a revolutionary tenet since I'm not aware of any scholar who says that Neidan isn't about meditation... nor I've heard of neidan practitioners who don't practice meditation. Even various practitioners who claim to practice Wu-Wei, in the end they diligently follow a method of meditation. And in fact, this looks very much as an escapade from my question. I don't blame you for that: this question is supposed to make people think about the necessity of having a real teacher to understand whatever method Zhang Bo-Duan transmitted... and even when the teaching is delivered, one shouldn't be entirely sure that he's practising the real Bo-Duan method and not something else....

Please be patient with a noob's question. How could a student today be sure that this Dao isn't just a millennial fraud? I mean... I don't find this "detailed instructions" to be clear at all: the text is abstruse. Was it that difficult to plainly write down how to proceed? Look at the modern meditation guides given for free from the various theravadin monks: they're clear, the author details his method. It's indeed possible to clearly explain how to meditate.

In europe there are quite a few martinist orders, I think it's something traditional. For what I know, it's true that they have a connection with internal alchemy and they actively follow a path of spiritual ascent: generally, they have many connections with masonries, gnostic orders and various egyptian regimes. The good ones I'm aware of, they're very skeptical about kremmerz's work, but it's an issue relatively big to be discussed by people like me. BTW, Internal alchemy in the west is apparently (I have no direct experience) all about rites: don't expect a qigong/neigong style of neidan.