lazy cloud

Great questions. I am also curious about this type of training.

That is my guess too.

OK, -O-, I cannot disagree with any part of your post. I respect your experience and insight. You are thinking of leaving this site ? 5ET has also suggested he may leave the sight. That is what I am trying to point out here when i said unintended consequences. IMO it would be better if everyone stayed on board and learned from experience. I have some experience and some knowledge. I am certainly no expert. I am here to share and to learn. There is a thread by Kate where it talks about how cool TTB is. I look at it as a useful resource and can see it being a positive benefit.

Can you give us an idea of how many levels are involved? If an average student were to put in 1-2 hours a day where would you expect them to be in 3 years? which level?

Sloppy Zhang , I understand. Also I do feel(imo) that you were singled out from the start of this thread. I have not been on TTB as long as most(all) that participated in this thread , so as far as past history and tendency IDK. The authoritarian attitude was also a bit of a turn off for me . I tried to look past that as 5ET did say there were problems developed from becoming friends with students. Maybe this is his way to deal with that issue? I do also feel that the generation you are in was put on the defensive from the start. It is puzzling to me. At this point I am just trying to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I am staying nuetral and just suggesting that both sides take another look at the consequences(unintended).

Hopefully alot of lessons can be taken out of this thread. It was rather painful to follow from any perspective. To 5ET and Ya Mu's credit they do provide links,books, and dvds AND they personally teach. IMO 5ET tried to use a motivational technique that just took an unintended turn. (for the worse) Such is the way of risk taking. In any teacher/student dynamic there can/will be misunderstandings. What if we frustrate the decent teachers to the point where they say "Hey I got this , why should I care if anyone else gets it or not?"

IMO the Question? Asked by Rainbow_Vein and suninmyeyes needs to be answered before you proceed further.

That is an interesting avatar. I also liked the previous one you used. Every poster here has the option/right to go back and edit their posts. I had hoped to see some comments from anyone who attended one of these recent seminars. I can also understand a variety of reasons they would choose not to do so. A public teacher should expect close scrutiny. They should not be subject to vicious attacks. IMO and it is subjective.

I have heard an old teacher say, way back in the day, "A teacher had a choice of producing good skilled students or making money teaching lesser students. It is very difficult to do both."

I just wanted to offer another lift, lufte, levitate idea http://www.youtube.com/user/NakedScientists#p/u/20/s6uiIpp8E-M http://www.youtube.com/user/NakedScientists#p/u/17/jIxqSirNCtI

Sweet.

interesting

1 or 2 minutes of taiji practice? Here is one in at just under 4 minutes. There is also Chen 19 Yang 8 style

Some horses get carrots as a reward others guiness. I spent a night at the Kentucky Horse Training Center outside of Lexington. Some of those horses know how to party I am not joking. I learned about tienchi there too.

May i ask, which Chi Gong you practiced and for how long?

In Tennessee a reward for climbing to the top of a mountain would be able to look down to the clouds. Also the spring water coming out of the mountain could be useful. There will be a few hermits already there.

Then try it. Not everyone will have the same result. Some people do not like pot

My only regrets are I can only give a plus 1 for this and I am not in a yoga class somewhere. I need a cigarette...

If the "judey chop" is weilded by someone who has 15 years of iron hand training it becomes a diferent type of thing. Someone bull rushing me with head down and neck/back exposed? Tournament and Street are 2 diferent places. Tournaments have rules. That being said on any given day .........

Easy, That is very interesting work. I look at you as a Chuck Yeager of test pilots and not on the tolerance level of the average "seeker". All the compounds in PiHKAL are not methamphetamine derivitives. Peyote was mentioned in this thread. I am in the same opinion of you in regards to Peyote or San Pedro. However I do find mescaline more interesting. It is a phenethylamine class. I am surprised Raven's Bread was not brought up in this thread. I would not group it with the other "shrooms". For me safety is a concern. That is one reason I favor mescaline. I have never heard of anyone ever dying from it. IMO the avererage "seeker" experiences a visionary state of awareness on typical "shrooms". I have never personally tried the Vine of the Soul. I am curious about it. There are other plants not mentioned here that give powerful life changing experiences. I will not bring them up either due to what I view as a safety concern. I won't knock the toad venom because I have never tried it. I am trying to stay in the plant kingdom. DMT biosynthesis is quite easy and instructions readily available. It may require a visit to the local nursery. Seems to be a consensus that this is a stepping stone tool and not a lifestyle.

Shulgin- PiHKAL

Thank goodness for the TTB I think there is even a new thread saying so. Kung Fu , Green Hornet paved the way.

Will there be a place called the Former Canada?