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I sure get what you mean, but do you think this is what Daoists are up for in their search? Harry

So how do you follow?

>>Whom to trust<< wasn't so much referring to David... meant it general with regard to the ideas that anyone could be saved from their own way. If all turns out to be not to the favor of David (which I don't say it will) then what would happen to the souls realizing it? Some might go into depression some might learn a lesson some some some The trouble I have realized over the monthes last year and this year on this forum is that there so far is no teacher being presented here that in one way or the other wasn't made look bad one way or the other. So the question of trust is a big big one. If ones trust gets lost in bad experiences... what good is there to it??? Whom does it help??? With all unclaritiy with any of the teachers: is there any one one could trust in again and not feel cheated from the start? Any practice one could ever feel good with? The basic confusion of what the right path might be would get further manifested, but worse: people might start to stop looking for truth as they might start feeling there is no chance for them to ever find it. What good could be in that kind of a waking up ? whomever it is referring to... just a thought Harry

If it was like she felt suddenly "bad", felt "angry" or whatever of that kind: EFT & PEAT... not enough experience with BSFF smiles Harry

Please do so... and read more below of what I think of deep puncturing in certain areas, if you like... Hi "rain", there sure are materials out there that have several kind of explanations. I personally would speak of experience and might be able to use an analogy: first of. Anything the body/mind can't handle for whatever reasons can lead to trauma, if the body/mind does not instantly the modus of disassociation, which might turn to be a problem in its own right. Now. Lets say there is a tumor of any kind in the body (like with a friend of mine in her abdominal wall after an operation). The doctor recently had to look inside the abdominal cavity because of the possibility of endometriosis. Looking inside he found the "tumor" to be encapsulated by a lot of scar tissue. Now: what might happen if one were to open the scar tissue? It could be part of a healing process to hep the body get rid of the tumor, but it might as well lead to inflammation, in a worst case scenario maybe even spreadening of cancerous-cells if the tumor turns out to be maligne. In Japanese Acupuncture there is a needle technique of finely placing a thin needle close to the surface of a nodule and then moving the needle in a rotation movement to dissolve it. But this is not done forceful. A thick needle rammed right in there might to the contrary damage the tissue itself, thereby maybe worsening what has been not quite that okay before. By the way: Dr. Tan, a famous acupuncturist from San Diego never inserts the needle into the problem area, but always balancingwise away from it. with smiles Harry

Are you sure of that? Don't you think it would just amplify the question of whom to trust??? just a thought Harry

Hi Oolong R, in some cases it is like with homeopathy. there is a special term for it. In German "Erstverschlimmerung", meaning: initial worsening before it clears. Some do experience a kind of peeling effect like with an onion over a longer course of treatment. Troubles tend to reappear the timeline they appeared, starting with the least first, then the one before... probably the backwards movement of the original symptom-relocation over time... nevertheless: there is always the possibility of retraumatization with these kinds of treatments as well. So if it does not clear up quickly time to see a doc... sincerely Harry

Thankx guys for the reflections So today I set the first step of bringing a private practice of acupuncture a life. Looked for a room to use and by now it looks like I will be using one in the practice of two psychotherapists. I don't yet really know what to expect and how to have people have interest in me... but if I am right this once again is something belonging into the realms of Heaven's Will... and maybe some good old luck. So. I intend to mainly focus on raising money for years to come. I have many trainings ahead in acupuncture and alternative psychotherapy. That is binding a lot of energy and time. Hope to find a practice I manage to do on a regular base that helps me with health and energy issues... and maybe I get some more clarity of what it is all about. Can it really be that only so few know how to get back to the Source? Passing the wheels of Karma and reincarnation? I wonder... Anybody familiar with Ken Wilber. I am currently reading his book on Integral Spirituality. I feel quite secure to say that giving up once private life, social acitivites etc. likely is not part of Integral Spirituality. Our personalities tend to lack in certain areas if we do not manage to live that part well. I wonder if excluding this in favor of "just practice" is not just another trap in becoming whole, integrated and enlightened beings... I don't want to doubt your approaches guys. It just is something I wonder about for myself... Glad to be able to share Thankx for listening Harry Thankx guys for the reflections So today I set the first step of bringing a private practice of acupuncture a life. Looked for a room to use and by now it looks like I will be using one in the practice of two psychotherapists. I don't yet really know what to expect and how to have people have interest in me... but if I am right this once again is something belonging into the realms of Heaven's Will... and maybe some good old luck. So. I intend to mainly focus on raising money for years to come. I have many trainings ahead in acupuncture and alternative psychotherapy. That is binding a lot of energy and time. Hope to find a practice I manage to do on a regular base that helps me with health and energy issues... and maybe I get some more clarity of what it is all about. Can it really be that only so few know how to get back to the Source? Passing the wheels of Karma and reincarnation? I wonder... Anybody familiar with Ken Wilber. I am currently reading his book on Integral Spirituality. I feel quite secure to say that giving up once private life, social acitivites etc. likely is not part of Integral Spirituality. Our personalities tend to lack in certain areas if we do not manage to live that part well. I wonder if excluding this in favor of "just practice" is not just another trap in becoming whole, integrated and enlightened beings... I don't want to doubt your approaches guys. It just is something I wonder about for myself... Glad to be able to share Thankx for listening Harry

Yes indeed. And this is what lately I am wondering about: you know. What good is it to spend a lot on travel costs to see a high master when you likely know you won't manage to keep up to his standards? I mean: yes. It might be that one will never meet the master again because he once again is retreating, but what good does it to show up, go back home and don't be able to practice? I mean: sure. The experience. Maybe the hope that meeting the master itself will already change ones destiny... I am not sure. Nevertheless: I keep my fingers crossed for you and anyone else who is going to make the jump. Harry

You know. I do know that I am confused about many aspects. I do know that I wished a few things would be different. And I do know it is not up to me to decide what someone else should or should not do. Please know that I do not intend to justify what David is doing or not doing, or try to defend him or not. He does not need me for that and I know too little to be in a position to do so. But from what I know I can say a few things: The advertisement: For reasons that do not have to do with Master Wang Liping the seminars this month could not happen in China or closeby and had to be relocated pretty shortterm. It is not in David's hand to update the webpage and it would not be of importance anyway as the participants got chosen quite some time ago. If you are referring to the advertisement for the November seminar in Denmark: I by now have heard different ideas about what is going to happen, what is not going to happen and the whys for one or the other. I am pretty okay with staying back and waiting for things to happen and not judge them upfront and possibly not even much thereafter... What I do know though is that Jette, the organizer in Denmark, indeed is a great warm- & kind- hearted person and that she has no intent to mislead anyone. If you look at the seminar announce- ment it does not tell anything about seminar payments upfront or whatever. This will only happen if things are being settled for sure. So nobody is being ripped of here and there is no reason to amazingly feel terrible if it all won't happen. I nevertheless assume there is the idea to inform and make interested as many people as possible in order to indeed make it all happen. Regarding David & organization. I have heard a little joke from an older student of David only recently. It was similar to: "You know. We know of Germans to be good and straight and effective organizers, and we know of Italians to be great lovers. David for sure is an Italian with regard to that." I am sure that the upcoming years will tell us a lot without us having to bite on our tongues talking much about it. enjoy a great day Harry

Very much looking forward to it

Dear Mantis, you have been off all along the way... Dear Lin, if yours is the laugh of a Buddha... Harry

Isn't it obvious that those who laugh tend to have something on their plates as well??? Whatever the outcome will be (and the way it gets discussed is not more or less disgusting than what you claim is!): 1. no deposits payed so far, especially as the details so far are not available 2. Sean has quite some time more or less taken himself out of the public part to concentrate on himself 3. Mr. Smith. Don't think you are in a position to demand anything at all (note: that "someone" was me) peace Harry

Quite sure of that... and I just thought I save you girls and guys some energy for the next round (rolling eyes smilie): IF indeed the seminar is going to happen, and I personally have no reason to believe it won't: THEN we have a MAJOR question on our plate: Who is that Viktor? & Is this the REAL Master Wang Liping? BIG BRIGHT SMILIE here (can't post them right now...) Harry

Why do you all marter your brains? Why not just wait for the event to happen or not?

(note: should I have already posted a similar question... or should you know this question from another forum -copy & paste -... hope you don't mind...) Hi you knowledgable girls and guys, I am looking for some help here, as my concept of the world got shaken a little recently. So I was working at this Psychosomatic Clinic one the doctor side... but they have like Tuina practitioners, craniosacral practitioners etc. etc. etc. Now. There was this one girl I really feared for. Man: she went through a proces... During one of the cranio-appointments something like pictures came up... it went back to Middle Ages... Now: What you got to know is that 2 of the cranio-therapists "claim" to be angels in human bodies... and they found this girl to be an angel as well... lost in confusion after having been through a lot of brutal hardship (being burned by the church etc. etc. etc.). For some reason she seems to have forgotten to be an angel... and for some reason in their human form the two cranios couldn't immediately see it... A little stop here: you probably think now: Come on Harry. You really believe in that stuff? To be honest: In a way I do, as it is too far out, but in no way Pseudoesoterically presented... So. By any chance. Do you Taoist knowledgable women and men know something about angels... and if so: the concept of angels in Taoism, if there is any. What are they, why are they, what is their place in the universe? I would appreciate your insights very much sending smiles Harry

Dear "rain": I don't understand... Hi Patrick: Is this your modern belief and understanding or based on any classical scriptures? by the way: that angel is in a beautiful female body. No intersex involved...! Harry So Angels are awakened ones in another dimension that need to be enlightened by the Buddhas that are in a higher plane? What are angels doing on Earth? thank you for sharing your insights Harry

I enjoyed that statement of a German singer. It was similar to: "reality is an illusion that only happens when you have drunk too little" Udo Lindenberg

Hi guys, wrote little in my blog about it. If you look at the date it is quite a long long time ago I had my first trials. I stopped using it as I did not have a room available that helped filter out all disturbant waveforms in the air. I fortunately realized that my Laptop was picking up radiofrequencies (I had ear plugs plugged in and could listen to a radio station)... this made me aware that the coils would receive "foreign" information as well and this was a little awkward to know. so I never really came to enjoy it maybe one day Harry

Ya know. I found that there is one statement that can be used for one to be at ease: "The will of heaven" I have learned to live fine with that. If it is the will of heaven I will find my way, if it is not then I won't... so I won't go for the training this year because I just quit my job and have to create a new one and some other issues... and if I never find my way to get there it will have reasons beyond my comprehension... and no. The money for the seminars sure is not charged to filter the worthy from the unworthy, but I can tell you one thing for sure: Those who are truly dedicated work towards it... those who are not stop at one point... Harry

A happy Hi, I assume this is not going to be the nice thread you'd like it to be... except those who have been fighting over it stay in the background or simply point you to the specific threads... sorry to say. There is not really that much need to become a forum member... and the charge is there to keep the just curious out... at least this is the way I understand it. It has become more a place for students for exchange. It helps to focus on the matters at hand... having people in there who where just in for a challenge produced unnecessary quarrels. Not that challenges are bad in any way. It was just that it was not the intent of the forum for people to challenge David. More a place to learn from him... If you want to stay informed on future seminars and other stuff: http://www.zhengzongdadao.com/ there is meant to be more information available in the future on this side... so hopefully a lot of what you are looking for will be up sooner or later... with Harry lets say that there are at least some who have their fair share of doubts... otherwise it would hardly be believable... and it is true to certain extent...

As it turns out I just can't find the time to read all the messages being written over the last few weeks. Still: It fascinates me that some of you enter into the discussion of "right and wrong" in spirituality. "Is this practice better than the other", "does this practice lead you further than the other" etc... often from places of seemingly full authority. If anyone of you feels an authority on the following I am curious to know: When entering the "void"... How do "you" FOR SURE know that it indeed is the void and not an illusionary one? very much looking forward to the answers Harry

and when continuing to read some of the other threads it continues that "masters" continue to tell the other "masters" how wrong they are I love them I get what you mean, but then isn't our search in vain??? I mean: if we start with the idea of jumping from one illusion to the next there seems to be about no hope of getting out of it... !?! My question in all this would be: how can it be possible to keep the subjective as obejective as possible? Yep. For the time being talk is not worth a penny as I still work on laying the foundation for the foundation. By the way: I am already there with SZG, but am far from what is meant to achieve Yep. Those like us who doubt the air we breathe have quite some trouble, BUT: there are too many who claim to feel it and how much do they feel? If each illusion we walk through seems like it being IT we might run and run and run through the illusions aimlessly... At the end of the day I just have started wondering why so many of us claim to know thaaaaaaaaaaat much more than the others... and they continue to argue and argue. And they claim to KNOW, to TRULY KNOW. Is that pure inability to see their own limitations, do each of them actually are right, as there is no wrong, or... I have stopped hurrying either... life tends to give the timeline... Smiles back sweet kitty. Life is quite busy. Started that clinic-job... but for several reasons said good-bye recently. Only two more monthes to go... then hopefully a good beginning with a private practice. Talking about my practice is of not much necessity at the moment. I am struggling with time constraints... Indeed I do If you say it likes this... yes. I think it is like this. Exactly what I am talking about. As you say: if you worship something fervently enough, for long enough, it becomes holy. Isn't that what most of us do? Harry Enjoying your subjective opinion... but if there is nothing objective how can there be something subjective? Harry