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Exactamundo! Nice example.

Hi Steve, Yes, laughter qigong is great. .... I knew I was being a tiny bit controversial in this thread, hoping to stimulate a discussion which might throw up something interesting/unexpected. .... so was just suggested opening further than one might expect into the full humanity of this. One is expected to be numb or blaming or outraged or grief stricken ad infinitum and yet being accepting of our human nature and able to cry and reach laughter is much more healthy. It is really about full mobility, experiencing the spectrum of responses to life, going beyond conditioning. Not being stuck. In fact what Otis is talking about it is going beyond the usual duality of 'self v other' : unconscious mechanisms of conditioning which inevitably externalise psychopathology as 'other' and I am talking about going beyond dualistic conditioning further than that. Going beyond conditioning of course is what happens as art of spiritual practice, and is a practice within itself. You might know of the author Patricia Highsmith and her "Ripley" series , about the highly 'civilised' psychopath who loves fine wine and appreciates lavender smelling wax polish for his antique furniture, and then without demur efficiently kills whomever gets in his way. This character has long been a tagname amongst my colleagues and friends for referring to our 'inner psycho', as ie "Part of me could get quite Ripley about that.." (I remember being told by an jungian analyst a long time ago that I had no problem owning my shadow. I guess this is why I am surprised at the 'difficulty' level of owning shadow as discussed here.. the first thing that happens when we meditate is... SHADOW jumps up at us, ! But of course it is very individual how much of this a person can look in the face and integrate. If we dont do so, we are stuck. And then I wonder how many of us over- identify with the light, which is a sure fire recipe for disaster, and otoh, how many cant quite own that we are , as Michal Lomax says, lightwarriors . ..) Anyway, thanks for your thoughtful reply. I'm all for us having and allowing ourselves to have a wide repertoire of responses. Certainly not one instead of another. I just want to add a small something about the nature of laughter. It doesnt exclude heart and it isnt the opposite of taking something seriously.( Once again I am beating the drum of 'dont get trapped into dualising everything!" as much for myself as anything) The old image of giggling schoolchildren getting chalk thrown at them by the teacher is embedded in our collective.. we assume that laughing is an avoidance and that one cannot be paying attention if one is laughing. Is that really true.. I also think there is something about time passing that allows humour in...it honours the organisms need for reaction to be an ongoing process, for a shift away from grief and shock into a new phase , this is so that the system can be healthy and remain in fluidity. If we stay stuck in grief,or anything else, quite simply, we become ill.. stagnancy ensues. A serious post about humour..

depression's nothing special.

ha, yes. I like the "some kind of anesthesia" description. Just enough anaesthesia, a kind of sweet super-refined buzz makes the roof of my mouth ecstatic, and my brain sink beautifully downward into itself with nothing to occupy it, when our cat sits very close to me purring. the word 'factoid' makes me smile.

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I like this one, it's great de_p, it's walking lightly on the earth. and of course it leads you straight to specialness, but that is a secret. specialness is nothing special anyway.

Yeh, the 'no self' thing really does freak people out. So here's a challenge, for anyone who wants to have a go. Write a very clear and concise laymans definition if it, designed bearing in mind the activation of resistance reflex which so often sabotages clear grasp , and attempt to bypass that mechanism. Virtual applause awarded for any good attempts.

Black Cumin Seed Oil is what works.

Andrew Harvey is inspirational, a talented scholar and mystic who shares very articulately what can happen in the proccess of surrender. His books are a delight to read. If he were coming near me I'd go see him. He's also very active with various eco ideas which are creative and earth loving.

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I have to echo Freeform and say "Creation, I am increasingly impressed with your posts!"

Thankyou

Love it, Thankyou v much, enjoyed !!! You have a great weekend too. xxxxxxx

I'm sorry bol, I am unable to communicate with you profitably. Your assumptions are too wide of the mark.

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I am glad you brought his up. It seems a very common misconception, that tranquility is somehow benumbing and that it precludes, for example, dancing. Again, an example of how our mind creates dualities where there are none.

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This is not my experience. I wish it were. But it isnt.

I strongly recommend you follow the link that Dainin gave. Once you have addressed the practicalities of treatments from Karen,if you choose to do so, then you cant go wrong with Michael Lomax, any contact you have with him is a gift. With regard to Skype help, I know SHaktiMama here works that way and she is not just a mentor but also a trained nurse and knows a lot about physical issues from a medical and practical point of view. Good Luck indeed.

Hi Moth. painful mistakes come from people doing sexual retention practises and sexual nei gung without having a teacher or experience in the field. Simple Qigong doesnt cause painful mistakes. Good Luck.

I dont think that members of this board believe for a moment that their most important desires can be met by black magic. You'd best head off to the "stuck in power games" forum.

Yes, good question.. you hit the nail on ze head methinks.. how do you stop being attached to your pain?! That's what our practices are about, arent they.. freeing up the stagnant patterns.. There are so many ways to intervene into stagnancy, the board is always discussing them : acupuncture/ herbs/ diet changes/ retreats/ getting closer to nature/ energy purification/ connection to the divine etc etc etc.. and as de_paradise pointed out, there's no 'magic pill', no one size fits all, it's the process of unfoldment, the process of waking up. The thing to do is fall into the process, and in a way fall in love with it, no matter how tough it is, to feel that there is no other satisfying way to live, than to engage with the process. This is what I feel, anyhowz, afaik!

Yes, the omniscience really does mean just that. ( groovy, eh.) Which is one of the things I was referring to long ago and far away, at the start of this thread! When I mentioned enlightenment for me including the non - ordinary, not just succcesful integration into ordinary reality. Have had bits of this, also. Glimpses of what an expanded open consciousness might actually be like, eh. Yowsers.

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A life without children would be very sad. Children dont just scream, far from it. My children never scream at all. Please stop referring to children in a negative sense, objectifying them and projecting your negativity and fears onto them. Bear in mind if you spoke of a race of people the way that you speak of women and children you would have been banned from the forum. Consider your prejudices, please.