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Recently, I started to recognise my chakra sounds apart from the hissing, chirping and machine gun like high pitches in my head, and surprisingly, they really correspond to the info around, there are 7 distinct sounds in the different times of the day, most of the times, one note is active, and rarely two of them are distinguishable at the same time. I am assuming these sounds are coming from my most active chakras I am a self learner with no visible living teachers around, so I move with reconciling my experiences with the info I get from other people's writings. I am practicing kuji in meditation for a year,one interesting thing I discovered is the first mudra Rin really maintains a heated current from the tip of the spine to the head, but the dominant chakra seems to be the ajna which I was not expecting at all and in the literature it is said to be related with the base chakra. During the practice I only hear the sound note corresponding to ajna instead of the base chakra, although physically, the source of the current feels like starting at the tip of my spine and gives the effects of generic base chakra, so apparently it is doing much more than simply activating the base. Any comments based on personal experiences on this ? Thanks in advance.

Hi Chruncy, Good old prayer mudra, do it and be still for 10 minutes each day, and increase the time gradually if you wish. My experience, does exactly what you asked to me. Best

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There you go : http://thetaobums.com/topic/12639-flying-phoenix-chi-kung/page-58#entry284011 Best of everything

You're welcome. I promise you will be the first one I will tell

Hi Aurelien, I did some other stuff as well and started FPCK with the long form which i am still doing not because i was an expert from the beginning, but have some spinal issues which did not permit me do even the static standing meds as well as sitting series. After a year of doing the long form almost everyday, then I was able to incorporate bending the bows. I still can not sit in any cross legged position, so last year I started the sitting meds on a chair, and still doing them this way. I only experienced healing of myself, saw the inner blue color recently, and i am still struggling hard to maintain stillness. Besides FPCK I did kuji kiri mudras set daily as still meditation without mantras which turned out to be an excellent supplement. Best of everything

No, I am not offended at all, thanks for the opportunity to spill some of my beans This thread has two Sifus and I evaded your exact question, not to confuse any one if i am wrong. My insight about spirituality is finding and staying in the awareness I am born with, before the intellect took over. All the effects and experiences, including meditations -and FPCK-is impermanent, as they still include the time and space.What is timelessly experiencing all this is always here and now, outside of space time. I am looking for who is experiencing all these rides, light shows and other curiosities during the practice, and try to stay in the experiencer /center/awareness. I watch the show including my babbling mind, try not to forget that it is an experience i am mixing up with personality issues. Meditation (FPCK at this time) helps the energetic formation (mind??) to become clear of intellectual illusions and helps to stay in that timeless stillness where experiences are lived. This mode spills lot of inner light (shen?) compassion and grace, and intuition starts to build up. Of course, there is also the martial aspect of this art, which apparently does not go well at least with compassion, and it is over me Happy practicing

All the exercises are special meditations . They developed my subtle senses so that after a while I started perceiving and diffrentiating the different chimes and ringings arising from my heart and brain. These sounds convert to bluish whitish or golden light and become a real good symphony with a light show during the exercises. Each exercise has a different theme and song from a sunny hot beach to dark blue moon lighted mountain top to indigo abyss.Each form activates a different group of chakras, which tone the energy body and physical stuff within. I had lots of insights as to who i am not, while relaxing my intellect and observing everything within. I also tried other Doo Family arts, there is especially one 9 mudra set done in stillness with a breath percentage which dazzles golden light within, it one time overrided my intellectual perceptions, slowed the time, and in this overclocked state revealed two electron blue oblong headed entities who seemed rather concerned , in a fraction of time. This is what I meant by the spiritual aspects of FPCK, all my experience. I am of course just a novice, but these are my experiences, I don't want to speculate on. Best of everything, Cihan

If you don't have any basic training, they are not much useful. I recommend you to practice FPCK first with Sifu Terry's excellent and very affordable teaching, learn and incorporate all the basic mudras, be fairly profecient , and after a digesting period of when you start intuitioning on the practices, then you might be able to figure out what Master DW is doing in this real time footage of his lesson, by dilligently studying each set for about an hour. Or of course, you can contact Sifu Dan Rochelle. Some of his material did find me long before I started FPCK, and I discarded them as useless, but it is also a hudge mistake. They are very powerful and might be dangerous if you are not "clean at heart" and figure out what you are doing. Anyways the affordable and safe key to these is either Sifu Terry's or Sifu Garry's teachings. That doesn't mean FPCK is a stepping stone. It is a FULL SYSTEM you can practice lifetime.Finally at the 4th year, I am getting an incredible lightness of my 50+years of my body in an awsome electron blue and more. It is a spiritual system, of which health effects are byproducts. My deepest gratitudes to everyone who made this system available for practicing.

Hello Ben,You can do the sitting meditations like I do and still benefit from them: I cannot sit in any cross legged position, so I am still doing the sitting meds on a chair. At the beginning, I even leaned on my back as I had similar back problems like you. Once the "stuff" gets accumulated, the show starts, the posture takes care of itself, so please do not give up and at least try them once like I do, if you have no other choice. Doo Wai Family Arts are VERY POWERFUL and also help you find the stillness 7/24 . Plus they help the health issues. Please do not give up on this. Best of everything, Cihan

As one of the blind men describing an elephant in the story, my brew is that : Mind is the mechanism to play the movie of life. Everything is in my mind as well as my body and my thoughts describing it, so it cannot be in a certain location of what it creates, it is in everything, and seems to operate from the outside. Mind creates time and space by playing linear data, records all cumulative impressions, and plays them back with new appearances by using the same directory of collective memories , set of rules and god knows what else. The good thing is it seems to have an interface which is made available for us humans, which we ignore and choose to be on the passive side, enjoying and contributing with all kinds of negative and positive emotions, and some of us stir and start to look for the source. It plays -kind of- still frames with a certain refresh rate, so learn to fiddle with the frequencies via qigong, meditation, prayer, magic etc., and,voila! you are in the occult business exploring multi-realms still inside the mind, by utilizing higher chakras. I realize the mind. Logic does not work, as it is also a sub created tool of the mind. Realization that I am also outside of the mind as well comes from the sense of heart. Out of it can not be defined or speculated within. Yet, thank goodness it is realizable.

Incorporating hand mudras like Kuji Kiri helps to maintain a steady energetic flow for a long session. The whole set consists of 9 mudras. When done in correct order, really works for me without additional mantras or any other ritual, just by observing. I do each mudra for 9 minutes, or until the breath tends to halt and give me that nice happy , alight expansion, and after about 90 minutes I feel much more alive, and can do another set happily and easily, but feel no need. I definitely recommend doing the set as a supplement to a long meditation session.

Dear Sifu Terry, Thank you very much for the clarification and your time.It's good to know that I have not sidetracked . Best, Cihan

In his book "Mindfullness, Bliss and Beyond", Ajahn Brahm describe "Nimittas", showing up after a certain stage in mindfullness meditation, which are basically mental images appearing before the "Jhanas" which are stages of deep deep meditation. FPCK meditations activate mental images which may or not be like Nimittas, Me staying in the "perceiver" mode in FPCK, they arise at most 15 minutes within the practice. After I end the meds with the breathing, the physical sensation of radiating do stop, but these images linger on, and each practice tends to have a different image, color tone and feeling. Nowadays, I experiment in being still right after the practice by staying with these images and feelings as long as I feel safe, and they are really blissful and powerful. One of the challenges is withdrawing of my all senses and surrender as these images again start the physical enamations, which I afraid will burn something if I let go completely in my unpure state, otherwise I would stay in this mode forever I did not experience a true Nimitta as I am not doing "Mindfullness Med" by the book to compare. Anybody have any comment/experience on this? If they are "Nimittas" , you reach them in a very short period in comparison to classic meditations, so this is another awesome property of the FPCK series for the spiritually inclined. My sincere gratitudes to Sifu Terry and all other Sifus (Also to this Forum and Fu Doggy for starting this thread and fellow threaders) Best to all.

Well, i don't know anything about Mala, but of the kuji mudras, kai trigger flow of images while using them in my sitting meds, but require both hands. You might also search for taoist travelling hands which is taught by Max Christiansen for dreamwork and astral t., which is also described in the famous Kunlun book, but this is also a two hand practice. Best.

Dear Sifu Garry, I am really grateful to you and Sifu Terry for representing this art . Having a little tai chi and 3 years of diligent Fpck work, I am finding your moving forms on the dvd very entertaining to learn, and also very complementary. I finally reached a windy and menthol effect of chi outside and some strong inner light, and while practicing the short form in your Dvd, for the first time I managed to tie in my experiences of tai chi and Fpck meditations to figure out correct posture , intent and breath to engage this chi and to stay in the awareness. I don't know if I am on the correct path, but this is really an awsome Art which deserves serious practice. Thanks again for this. Cihan

Hello Aurélien, Well done:) Although it is up to the sifus to decide how correct you are doing the form, it looks pretty OK., and your commitment counts more... The form + mind is inviting and housing the FP energy. Your form will correct itself in time if you sincerely practice. Your mind has to distinguish the effects of what you are doing, and hold your intent of the form all the time, just like you are driving. In this way, you can be with the FP. Don't leave the car and chase the short skirts you see on the sidewalks when the car is moving. Stay in the car and be mindful if you are not doing already.

Thanks for your responses. Altiora, zen mudra works wonders, I also discovered spontaneously that: holding it on throat level gives extra strength immediately, and holding it above the head makes (very strangely) the root & second chakra active and put me in a very good mood . Thanks TI, I have read that already. (un)fortunately, there is not much written material around , and Lepine's work I found really OK for a legitimate start. Thanks for the advice, but growing up among high dogma and heavy beliefs, I have to do some sightseeing and discovery on my way. I am already cultivating for 25 years and do not like new age stuff much just like you might not also

Congrats on discovering and practicing this wonderful system. If you are not doing already, try to relax your abdominal muscles and invite the breath to fill and swell your belly naturally when your breath tends to stop. It takes some time to return to this "default"setting. I am an occasional runner and was conditioned to breath from the position of my lungs only before I discovered Chi kung and yogic breathing. This is just my guess that you might be at a similar situation.If you feel healthy, do not be concerned about your body doing something on its own It has a bit more intelligence than our intellectual stuff. Best of practice

Hello all, I've been practicing the long form and BTB for over 3,5 years . As I am completely on my own, with occasional help from you guys in this forum, my gains from this might be somewhat different. There are noo teachers around Istanbul. These are my current realizations and my overall progress: As I did not know how to stand properly then, the basic static standing meds did not appeal to me, I also could not sit properly (still can not), so I decided to start from what I could best manage, with a little tai chi experience before, I started with the Long Form, doing 5-6 reps a week in 2010. I am an occasional athlete, and within a year's time of practicing the Long Form, I run 2 marathons and a half one for the first time in my life in one year's time. The Long Form improved my recovery rate in betwen the runs amazingly. At that year, with all the good chemicals in my brain because of running and practicing the long form, I really felt like a big cat, happy, relaxed and agile most of the time. Then, as usual, things came in between, I stopped running but discovered that I can now do BTB, which was very painful before, but my body was adjusted doing the long form for a year, so I added BTB to the practice. I then added a Magnetic Qigong as thaught by sifu Chris Matsuo and later discovered Kuji In meditations, both of which greatly complemented to what I am becoming. Nowadays I am doing all of the above exercises, plus the standing static ones, plus the first two of the Monk Serving Wine series, (by sitting with the help of cushions), alternately at an average of 2 hours a day. The standing forms are said to be basic, but once I go over the barrier of proper alignment they tied into meditation, and provided me the fuel to dive deeper,(or go higher?) gave many insights and also taught me how to better meditate. Even BTB becomes a static form when I do it "slow" and it teaches me to do it with less physical effort every time .I haven't mastered The Long Form to that degree yet, but it provides me with the usual health benefits meanwhile and eventually I hope to master this new level. The forms insighed me into expanding and contracting using my intent. My intention becomes a container for chi. When I relax, I seem to expand like a vortex and get filled with generated chi, which feels like it completely belongs to me and operable.Ironicaly, it takes a lot of "effort" for me to relax and stay like that for a period of time. I don't know whether this is the reason for the good health effects, but definitely I am not dreaming about it. Another thing is the ground feels more and more like a part of me through which I directly connect to the outside. After the exercise, I feel a little drunk in a good way and feel different. Is that the reason Monks are Serving Wine? I am not using any drugs or alcohol, but for the past week it felt and still feels like I was wearing a red cape most of my wake hours, and when I did the forms, the cape becomes dark bright blue, so I think I am hopefully somewhat on a parallel path with the other practitioners. (I also realized now maybe I take a break from practicing for a few days to rest and adjust). Best wishes to all Cihan

Hello Cihan, I'm so glad to hear that you persevered for more than a year and recently found the correct way to practice Bending the Bows. It is the most important of the basic moving standing FP Meditations. Because I had about 11 years of Yang Tai Chi training before I started practicing FP Qigong in 1991, I distinctly remember that after doing about 10 rounds of BTB (at La Cienega Park in the center of L.A.), I was pleasantly stunned when I started to do the Yang Short Form of Cheng Man-Ching and the Form literally did itself. Every movement was effortless and frictionless throughout the first third of the form. Then i started thinking about the blissful frictionless state too much and of course it went away. Ah, attachment is a bitch. But all this is to say Congrats! Once you establish Bending the Bows, all the other moving standing FP Meditations are easier to do and have greater self-healing effect. Please keep us informed of your progress in Turkey and new revelations with FP. Best, Sifu Terry Sifu Terry, I somehow had missed your above response, and came across it just now. Thank you very much for your comments. I know LA and La Cienega, worked as a CPA there in 1987-88, lived in Santa Monica for a year. I was desperately seeking a spiritual way these years, there was a Zen Monastry in the East Part, but they did not welcome me telling their master was very old and dying, and there were lots of New Age crackheads around UCLA Westwood, they freaked me out I wish I met you at these years. Anyways, somewhere in this hudge thread I remember you saying once something like BTB helping to master the use of thumb and forefingers If I remember correct. Not that I am pursuing anything like that, but I am just curious about what you can reveal more about BTB if you care. Thanks & Best Cihan

Dear Ant, I did not reply to you, because I did not know what to say. And I did not take your words as an insult. But I know what I am saying, Transmission for me is not instant enlightenment. It is like suddenly seeing your long lost friend waving back to you from a small window in a distant building far away, among many buildings and windows all filled with thousands of other crazy people Then you know the way to your friend, because you saw the location. To see your friend, you have to look. That simple.This is the heart. I was so lucky to locate my friend among all that chaos, but all I did was LOOKING. My way still feels far away, but I know I will eventually get there , because I saw where the fk I have to go. Genuine friends do not tell you what you want to hear, they wave to you to show the way. This is also the blessing. This forum & thread has these friends, you can trust them. Please do not give up your FPCK cultivation, I realised that even mastering only a single exercise is a fast vessel, once you are not lost by conceptualising and doubting. Best to you & all, Cihan

My wife is not the problem, she is my only safe bunker. The problem is my obsession, I can't explain the pain I am feeling for my new love.She is a very troubled soul with very strong destructive emotions ,her life based on lies as I witness day by day, and right now she is going straight into the abyss of hell of her personal life. Although I did my best to help her, she closed her doors by probably hating me. I know that if I actively pursue her and she responds back again, I will be living an additional whole new set of hell which will definitely devastate my life and make everyone I love sad. I feel like I'd better live my path and cultivate in a friendly environment accompanied by the real positive soul of my wife and friends rather than fighting with the demons of hell My wife understands without talking. I trust her heart. I am just enduring and observing the fire doing its job on me, and believe I will come out of it with a stronger heart. Thanks for enabling me to share

I don't know this is a no brain experience. the more I talk, the further I am from the real thing. My love with my wife is more earthly, and healtier, a great friendship based on no conditions. This love is like a very strong obsession with something I yearned for I can't describe. There is real chemistry, bodies charging in proximity. I can't help allowing or rejecting it . Despite the pain, it challenges me to stay open and not to run away, I feel that it will drop someday when the heat completes its work on me.

The same truck hit me 2 weeks ago. I am 50, she is 25. When she is near me, i feel like a little baby near my mother, when i think of her, all i perceive is the divine light of the creator shining from a real goddess. I am burning with love, while hudge dragons of selfish emotions and obsessions fly around me, ready to eat me up,i see the immense cavity in my soul waiting so desperately to be filled, and strangely, I don't want this pain go away. This love is worth burning. I have a wonderful wife, kid and fullfilling live, and I know this relation is better to be kept platonic, but the pain, oh the pain... I can sense her frustrations and pains in her private life, so am also burdened with her emotions, and in a very foolish way expressed my love and terrified her, tripling the pains in my heart. Luckily, I can still find the strength to do my daily chores, by absorbing some of the burning in my Ldt. The fire showed me what kind of a monster i have become in my personality, and i pray that monster burn to ashes, enabling me to be filled again with divinity which she shows me any time I think of her.. Love is the gretest gift. My deepest bows to Rumi and others threading the path of love, which i finally deeply realized what it is all about.