SiliconValley

Welcome....but really knowledge sharing happens when one really needs it. No one is doing any one else a favor by sharing something, which they "think" might be useful to someone. There is always someone else telling people what they "think" is right at any point. Minus a little of that all-knowing attitude, you seem like a nice guy :-) Darling, wish we could hear from the likes of you and Mat Black more often... Your videos are just awesome!!!! Way to go Jane.... IbkaDubkaDooDoo (that's my tribal salute)

Jonah, Which of the two videos would you recommend for something planning to learn this form entirely from the video? Also, what is the significance of Winn's modification - was it for the better [which I am sure was his plan] or ...

Dharamshala will be awfully cold in winter and there could be landslides and stuff at times. Also, you should check if it is safe as sometimes terrorist activities render such places difficult to access. What is your chief interest in India? Yoga [Hatha, Raja, Kriya etc.], Tantra, Bhakti, Vaishnavism, Shaivism, Shakta, Advaita etc.? Based on that I may be able to suggest places.... Bangalore is my hometown by the way, though I haven't lived there for ages now ...get used to bad traffic jams brother!

Yoda, Craig and others seem to be using Orgonite for a while now... Would you still recommend buying one? Would be really helpful to know your experiences with it...I am still not sure if it is placebo or more. By the way both towerbusters and ozark are down [or gone?]...

Thank you! Both seem to be available on Amazon here and here.

Taomeow, Would you recommend some good reading material on face reading? To understand some basics really... Many thanks...

Scotty, but which of the the other systems have you practiced for a considerable period of time, sufficient to judge its merits and demerits? Who are the the masters you have trained with and what other systems have you spent dedicated time on that you can compare this practice against? A lot of those who have described their experiences with Kunlun are neither teachers nor the ones that have trained long time with masters. Most seem to be beginning to intermediate level students who are still exploring, looking for different techniques they gel with and they may find this technique very powerful. And it is quite possible that those who vouch for it now may do it less vehemently at a different point in future and we already have some such examples on this forum. Experiences and Techniques are highly transitional and anything transitional cannot be absolutely true. What is now true may not be the same later and what is true for one need not be for another, and this is the fallacy of analysis of Truth within the realms of name and space. If you ask someone what it feels like when a deity makes his/her presence felt or when Kundalini bursts through the central channel or what a powerful Shaktipat is like, they will all say that was the most powerful thing for them and will probably experience nothing with Kunlun. So the experiences or symptoms recounted here, some of which has not been very pleasant, cannot be quoted repeatedly as the proof of it being the THE path. Mantra has toned down quite a bit in this regard as well and seems much more accepting of other paths and teachers and slightly less aggressive in his promotions which is evident if you compare his older posts to some of the recent ones. Thanks to him for that. This thing of being the "root practice", "quick quick" path [the word "quickest" has been used twice, I am trying to find the exact thread, and there is no accompanying clarification that this is the quickest "of" the practices Max teaches, implying this to be universally true across systems], "most powerful" etc. are fine. But as long as one understands these are not explicitly or implicitly amounting to claims such as 'Jesus is the only way' or 'Jesus is the fastest way'! I may be wrong, but those propagating Kunlun have always used such undertones in their promotion of the art, and that quite possibly is unintentional. This is what I feel, and again, I could be wrong. Of course, any good, mature practitioner of some substance will not worry about such claims and will believe that his own practice is the best for him and devote himself to it fully. He is neither critical nor curious about the rest. For the less mature ones who squabble, clarifying helps. Also, when there is praise or criticism, is it not all due to Karma? Why do both parties involved get excited here? Reaction has replaced response and the effects are for all to see. Those criticizing Kunlun or Max repeatedly fail to understand that they are offering him greater publicity by continuously raking up controversies. And those vehemently defending him forget that truth needs no defense and universe takes care of those who are in tune with Her. By turning defensive, you are fueling further discussion and nothing seems to be coming out of these as most of these threads end with either "I wont ask any more questions as I don't wanna get banned" or "I cannot share greater secret than this one. Ask Max". Does a Bodhisatva need someone to defend him and would he appreciate someone fighting over him, especially those who claim to represent him? This cycle, which has been repeating over and over again, may have some higher purpose to serve and I hope the universe will reveal that at the right time. Our lady does nothing without a purpose, does she? The simple and oft neglected fact though is: everything is a commodity in today's world and consumerism is at its peak. When a commodity is made available to public, there most certainly is going to be acceptance or opposition. The magnitude of either is greatly influenced by the Higher Energy or the Universe. There surely is never a brand new situation or concept appearing in front of us from nowhere due to the inherent periodicity in the cosmos and looking back a little for answers is never a futile exercise. In the past, those masters who preferred no indiscreet discussion or unneeded criticism, guarded their techniques and stayed away from people, addressing a limited audience who they felt was qualified. Those who revealed them to all, took praise and criticism alike and understood the law of nature where balance of energy is accomplished in ways mysterious. This is true even in cases where every detail was revealed, understandable logic was presented to explain most of the concepts within the system in question and there was no apparent gray area; now what to speak of the other case? If Kunlun is anything as powerful as it is touted to be, then there is bound to be some reaction when something as big as that is thrown into the world of the common man. Nature always balances herself and it is really best to let her do that without interfering from either side. WYG, when you do not trust Max or Mantra, why would you want to ask them questions and waste both their time and yours? If you think Max made up stuff regarding Kunlun, why then do you discount the possibility of he doing the same with these Egyptian, Lemurian, Atlantic, Pacific, Oceanic or whatever other thing? What is the logic behind your questions? When you know you are not going to believe what they say, why do you waste time and efforts asking them questions? Assuming there is a faint chance that Max indeed is a Bodhisatva, nature is not going to be kind to you if you indulge in unnecessary name calling. And, even if we assume your interests are positive and not solely opprobrious, is gathering a lot of clutter - info on hundreds of topics in this case - of much use, especially when one is spending so much of time [of his and others] asking questions, when one already has a practice which he likes? Of what good is that information which one is not going to practically apply or use? Like someone else said, crusading takes too much energy and not everyone has that kind of energy or is required to do such work. If Karma is the guiding factor behind what one practices and who one wants to learn under, why would anyone sensible interfere with the nature's scheme of things by trying to dissuade such individuals who have reached some place because that is the right place for them to be at that time? Why not trust the Universe a little more? In the valley of Kashmir in India, described as heaven on hearth owing to not only its natural beauty but also the associated profound mysticism, 450000 Kashmiri Pandits [the torch bearers of Kashmiri philosophy and Tantra] were driven out of their homes, women raped, men and children killed and every atrocity known to mankind was inflicted upon them, for one simple reason - they did not embrace Islam. In spite of such adverse circumstances, they relied on their practice, the wisdom that arose of their practice and the compassion and the feeling of unity with ALL that was comprehended. This community, known for its intellectuals and achievers in various fields, though bearing wounds that remind them of the brutality they have faced for over a century, still retain compassion and hope for themselves, for others and most importantly for those Muslims, who, on the contrary, continue to champion the cause of terrorism in the valley. Such adherence to faith, value and undying compassion, which can arise only when the unity in totality is comprehended, speaks pages about the merit of their practice - Kashmiri Shaivism. True practice speaks for itself and seldom does the true practitioner. Eventually. the goal, the traveler and the path will be realized as being non-different and at that state, who will speak for or against what? I am tempted to say the same about the situation in Tibet, but will refrain for now Moreover, someone asked Ramana, what the use of his enlightenment was for he did not cure diseases, avert natural disasters, teach actively, write books or do anything similar [intentionally]. He pointed to a disciple who sat there with closed eyes. The lady opened her eyes and said, "The very presence of an enlightened soul is enough to bring balance all around him. All those sitting in Maharshi's presence are in a state of thoughtless bliss, free from misery, identification with body, wants and limited existence. His very presence has induced this in not just the humans around him, but animals in this region as well. The presence of an enlightened soul in itself is a great boon to the society". If we worked towards attaining our own mastery and getting enlightened [whatever that may mean], we would end up doing the highest good to the universe. Also, as enlightened beings, what we think, say or act will make much more sense...or even simply...sense. At that stage, if crusading seems right, then it is Glory to Manjughosha!

And really interesting...waiting to hear more taomeow...

Thanks Aspirin ... Vitamin L is always welcome

Well, what "feels" right is not always right! You kill someone and then send love to them? Does that work? The theory of Karma does not accept this either. Of the three kinds of Karmas: Agami, Sanchita and Prarabdha, the third, which has already begun to take effect, can never be be escaped from, through prayers, flushing love or whatever. It is always there to come and hit you back.

I didnt have any of these, my friend did and Spring Forest Qi Gong did miracles for her... Also, some herbs [like Super Adaptogen form Dragon Herbs] helped her.

Awesome "There is no sense getting all riled up when a bunch of idiots give you a hard time. In the end, the universe tends to unfold as it should"

Good for you, all the best Mike, and Bye...

I have nothing to say, but finally a new and HOT topic other than Kunlun/Max bashing and bragging! Now its time to shake and feel bliss...hopefully... carry on!!!

I thought it was the other way round that was recommended! Was it not?

You're saying there is nothing to the music [like a specific beat], or Keeney's energy flowing through it, or some kind of a transmission or some specific mudra/posture to hold? Start shaking and the magic within takes over? Did I get you right?

This is what Max said, right? So that's his version. But do we know if Sifu Wang does not teach the same or similar practice, or something that does the same as Kunlun, even if it was not called specifically as "Kunlun"? What I was trying to say is that Kunlun is a technique in Max's system. Comparison should be between two systems and not between a technique [or sub-system] and a system.

Or one way of looking at it. Mind is a great trickster. We always look at things the way we want to, to suit our beliefs, our convenience. It may not always be safe to rely on the mind and the various theories it dishes out, completely. Never mind that! - Also, are we suggesting it was "difficult" for Wang Liping or his great masters to "Let Go" and hence he had to practice whatever he did? - If both practices ultimately yield the same results, certainly the simpler one would be the preferred one, unless one is "unable" to "let go". Great masters have always tried to simplify their teachings to the world to the best possible extent. Is Sifu Wang's system meant to address only those who cannot "let go". There certainly seems to be much more to his system than that..is this comparison even fair or valid? Kunlun is a technique and even Max/Mantra do not seem to advertise this as a complete, all-in-all system. Sifu Wang's is a system and it is quite possible Kunlun [with some other name] is one of the many techniques taught therein.

Hang around Buddy... it's always fun to have someone asking questions, especially the sane ones like you do... and No, I am not being sarcastic.

Now, who ever has a transmission, has it from the source, transmitted through a lineage. I doubt anything can come "newly" from "elsewhere". Impressive list Though most teachers ask students to follow one path completely and one lineage, and move on only if that path is incapable of doing the highest good, whatever that may be...

Thanks Yoda! I started looking for that CD, its here somewhere.......

Great review Hundun, as always... I have the CD as well but didnt pursue it for more than a minute, like Yoda. But what is expected from the listener of these CDs? Listen, let go and let the shaking happen by itself or listen and consciously shake? Keeney seems to suggest both in his book at different places.

Thanks Hundun, you got me right. What I was trying to ask was if it was similar to Jeffrey Thompson's one wave per CD kind of a thing. By the way, why no Gamma? Is it because it is not safe to work with Gamma?

So Holosync is Alpha, Beta, Theta, Gamma? There are too many levels

Bum, Bindo, What is the difference between Gamma and Hyper Gamma? Is it simply Gamma is good and Hyper Gamma is better that you move after working for a while with Gamma? Are they meant for the same purpose i.e. deep meditation?