templetao

Im not questioning the existence of other taoist paths my question to the Verdesi foundation was what do you consider leishandao? What i posted above was my response. i didnt agree but thats ok. Now i did get some useful information from the discussion as well. So ill extend my question to you. What do you consider to be leishandao?

I agree what they told me that "there was something like 8 levels of stillness and that mo pai only requires the second level of stillness and that shen development paths go much deeper into stillness". Now i consider that bs. Deep stillness can be reached no matter what alchemy that you do.

Ill put in end to this leishandao word. i called the verdesi foundation. And i asked them what they meant by leishandao and this was what i was told. "The only real difference to know whether your practicing leishandao or not is but what level of stillness your practice produces. Meaning that if your inner practice takes you into deeper levels of stillness then it is a shen development path. So heres the funny thing so lets say you practice a path that produces yin yang kung but it also produces a deep level of stillness then it would not be considered leishandao path. The reasoning behind this they told me was that systems like mo pai dont require deep stillness to do the meds and attain." Now i considered this bs. All deep alchemy has dan development and shen cultivation you really cant separate them in my opinion.

Congratulations I wish you the best and i hope you continue to progress.

I agree but Maybe this is why there is such a misunderstanding?

Well its always interesting to see how threads go. about the invoking of entities i really dont know much about it. But this is what i do know. The Tao encompasses yin and yang and in this there are 4 gate keepers to heaven one for the north, east, west, and south. On this i dont know much more than this. My interest in internal power came thru martial arts. Meaning that if someone showed up to my home and wanted to fight id ask myself could i defeat them? My training lead me to internal development because i couldnt beat someone had jing. Now once getting the jing the question comes of how do i keep increasing my internal power? then this leads to ascension. and after a few years you learn the truth of it and i did then you just keep training to improve. Now this knowledge took me years to get of searching and paying out alot of money. To know not just to guess or to wonder but to know. So now if i want to generate internal power aka manifest jing i dont do condensing breathing or other similar methods to create it (that is of the lower method). I just focus on my ldt and it sends the buzz thru out my whole body. With correct training anyone can progress.

Yeah I heard that a certain someone got a pretty big attainment recently.

I know something of this but nothing as a definite plan of action that you can take to help you. I can tell you this that if you are about cultivating virtue then you may receive help. When on the virtue path you really dont need a blessing from a master. For the blessing is to only supply or make up for the virtue that you havent developed yet. Virtue has spiritual qualities. Purity of mind spirit and chi will help get you there. You see virtue is beyond yin yang duality and it is beyond time. So when you go on the tao path you are on the path of immortality or indestructible virtue. These themes of cultivating virtue, releasing your power onto the source of all power, merging with the flow of all, connecting to the source, theres a piece of the divine in us and so on is in just about spiritual traditions all over the world. For it is the truth the way -that which connects you to the divine. The nature of the tao is that which connects you back to the source. The same as truth. For the tao is the force that balanced yin and yang and call it back to the source. So this is how the tao flows back to the source only extending itself for this reason. All of nature is a lesson to teach you that life is important. For life is virtue. Let me explain this a bit better. When a creature is created in the womb virtue is the energy that spins and starts to collect the other energies to create you in the womb. So lets move forward - This creature is born and is alive and has yin and yang chi. It lives its life then dies. Well death is separation so that which came from the earth will go back to the earth its chi will go into another life form and its virtue will go back to the tao. So all of this energy returns to the source it was only virtue that kept it together. If this creature can attach its awareness to its virtue then it will return to the source with the virtue. So it is like i said the movement of the tao is to the source and it only extends itself to do so.

Yes that is Him. He is a master like no other. In the terms of internal power he is a universe above me for I am no where close to him. he has been training in the true ascension path since before i was born. Everything you have read that i have posted on this forum this man is beyond it. Let me put it like this if i trained for a year straight in internal alchemy trying to increasing my internal power and trained 5hrs a day. After that year id still be no where close to him. He is the type of master that you leave home to go find out about. Ron Hoffman = High level Tao Master. He has students all over the world. And alot of his students are taichi masters from other systems. - it's like that.

Hmm I dont know. I think GrandMaster P has a point. Infact it was something i have been thinking about for a while. Heres my point. Mo Pai levels 1-2a is pretty much universal in most systems of cultivation. So it would be safe to say that anything you learn after that is uniquely mo pai. So thus being if dont learn the neichia that is uniquely mo pai were you ever considered a real student? The second question would be was this JC's intention from the beginning for westerners? Because thats the way it is now westerners can only learn the beginning levels. That being the case here is my 3rd question May Yung Chen did he really kick out the western students or was it an excuse that JC used?

I remember when Hoffman told me that a taichi master is a vessel for the supreme ultimate. It was like everytime i spoke to him he told me something that made my jaw drop.

Battle Royal im game i want to see how bad Sifu Lin is to be honest. it peaks my interest. Just to clear the air im Not Naziri I dont know mo pai and i never trained in it and i never claimed too. I know a few people that have, Jim and I emailed each other a few times but thats it. Naziri practices mo pai and helps people aspiring to it and those that practice it. My search is and always has been internal power outside of mo pai.

Yes spread the truth for many think that temple style is just about condensing breathing and jing when its a really deep and powerful system of tao cultivation.

Yes i agree, But theres some stuff a left out and on some things i did clarify on so let me explain a little bit better. In the beginning there was just void yin and yang was not differentiated yet. Yang culminates and separates from the void. This creates the yin now this has an echo effect and separates the void from yin yang. Meaning that wuji is such a higer level of energy that yin and yang cant even be close to it so it displaces itself. This created the realms from higher to lower. Now when this happened a force came out from the wuji to balance yin and yang and to bring it back to itself this is what we now call the tao. The Tao is the force that subtle network that connects us back to the void. So this can be called virtue for truth is that which connects us to the divine. So virtue is that which connects us to truth. So in inner power. There is jing which is transmuted chi that is outwardly expressed. Jing in time transmutes to Shen Now this awakened shen can awaken the the original power at the dantian. This original Virtue opens the door to the Tao and from that point you can bring in higher level energy into yourself. This is the levels of power and alchemy. It took me along time to discover this and to know that double meanings of these terms. Virtue is a real something that can be projected. So the spiritual truth is that the only power that is recognized on heaven and earth is virtue. So when one is going from jing shen to virtue and beyond... There abliltiy to fa jing will increase. This is the ascension thru inner power. When you connect to the your power to the tao there is much longer path to go. Thru the tao all of existence is. meaning this that there are levels of virtue beyond the level of energy you tap into at first. I mean this alchemy can happen during life and after. If you make it to the virtue level in life your awareness can follow it back to the tao thru the realms. Or you can do it in life and just ascend by making a higher and higher connection to the tao. The Tao TE ching is a very deep book.

Yes virtue was the original peace before yin and yang it is the way.

Virtue has many meanings. But virtue is actually a real something just like yin and yang can be solely concepts but they exist in nature too.

if you connect your mind to your original virtue then you can follow it after death and still continue to cultivate virtue.

So having that covered lets go into immortality. It is the destiny of virtue to exist forever for it came before time before duality. This is about union of the mind and original virtue and your original virtue to source of all virtue. The better your chi flows the stronger of the connection you will have with the virtue. When your chi flow is disturbed long enough your virtue will leave you and you will die. The taoists of old would connect to their original power and become real humans. There minds returned and fused with the original source of all power. Now if the taoist died at this stage of his life. He can follow this virtue back to the source. If the taoist continues to live he will continue to cultivate and connect his virtue to the source and work on fusing his shen to the source. From that point the taoist would work on becoming a vessel of pure tao energy or virtue. Meaning the separation of tao and his body is becoming less and less. if this is achieved this means his whole being has been transmuted into virtue. He can then fade away and enter the tao as himself. His virtue will never leave him he is virtue. So it is achieved in mind then spirit and finally in body So lets take this back to the level of alchemy. this is the ascension 1. Connect to chi, balance it bring and it back to the center. 2 Restore the original power. 3.Surrender to the flow and let your power merge with the source of all power 4 let the tao flow thru you and flow with it until there is no separation between you and the tao. The role of moving meditation is to teach you about the tao, to further tap into your inner intelligence, and to turn your whole body into an elixer field so if can feed and grow your dan until you become dan.

Connecting your power to the source of all power basically means surrendering. The power is intelligent so your tapping into this inner intelligence. Yin and Yang must pass thru this power over time. So this brings us to moving meditation. Moving meditation is to tap into this inner intelligence to move in a way that balances yin and yang that strengthens your original power over time leading to connecting to the source. Whether this is spontaneous or not does not matter. Spontaneous movements let the inner intelligence decide the best way to move to balance yin and yang and to strengthen itself. Controlled moving meds are meds that already know how the inner intelligence works. let me make this point clear the inner intelligence once tapped into and allowed to flow will flow in a way to connect to the tao for it is a small piece of the tao. Moving meds are advance teachings that teach you how to tap into the inner intelligence and move with the tao. So moving meds are art of surrendering to the flow of the tao and fusing with it. Like a drop of water returning to the river. Let me explain this a bit better. You do neikung and reconnect to your original source of power. So when you bring your mind to your ldt it charges you up. So now you do moving meditation to better tap into that power and once you can do that it will guide you in your movements. It is now sending a powerful buzz thru your whole body. So time goes on and then all of a sudden your doing the form and something grabs you and moves you as you do in a way like never before this is the beginning... So you continue to practice and this continues to happen then one day out of the blue a jolt manifests from your dantian and goes thru out your whole body. This current is different and not like before. Now this happens as you do the form now but only when you do the form. In time you will be able to manifest the same level of power that you do during the moving med.

Internal power as typical as fa jing all the way to virtue of course its listed in the first post on this thread.

I forgot to add to my last post that no matter if your doing a fire earth water or air method the whole goal is to connect to the source. So there are different methods out and it is all good they are all trying to accomplish the same thing. Alchemy and immortality is to share in the destiny of virtue. - Remember this I know out of all that i said that people will only remember what they find important to them at that time. In this way and many others the tao is perfect.

So there is the water method the fire method the air method and the earth method. The air method keeps you in a balanced state, charges you, and purifies you. The earth method deals with connecting to the current of power in the earth and using that to charge yourself up. So you would use the earth to charge you up and purify yourself. Fire burns away the impurities Water cleanses you as well. Every type of neikung deals with an element. All trying to get back to the source. Id also like to make this point as well. Once you connect to your original power/virtue. You are not longer doing methods you may know to generate inner power you are beyond that now you know have to prepare and strengthen your inner power to connect to the source of all power.

With the transmutation of inner power has transmuted to the shen level then along with your energy can project your spirit. At the jing level you project your yi at the shen level you can project your shen and yi.

The other side of Yuan chi is destiny. It is the destiny of the original virtue to exist forever just like it always has. So you connect to it and share its destiny. I forgot to bring this point up that when yin and yang goes to manifest something they come together when this happens this opens a door to the tao and then the manifestation will come thru via the network of the tao. If you working your way back to the tao via the orignal virtue and if you are having a problem for some reason then it maybe due to the mind energy or spirit isnt pure. So if your mind and energy is right then it may be a matter of the spirit. To fix this you have to have a spiritual connection to your practice.

Sure anytime thanks guys, Virtue calls us back to the source. So in the way of the same practitioners do so as well. It is Tao's work. - Tao Gong but this goes into things like a taoist priest extending his virtue to heal the sick and so on. The Yuan chi came before yin and yang. It can bypass duality (yin and yang) remember karma is the presence of virtue in the universe. Understand that once one chooses to ascend and decided to follow the path of heavenly virtue he leaves karma behind. You cant ascend thru the karma path like some seem to suggest unless you have enough good karma to do but even then if you were going to explain it like that that is just the tao reaching out to you. let me explain Virtue is beyond yin and yang. For it came before. It is only thru virtue that the ascension can take place. So unity fusion and so on is all the same thing it is just the removing of that which keeps you form the supreme ultimate. What did god tell John Chang in the magus of Java he said that he wasnt clean enough to come to him. You must be pure in body mind and spirit this holds true in all inner traditions thru out the world. The tao is the wuji that came to balance yin and yang. So for life and things to manifest and for yin to transmute to yang it must pass thru this network. For anything to have a balance of yin and yang and to hold on to it or maintain it it must have this virtue or part of this network in it for it is the wuji the balance of yin and yang before it separated Time is the force that lets you be you. Time is of yin yang (duality) Virtue is beyond yin yang so it is beyond time. - Understand Taoism is about holding onto to your virtue after death for this virtue is life. I wanted to make this point before i forgot it. You cant come into contact with virtue and remain unchanged. You can either connect to it or not. The path is about going home and stop being the rebelling fire burning yourself out. - Understand Back to alchemy and inner power guys (sorry started to branch off into other things) This is the truth if you can tap into the original virtue in you then you can control and use your yin and yang chi. For it is thru this virtue that yin and yang is balanced organized and controlled. Remember yin cant transtion to yang without passing thru this virtue and they cant remain in balance out this virtue. This is the methods i have seen that you may come across. 1. There are methods that restore your original virtue and then thus opening the gate and then work on accessing the power of the tao. 2. Others work on opening the gate temporarily bringing energy in from the source and circulating it in the body thus making the body handle more and more energy each time. but understand that each path leads to having fully opening your connection to the source.