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Thank you Et for an amazing present. Yet again, this dialogue with you brings me good fruits; I do not know how the others see this thread, whether it's pleasant or unpleasant but I know it's fruitful at least for me. It is the mind at the present moment which is being cultivated, and Right things are being cultivate even more with this moment. It is one of the missing puzzles of my practice; just to see it. It is also amazing how one wrong things or how one wrong understanding in the mind will manifest itself in a karmic ways entirely on everything one did or do, all because of not-knowing. Although the true path might not be yet clear for me, I will diligently cultivate the right things so that the true path appear.

Thanks for the reply subtle... so seeing this moment is the same at seeing what's right in this moment. I assumed that seeing what's right at the moment precedes seeing the moment. now i am seeing that they are the same in this moment. You're my brick wall with a speaker playing the same song over and over as loud as you can

wish you all a nice thursday. Hello et; "Once what's wrong is gone--- we are left with what's right..." once what's right is there; what is there to be saying that's right is it not the what's wrong a moment ago? what's right at that moment, could be what's wrong in this moment. so what's right in this moment is the seeing of what's wrong in this moment. what's right at that moment? leave that to that moment, and look at this moment. like you said, there are possibilities that remins as such even forevermore. atleast that it's what i been led to understand.

double posted, sorry.

If you have chance drop by the North Eastern of Thailand part in Ubon Ratchathani; A temple with history with heritagewith the forest traditions, Venerable Sumedho should still be around. http://www.watnongpa....org/indexe.php Another I could think of is Venerable Mitsuo He is in the Kanchanaburi Province. Still there are many retreats, and teachers. They were seekers as well when they visited Thailand. Atleast you should be able to communicate with them. Good luck and may your trip be full of wisdom and good fruits. P.S. If there's anything, drop me a pm. I lived in the Surat Thani and occasionally go to Bangkok and the Chiang Mai area. Will be glad to help a fellow bums.

I think I am aware-ing. Still there's a big maybe surrounding that. Way to go Et, Mindfully pissing me off is really good way to reveal me to my nature. Not everything you said is right or wrong but they just happen uproot what's wrong with me. Once what's wrong is gone; that particular ignorance disappeared. Once ignorance disappeared, Knowledge disappeared. Therefore we can then be done with knowledge at that particular moment. Sounds simple doesn't it?

I hoped it will hit the spot more on where my defilements lies. Lol The blows are filled with compassion. Nonetheless, the motives or the music; it is a dance. it is 'infinite possibilities' when the present being seen is not 'infinite possibilities' anymore.

Hello Aaron, nice thoughts you have there. It is naturally for water to flow to the four great oceans; it is in man's tendency to think that he/she craves or creates; we managed to change cow's milk into cheese, yogurts and butter, which in reality in really just milk. Milk at the end of the day also rots, such as clean water gets dirtied to dirtied water. At the end of the day, maybe us human of the society achieved something maybe we didn't. In Daoism, there are places for great people; there are places for lesser men, places for thieves, places for sage, lords, beggars and such. It is the current nature of the world, what could one do but to nurture and cultivate one selves. In the end, maybe much is wrong with the world, maybe nothing is wrong at all. I am looking forward to your thoughts.

excuse me, turtleshell for partially hijacking your thread; I am have actually finding it very fruitful for me at the moment. et, I am actually enjoying this dialogue with you; I found it to be fruitful to myself. Although I would like it to hit 'home' more but this will do, it makes me happy. let continue our dances shall we? to cultivate, one need to choose to see. what one need is to see. what one action one do is to see. seeing the doing, the seeing liberates the doing. true, there is infinite possibilities. but the 'infinite possibilities' is the truth being present. it is 'my will' to be wronged either by itself or others. by doing so, the way is seen.

thank you for another reply; in my humble opinion, the thing that is possible to cultivate here is to see into the nature of the feeling present. then do one need to ask how?

Thank you for your thoughtful reply ET. there are causes for feelings aren't there? why do one needs to cultivate them? to accept or not accept; there is no such question. the moment one choose to accept it or not to accept it; that in itself another feeling.

nice post aaron, well written. One question; could one be done with be 'done with knowledge?

'Whose' 'will' is it to feel sick and unpleasant?

not imposing the will on yourself; it wouldn't be imposing others in any other ways.

lol... good one the Buddhists monk realizes the Buddhist monk. emptiness realizes emptiness,

Perspectives are still everchanging, the naming is still there. No such things as unchanging names. If one were to watch one's thinking attentively, watch as it arise, watch it as it sustain, watch it as it dissolve away. When it is gone, what is there? What is here? All the perspectives vanishes; when this is happening at that very moment; the present moment, the truth is unclouded.

@Stosh Well, Sorry... I am merely just suggesting this thoughts sometimes, we all forgotten that in order to learn, something have to be unlearn. and sometimes, what we have already learnt in the past is the obstacle in learning in present. Happiness to you all, XJ

@Raz, lets continue with the wordplay. who do one see when one looks at the mirror? what do one reads when one is reading words? now take away the mirror, take away the words. where does that answer gone? @Stosh If what one sees is but what one visualises, If what one reads is but what of one's own perspectives. when one can shred that those concepts, is it not breaking free?

be mindful of your mind when you used them and you will know the benefits; for example for what feelings or thoughts does "I Love You", "God", "War", "Hunger" invokes. Words have its power, man's mind is operates in such ways that we can't think without words or form. Mantras are words that have been arrange to invokes a fruitful feeling/thoughts in different cultivation practices Think of it as a sandpaper or a whetstone, In the end of the day, they works wonders when practitioners understands their real meanings when they disappears. It is also useful to roughly know the meaning of what you are using or in some case knows what effect they have on your mind/body.

when two equally reflects; knowledge is clear

what makes a man? reminds me of neitzsche

don't run away from feeling, the more you run. the more it will comes. throw all spirituality out the door for the moment all "those", "this" and "that" now come back; you can't eradicate clinging by not wanting it. It could be done only through thorough understanding. even-though you went to temples, trying to connect to other people in other activities; do you feel deep inside down that it doesn't really answer your question deep inside? for the moment come back and get back in touch with yourself. whatever feelings you may have, watch it... watch the body having this feeling watch the feeling as it is happening watch the mind witnessing this feeling now tell me, if you are watching then who is feeling the feeling? p.s. another method is the hold onto that feeling so tightly, carry it throughout your day. I am curious about how long you can hold it for. Peace, Mindfulness and Wisdom to all...

Like what Boy said; don't worry about it. And like Xabir said; Stream Enterer realizes Anatta. If the Stream Enterer thinks to oneself, "I am a stream enterer, I have attained Stream Entry". He/she can't enter the stream. The parody of it is that the 5 aggregates can enter the stream but the "me, I, self" have to be left where it is. Mindfulness and Wisdom be with all