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I'm not happy with suggestions being put forward here in this thread as to who should go, and who should be the board of three. If this goes ahead I would like this to be decided discreetly and the 'votes' or 'nominations' can be dealt with off board.

Do you like to work with a DVD? Ken Cohen is excellent in every way, and he has a DVD that shows and explains some Qigong movements that are very effective and easy to do. Nice walking meditation/Qigong in there too. You couldnt make a better start than via Ken Cohen. Check him out. Good Luck.

Pietro, are you a member of the Bristish Taoist Association? They have some firm links with Daoist Monks and Temples in China. They have worked to help renovate a temple. They may be able to help.

Yes..I'm going to say "I" in this post. rather than generalise.. The sadness of the world not being perfect and me not being perfect is heart wrenching and agonising to me. One of the healings I get from meditation is seeing, feeling, experiencing, and being part of the true ultimate perfection,the unity of all and everything, despite what looks like imperfection, and seperateness, with everyday eyes. I feel the rift of seperation of me from God/the Tao as a shame and a deep pain that makes me want to rip my clothes and lie on the floor sobbing. Or hide away like an animal. I feel that this is the 'original sin' that we are born with: that we lose our sense of one - ness and grace. I feel that Enlightenment is about losing this 'sin' of seperateness and loss of sense of perfection. I feel that the women who obsess about their physical perfection or choose to strive for endless cuteness, for example, are like dogs licking windows. They are going to the wrong source for refreshment. These women want to find a sense of perfection and embody it. And are endlessly hungry to embody goddess qualities, without knowing what they might be. It is all so sad, yet endlessly beautiful. Once you get beyond the ugliness.

I am very enamoured of the name of the book club(s) as suggested by Pietro. I will be quite disapointed if it is just called "book club", now. Please can we use the beautiful names.

Hello Harry. Good question. It would be great if those that actually participate in these ping pong contests stepped up to the plate, dropped their Badges of Allegiance for a moment, and answered from their true selves, what they believe they get out of participating in these online argy - bargies. What hunger does it feed? What need does it meet? What is the highest motive behind it? What is the lowest motive behind it? If it's the same old 'my football team will beat your football team' or 'my dad's better than your dad'.. or if it's a missionary zeal to make the One Truth Known and Cast Asunder all the Vile Pretenders.... whatever it is, it would surely be beneficial to get some consciousness around it.

Gosh Pero, that's gruesome and incredible. Thanks for telling. I have actually done the practises in the book, and they were very powerful indeed, and I admired them. Obviously I havent had any transmission, unless it comes from the text itself.

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I did a death meditation as part of a retreat. It went on for many hours, overnight. I dont know how long it was. Maybe 10 hours. The aborigine healers were - how to say without sounding like a visitor to the starship enterprise - sensed presences. The meditation involved darkness and stillness and sensory irritation via a lot of discordant noises, to stop one from going unconscious. So it was an experience on an inner level, rather like those who have done 'darkness retreats'. Did your death experience make you feel differently about your own death? I feel more friendly toward death now, or so I fondly imagine.

ok. I dont want to read the krishnamurti at this stage of the book club. I would like to get some Taoism in before diversity kicks in. I would like the Robinet and Kohn books to be second and third. After that I'd like to read some BKFrantzis at some point, as we have someone here who can explicate for us. If we have a term of diverse texts as a break from Taoism, I'd like to try something by Barry Long which I know Ian recommends, but I've no acquaintance with. Perhaps we can do three months Taoist texts, three months other texts, and people can drop in and out as they like.

The record is getting well fed today, nevertheless I add to it's plate - TaoMeow I was well aware of what you were doing with your stylistic echoing. I recognise the style of making a point very well. I'm far from critical of such devices. I might have done it myself if you hadnt got there first. I would have made myself queasy in the effort so I'm glad I didnt have to do it. Also, I am with you on your second point. As someone who has swung hither and yon in her time I'm hardly likely to be homophobic, and of course that just isnt what we are speaking about when we speak of Taoist methodologies, and even the suggestion that Taoism is homophobic and that this would need to be chewed over just wearies me... which doubtless shows what a cat ready to recline I have become...

Where did you do the death experience, vortex? I wasnt laughing during that when I did it either. I had an experience of aboriginal healers looking down on me and rummaging about my insides and shifting stuff around, in a quiite concerned manner. But I certainly did feel light and relived for along time afterward. A friend who did the same experience, had an OBE during it. Had to be brought back in by the teacher. *I meant to write 'relieved' but I wrote 'relived"..

I can empathise, jan. I had a handful of non stop laughter episodes after practise, too. ( not kunlun, btw) To the extent of my face really hurting and my stomach muscles hurting. It's a huge release, isnt it. I remember once being unable to take part in a normal conversation on retreat due to my laughter, and everyone finding it a bit difficult to put up with my hilarity. Even now when I have a lot of energy work going on I get very effervescent and high. What I find interesting is that not everyone responds this way. Is it a release of heart energy, do you think? I'm interested to know the specifities of it. I know that some people cry a lot, and of course sometimes we get anger come up also. I think we have talked about anger release before on the forum.

I agree with Pietro. I think that if you want a book club that is for krishnamurti or other books of interest that arent Strictly Taoist, then a potential possibility is to open a different book club branch for that. We have enough members to fuel more than one book club, and I'm sure a lot of members, like me, read more than one book at a time. just a thought.

Just for the record, all this Heroic 'hurrah' stuff makes me nauseous. All the new age crap makes me nauseous too as does the knee jerk PC thoughtlessness. I would be very disapointed if the board got infected with the PC virus which is the equivalent of Big Brother, really. The polarities of the red neck boastful aggression and the quiche eating fearfulness , can we please avoid them. For the record also, 'cat' is something I am called by people who love me, so for me it is an honest name as well as a way of not allowing identiity theft or whatever else. Running off at the mouth becasue you are on the internet and dont have your real name on view is an evolvement issue. Most of us post responsibly because we are sane and want to be part of this online community, not because our real life identity is known or not. People who 'hide' behind their handle are basically trolls, arent they. And you can either think they bring balance and truth, or that they are mosquito's, or some other theory. The solution to trolls doesnt lie in splaying your "real life " identity across the internet.

I'm pleased Eva Wong is the first choice. I agree very strongly with Pietro that we need to be all on the same page at the same time in order to discuss it most fruitfully. Chapter dates. BTW. About the five phases being energy in movement with blurring at the edges and replication of the phases within the phases ad infintum. The thing is--- this is a holographic image, rather than a mental map with a Mondrian influence. It's good to remember that we are talking about energy, and to imagine it in the air floating next to us,in us, all around us, rather than equate it to the diagrams we see on a page. I also agree that the getting of wisdom is an an inevitable proccess for some. Regardless of what they are reading.

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Well I guess there could be more than one book club going on at the same time. More choice.

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that's funny. I like him from his picture! Clear Light of Bliss has what I think are FANTASTIC practises in it. What would cover the same ground and not give you the creeps? I think people would love the practises.

you can just say *bump* if you like, BioDisc.