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Brilliant! Thanks so much for sharing something real. I know what you mean about the doorway: once you move through it, resistance is dissolved and what was 'pain' is now something else: a phenomenon. The stuck energy shifts instead of is resisted. I think EFT works really well to open that doorway, to lower the resistance which sets up the kind of road block that we experience as pain. Idk if you know EFT.. the first thing it removes is our disaproval of self / withdrawal of self acceptance: so often when have pain or symptom we are annoyed with ourselves for 'falling from grace'.. and the negativity immediately makes the situation escalate. About 'chi state' .. my first training was one in which 'enter qigong state' was an always and every time instruction, so that it became an instant thing one could do. It might help if one uses qigong standing stance, for as long as it takes, ie train to use that to signal to the body that it's full flow open time. At some point it's possible to do it mentally, the pathways become well worn. One of the useful things I learned about pain is that it is never steady. It moves in waves. There will always be dips in the wave. Even when the pain is beyond what you think you can endure, it will ebb. You will get a chance to regroup, some. This is the way it moves.

Anyone have any actual experience to share about pain and their actual response to it?

Fiveelementao mentioned here the other day, the Shiva path, the path of transformation/purification through destruction. I think pain can be part of that path.

Thanks Seth. Got a bit involved in typing out some of Secret History : "In the secret history the evolution of the species was not the even progress that science supposes. There were twists and turns that have important implications for the way we understand our own physiology and make up. There were dead ends,false starts and even deliberate attempts at sabotage. According to the secret doctrine animals evolved into the forms we are familiar with today, influenced by the stars and planets, lions by the constellation of Leo, for instance.. The cosmic plan was that all the world's biological forms would be gradually incorporated into humankind, which was intended to be the crown of all creation. As the gods led humanity closer to human anatomy as we now it, they assumed the part animal, part human forms remembered by the Sumerians, Egyptians, Babylonians, Persians, unitill they assumed the forms remembered by the ancient world, the Greeks and Romans... the goddess of the planet Venus was cow headed Hathor and Mercury was dog headed Anubis on the walls of Egyptian temples. According to secret tradition, these same gods, the same living beings,were remembered by classical Greeks in later, more evolved form.......In the secret history the last creatures to incarnate before humans were the apes. they came about because some human spirits rushed into incarnation too early, before human anatomy was perfected. In the secret history , therefore, it is not right to say that humans descended from apes, rather that apes represent a degeneration of humankind. " Fascinating book, very fun to read, really recommend it to those who havent come across it yet.

I had a lot of pain recently. I was told "look on the bright side, you're burning through a lot of karma", which foxed me right proper, because uuhh, did I volunteer to burn karma so painfully..no, not consciously. Am I a better person from having that pain, and all the pain I've had.. yes. More compassionate, more fully human. It extended my territories. As the pain of childbirth does. How did I cope with it? I became very quiet indeed and shut down to be alone with the pain, to feel the suffering full on, just to watch it 'what are you going to do now, pain?!' It needed space, clearly. It claimed it. I also wondered what I had done to create a situation that caused pain, so it was an opportunity for self examination of an urgent nature. Would I choose that kind of opportunity, not consciously, no. Would I choose to extend my territory? yes. Pain, and laughter, and love... treat them all the same? Part of the journey. Love more, because you know pain. Laugh more, because you know pain. Cry less, because you know pain.

People learn from cats but cant control them. Cats learn from being stroked, and they love it. The tao learns from love, and it exists.

Thanks Ralis. I know both those things you mentioned and I reckon so does Seth. I'm more interested in Hermetic and Alchemical ideas of origin than the mainstream ones, right now.

Seth, I know you read "The Secret History of the World" by Johnathan Black... did you get the idea that we evolved from monkeys, when you read that? I wonder what your sense of it is.

oh, that's groovy.

I had a lot of anger response in me, very fiery, very volatile. The healing sounds helped me a lot, I used to vent liver sometimes just walking along the road, had to do it very regularly. They are very useful and fast acting in the moment, and offer a deeper balance, over the long term. Healing sounds

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My link a poster here, Kris, mentioned the book "The Lost secrets of Death" by Peter Novak... is very interesting.Thought you might like, manitou.

Yes, you dont have to try so hard. Just r e l a x into it, enjoy tickling it and r e l a x.

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Truth will out, Apech, we even know about your "bread".

here's Neil Slade explaining it http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Gd8Zmx3Jmlk

hi rookie, I have tried it and yes it works. I didnt purchase anything though, I just read how to click my amygdala, and did it. It's easy. It lifts your mood instantaneously. Lately I've been listening to lectures by Todd Murphy on neuroscience and spirituality, one of the interesting things he pointed out which I didnt know is that the two side of the amygdala when stimulated create different feelings. One side creates a varying spectrum of response ranging from a sense that some presence is there with you, and degrees of that sensation, all the way to a full on sense of God, Bliss, Light, Divinity. The other side when stimulated creates a sense of fear and doom, a sense of impending calamity. Sooo interesting about the amount of people who get the "I found God" and at the same time start wearing sandwich boards reading "The end is Nigh" I also heard, elsewhere, that an enlarged amygdala equates with a high level of creativity, and that enlarged amygdala is also often found amongst homosexuals.

Bear in mind that the vast majority of taobums never need to be moderated by an external source, they actually do it themselves very beautifully. Thanks to all the members who use the board so productively, interestingly, and respectfully. That leaves a few members who abuse their forum membership with multi handling, trolling, clique infighting, and insulting other members repeatedly. Apech has done a lot of tedious work moderating some very inapropriate use of the forum, and thanks go to him for doing it with such good grace. Thanks Apech.

click your amygdala to see how easy it is to modify your usual mood/perception base

Some relationships /people can go straight to the point and see/feel/relate the divinity in their partner instinctively and organically have that flower within them..some not so fast.. all birthdays that lead to cake are good 'uns.

It would make a nice reply video to the clip you quoted, to suggest the "offering to the goddess" way ... which isnt currently part of widespread awareness, but who knows.. it could well become so..

My statement referred to the idea put forward in ShaktiMama's clip, as well as her saying !

the idea of masturbating over a photograph as rape is as common to a modern person as tea in water?! do I live in a different century? it's 2011 isnt it?!?!