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I didnt learn much at school at all. I dont have a brain for such stuff. But one thing I remember was being shown sedimentary rock. All those LAYERS! I recognised it. It's me, it's you, it's the way of things.. We mind things at one layer of our being and not at another layer. The skill of being fully human not only within your soul and psyche but also in society is to know as many of your layers as possible and to be able to cycle through them as and where appropriate. I dont watch anything I dont want to live with, anything that I know cant generate positive feelings in me. At the same time I have done gruesome death meditations to inure me against attachment to my body. A horror move would be addressing a different layer of my rock, than a meditation. How would it be if I watched the horror movie in a state of meditation, as a training to my shen to resist disturbance..

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~spot on, Mokona. the smile and happy feeling coming on it's own becomes automatic.. and then our pain and buried junk surfaces... the healing sounds are perfect for this, as is 'venting' - ie identifying the organ from where the emotion is coming and breathing out the murky organ colour and breathing in a clear and vitalised organ colour. ie murky blackish green stagnant liver chi on the outbreath and sparkling emerald green for liver as you breathe in. (red/heart. deep blue/black/ kidneys. golden yellow/spleen. white/lungs.) When I have been in a big emotional detox sometimes I use a Ken Cohen technique which is super simple, of breathing out all the grey stagnant chi and breathing in sparkly fresh chi. He recommends doing this via the spine I think.. It is an all purpose technique, I found it works well with whole body breathing, and can be done whenever and wherever, like walking down the street or whatever. He uses grey as a generic all purpose colour which covers 'stale'.. It's great getting to know your organs well, figuring out what kind of relationship you have with each organ.. we get a chance to heal our relationships with our organs and to give them love.. My spleen was kind of fed up at how much attention my liver got just because my liver was so much more 'extrovert'... anyway... great question. Good luck with it , sometimes, I know, it is hard.. I have felt at times while clearing, that negative emotions were never going to stop streaming out of me,it just goes on and on and on sometimes... but eventually cleansing really shifts stuff and it's a great feeling to not carry so much stuff.. like cleaning really dirty windows. I remember doing cosmic healing with mantak chia and he had a phrase "clean, clear and bright, filled with violet light." and he'd say "sick cells please LEAVE".. whilst drawing in the violet light ( typically taoist, from the big dipper..) and make the point that the stale chi was to be recycled and move onto a new creative phase - which I find important, so that I dont wonder where all my junky chi is going to and feel like a litter bug..

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Yes, it is. It's a nice question to have looked at together, I'm glad you brought it up.

FWIW sister, I was taught by a very trad chinese master too and he said the physical contact isnt necessary between the teeth, and tension from closed jaw was counter productive.. the energy flows anyhow, it 'jumps'! Maybe it's a 'chocolate or butterscotch' type question...

Exactly right... the guru is in you!

Clearly true. And I think 'chewing the fat' about it is what could actually happen, and communication is sometimes helpful, and equally sometimes it creates illusions of knowledge where there is none..

Yes, I agree. There is no chance of feeling deep sorrowful repentance without being connected to the source. It is a great gift. Profoundly cleansing and humbling.

Thanks for replying so thoughtfully CowTao. I appreciate it. And yes, the repentance feelings are so strong and the pain sometimes so intense that I do sense that I'm offering some compassionate recognition from the heart of something wider than the little me. Thankyou for articulating that. .. .. it isnt that I find the experience alarming, I'm not scared of having deep feelings, but I'd like to know what others would call 'sorrowful repentance'.. I just googled the phrase and a lot came up, here's one thing that isnt Christian..it's from Japanese Nichiren Buddhism...but it is the same as the Christian point of view really, which is that repentance is needed to admit you to the presence of God.. So, as you say, it is not a 'bad' thing! Thanks again for the chance to go deeper into it.

hey maybe betwixter and I should note that we're just more discerning than TheSongs.... Setting up a comparison like that could drag this thread into a mire of crap, I mean a' robust debate', with people floundering about justifying their own position instead of respecting others.

way to put people down and boost your self up, dude.

Pero , you and I could just keep answering one another, for the simple pleasure of the pinging ponging of harmony, and turn this into a chat thread discussing clothing or movies or our favourite food. It could go on for years and years until one day a new member joins just to make an announcement in this thread that one of us has passed away... it will be me cos I'm older. I could get myself channeled through a receptive tao bum just to keep the flow going, and keep you informed on The After Life and try to explain in what sense it isnt very "after" after all... Just an idea, ya know. I'm full of them..

Actually I think I suggested there be 'invitation only' sections of the forum... which throws up it's own problems of people feeling excluded... tricky stuff.

I have suggested this before and I think it's really good idea.

Pero, that was the longest post I ever wrote! The 'chew bollocks' thing in brackets was an example of a false assumption- false polarity, like "verbally crass board" and if it isnt that, then surely it must be "khumbaya" board.. ( obviously an erroneous assumption, a black and white polarity, allowing for no shades of refinement..) I dont suggest Taobums be like AYP in it's uniformity but it just shows people can be interesting and agree to disagree gracefully and avoid personal comments.. anyway,.... so it goes, thanks for responding.. stuff to think about.

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Yeah! and .. yeah! Wow sifusufi, thanks so much for posting that, I never saw it before!! My chin was going too and tongue vibrating and tears, fantastic video. Great idea to copy it to iPod.

I agree Enishi. It would be great if part of the general understanding of the code of conduct here was more multi dimensional.

Hi Pero. I cant abide watching horror and violent action movies and as far as I know this is very common amongst spiritual practitioners. As Eckhart Tolle puts it, it is the pain body that enjoys watching these movies, they feed the pain body and it enjoys being in its own ambience. As I see it the more abrasive the board habitually is, the more self selecting it becomes, and the "happy to be abrasive" types will happily join here, and those that avoid that ambience and certainly wouldnt ever choose to hang out in it, just think this place is awful indeed and very dismaying. I miss very much many posters who have given up posting here because it's nature is not enjoyable due to the callous pettiness that is being elevated in this thread to the status of 'robust'. Have you ever visited the AYP board? It is very interesting, people share and discuss intelligently.. wow, it makes taobums look like a drunken brawl after a prolonged happy hour after a football match. Having said that, there are lots of great posters here who are skillful communicators and intelligent contributors, and I think the Taobums women are great. So the question, to me, is, how far down the road do we let the board go? You think cheerleader is a lame insult.. ok.. do you condone name calling and labelling as a practice on the board? I would like to see it added to the 'rules of conduct' of the board that it isnt condoned. I cant see that it is any part of constructive communication. I see however, that the ever growing 'happy to be abrasive' part of the community might think name calling is actually part of normal conversation, that seems to be what they are used to and perhaps unwilling to think about questioningly. Is it desirable to label people, even if you are 'used to it'? I fail to see in what way it can be construed as anything other then dismissive and antagonistic. It has been suggested to me that taobums has gone down the pan and is not worth bothering with. I guess this is me trying to find out if that is unavoidably the case... maybe the future of the internet is public boards which are 'robust' ( euphemistically speaking) and private ones which are more genuine and interesting, where people feel comfortable to share deep things without a heckling from people that wander in and want to mouth off. BTW Pero, this board has never been a khumbaya tepid place, I dont think that remotely reflects the nature of people who practise taoism. I think presenting a tepid polarity as a 'reason' for condoning lowering levels of communication skill doesnt stand up to scrutiny. (You dont want to chew raw calf bollocks? You a vegetarian?) Being able to voice everything, positive and less positive, is crucial, of course, otherwise communication dries up totally, it is too limited and controlled. The point isnt about being all "I'm so in control of my emotions you never catch me expressing anything vulnerable or fiery" the point is to be civil in your mode of expression. And notions of civility seem to be fading here under the weight of those that are numbed to insensitivity,and advocate that others be equally numb.